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I thought it may have been discussed on here before, even though I know the inner workings I’m not sure it’s my place to put it all out there. The short that I feel everyone around knows (with out the 2 years of major details) he questioned the excel / nc thing publicly - Morehouse threatened to kick his kids out of the program - PPE didn’t like that he was doing “free” skills across the street to help kids - he voiced his opinion on lesser players (2003) getting showcased (it’s pretty obvious now he was correct) - Morehouse banned him from the rink so he went to the away games ?There is a lot, in the end, he came out on top - not just his own son but others he believed in. especially an 02 PPE kicked out that is on a path to play for PSU. I could list 10 players from 02-03 birth year that he was directly involved with that are all playing real junior hockey in the ushl, ohl etc. all these kids are on a track to major ncaa d1 programs or pro. PPE used some of these kids to get a national championship for a certain group of 2003’s playing up at U16 and tossed the others because the families wouldn’t pay (or couldn’t afford) the ransom. I’m sure In another 2-3 years these kids will be on the upmc rinks wall but PPE had nothing to do with their success. Someone else did, Marc.

Is there actually an election for PAHL??? I've had children in hockey for 10+ years here and literally never seen a ballot or communication directly from PAHL.

Believe me I have asked. Many of these BY teams don’t want to compete in a AA division where most of the teams they play are a year older and bigger. So their options are to play in an “A” division or go independent. They feel that if they play A major in PAHL they’ll lose credibility and won’t be able to grab up second team Pens kids when they go down to one team or other borderline Vengeance or Esmark players. And I do think three 2010 BY teams going this route does significantly impact PAHL AA hockey. More and more teams are going to start doing this when they hit their first year of 12U hockey. It’s going to be increasingly common and these teams aren’t coming back to PAHL.

Au revoir; we bid thee farewell; godspeed; good-luck. It's happened before and will surely happen again so long as there are smoke blowing coaches to drive the demand. There are hundreds of teams in PAHL and changing alignment because 2-3 minor BY teams left is tantamount to the tail trying to wag the dog. A final parting thought, we'll see your independent kids back in various Pittsburgh beer league in just a few years.

"A local trend of wannabe PPE's?" You can't be serious. And to equate AA BY teams to anything related to PPE is absolutely absurd. Sorry, but it is.

That looks EXACTLY the way a division should look.

I am serious! The impetus for being birth year is to be compared to birth year teams in Tier I. What you have here is a local trend of wanna-be-PPEs.

You can't be serious that you don't think it's a national trend. And you can't just tell by looking at MHR listings. Way more BY teams than are listed. Some teams don't update their names, and minor BY teams have to submit verified rosters and some other hoops.

BY is not a national trend. It is only here because some dads see it in tier I, think that their kid belongs in AAA, and think they can build an AAA contender around their kid.

he teamed up with another couple dads who went icemen, shaha, Preds, then vengeance. somethings never change

Seems like they should beat all the PAHL 09/AA teams before trying AAA? This year the size difference shouldn't exist.

One of my boys just pointed out to me “dad you know the parent he’s talking about” I do ? after a small conversion I do! I guess he’s not calling games anymore ? Looks like things haven’t changed much, this is his second run with vengeance. My son just told me in the past three years one of his kids went vengeance-Lebo-predators now back to the vengeance.

not all organizations let full teams join their association, but there are some that are known to let coachs/dads bring in a almost full team. I think people on here probably know which ones do and which ones dont the problem that poses is some of those pahl teams who want to be independent or AA/a teams get mad when organization won't let them, so they jump to these other organizations that will let them. also, if you ever look at schedules, the independent and AA/a teams rarely play any PAHL teams. they are afraid of losing. they have no problem driving to Columbus or buffalo and going 0-3 over the weekend with a 4-30 goal differential as long as it isn't a PAHL team.