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  1. https://twitter.com/AAHAGlenn/status/1609970697224306689/photo/1
  2. https://twitter.com/AAHAGlenn/status/1609970697224306689/photo/1 Vengeance, Esmark, Blackbear, the Armstrong Arrows….. I don’t care. No excuse for the above. Time for someone else to step up and try their hand with the majority of locals.
  3. What’s the point of a public discussion forum if we are going to subjugate the topics? Maybe parents read the thread about why refs are quitting and they get some honest perspective from people who were in the trenches so to speak. Maybe some of those people look at their own behaviors in the rink and reconsider.
  4. Your replies here are largely directed at me. You are one of the people extenuating this conversation. I haven’t posted in this topic for like 4 months? Nor was I the one who bumped it to the top again with fresh posts….the receipts are all there….. Hardly blind rage, I think my posts are articulate and concise. Your inability to process how someone could have an argument against something you view favorably isn’t my problem. For the sake of this degrading any further. I’m going to continue to have a discussion. Let’s avoid each other then, yes? We don’t seem to agree and it’s probably for the best. When I make a post, don’t come out of the wood work. Best of luck to you.
  5. Do they even have the ability to? Does Esmark? Everyone and their mother is in Cranberry for the most part. Not to say there isn’t talented kids at all programs but let’s call a spade a spade into who has what to work with. You make a lot of great points and it’s good advice. I don’t agree with having to find that one coach, or one off solution. Which is what most people do. Yes it’s a better outlet than dealing with the other crap. I just think it’s well past time that a legit option outside of Cranberry ramp up. I named a few Vengeance coaches, who you can’t dispute the pedigree of, and I pointed out their location and facilities. Common sense says this would be a starting point. Not personal bias towards the Vengeance. I’d be pumping up Esmark’s bantam and midget dealings too if they had a better location. That rink being where it is can be a deterrence. Vengeance and Esmark is where the kids who leave generally go to. Who else is in the mix for those kids? I suggested way back that people at ALL of the clubs around town are sitting around watching Cranberry do what they do, pissing and moaning about it then doing nothing about it. And that there needs to be a meeting of minds, the facility to handle it and probably a rebrand.
  6. Yes. There’s many facets to this and they operate on a case by case bases that best suits their needs. I believe there was an 08 goalie situation where they had two very good goalies. One left (you don’t say) for a prep school because they just wanted to leave altogether . The other was going to leave because they didn’t want to do the academy . So the one goalie was allowed to not participate and probably still operate within the program like a normal kid. That would have been disastrous if both kids left. I’ve heard stories of kids electing not to do it, and they didn’t have a recruit lined up, then that kid basically gets treated like a third rate citizen both on and off the ice. Being made to get dressed in locker rooms by themselves. You can’t make this crap up. Then they will spend that season recruiting your replacement, who will buy in to the program fully. That mid am link really pissed some of you off. This thread is 6 months old. Now all of the sudden it’s a problem lol
  7. Hardly the time of year for spurned parents. Nor am I associated with any specific programs. I do know too much though, clearly… for some of your liking. Last time I checked this is a discussion forum. Just lamenting the same talking points and concerns that most people have in private. And I’m replying to others on the topic. You and the two people who liked your post, with accounts that are barely used, can check out another thread and ignore this discussion? Or are the things being brought up hurting you emotionally, maybe hitting close to home? I don’t know. And if not, is the crap going on in Cranberry not worth having a discussion about? You seem to have healthy opinions on other clubs so I’m guessing no? You were borderline pitching a tent over the Predators a few pages back. Start a Preds thread. Not all of us want to dig into discussion about some local high school players and parents fight. Feel free to avoid the thread, my friend.
  8. I’ve largely left my personal opinion out of my posts if I don’t have some kind of resource to back it up. But I’ll tell you right now having your kid on the ice 3-4 hours a day, working out 2 hours a day, 3 days a week__ being involved in this program from 8am until 8-9pm a night …. and then an hour and 20 ice time and an hour work out for the 4th day a week (non practice night) is not healthy. Add trying to keep up with a private education in between all of that. The tagline is that it’s preparing them for junior and college hockey. No junior or college hockey team, or pro team including anything and everything leading up to the NHL or European leagues__ does anything close to 3 hours on the ice, 2 hours working out, then adding in trying to keep up with school between all that. There are 6 days a month where they don’t have a hockey obligation, talk to any sports therapist or hell, a therapist in general, a pediatrician anyone with qualifications and ask them if they think that’s healthy for a teenagers mental or physical well being. 6 days a month to be a normal kid, have variety, spend time with family, and even then you’re probably trying to get school work done on those days. It’s a way to fill up ice slots at the rink, bring in funding to the rink and justify some inflated salaries. It’s truly disgusting because they’re doing it knowing it’s way overboard and no in kids best interest. Then add in the financial part of it for the parents. It’s borderline criminal to have people thinking this is normal. It’s not and most other hockey programs around the country, most of which having reputable results for helping kids into junior, college and pro hockey aren’t doing this crap. Then you take into consideration this https://twitter.com/AAHAGlenn/status/1609970697224306689/photo/1 and not only does it make you question if all that is worth it, it also begs the question of less is more, and other areas with programs who aren’t demanding all that are having better results as a result. Kids having more balanced lifestyles.
  9. They sell the dream harder than anyone. however: https://twitter.com/AAHAGlenn/status/1609970697224306689/photo/1
  10. I haven’t brought the phrase individual success into it until someone brought it up. There’s many different versions of success in youth hockey. Sometimes it’s a young kid grinding it out to make a team, and learn a life long lesson. I never said if you don’ make juniors, or D1, that you are a failure. I’m simply saying that the hockey program you work for is largely a failure. Not the kids. You don’t have nearly the amount of kids making the jump and it shows in every single metric that’s available. Other Tier 1 organizations absolutely have their problems, politics, scheming etc. Cranberry has all of that on steroids, and perform horribly to boot. It’s one thing to go to a place like, ohhh let’s say Honeybaked, and deal with the politics. But you can’t argue their long term results either. They move kids along. Up until the name change this last season. You can make an argument that 50% of squirts won’t be D1 athletes in a given group. For sure. Who said the team stays the same, it’s a focus locals and maybe other kids come into the picture later on. The 06 team in Cranberry lost a few to the Pittsburgh kids playing on Cleveland last year, they’re currently getting beat consecutively by a group of Pittsburgh kids from Shaha. Last years 06 pens team What? 2 Pittsburgh players. This year has 1. Why is there literally a mural on the wall about the path to pro hockey with pictures of a mite , to squirt, etc all the way to Sidney Crosby. All kids in their jerseys until the junior and college hockey player then Crosby. Don’t tell me the dream isn’t being sold there, or that the customers don’t have intent on following that path.
  11. Outside of player advancement pages that are grasping for straws… this is the most damning evidence against Cranberry. There’s no disputing this and there’s really no excuse for it. https://twitter.com/AAHAGlenn/status/1609970697224306689/photo/1 *specifically the first section or photo in upper left hand corner. Then research who the largest (by far) program is in the Midam district, with the most amount of kids that play hockey.
  12. 1.Why don’t you take a look around at other programs nationwide and see what they do in terms of moving kids on, to both juniors and college. Some for a fraction of the cost. 2.Moving up the ladder is difficult sure. Seems like most other programs of equal and lesser size have a much better idea of how to equip kids for that challenge. 3.More than 17 in 11 years, that you can definitively say you had a significant hand in. That number becoming more convoluted when you take into consideration it includes employees kids, goalies, and 3 members of one family from West Mifflin. 4.I never really said anything about the pro’s other the posters on the wall are all hornets products and pointing out their success with pros. My argument is based on the D1 commitments. If you are struggling with where this thread is going then surely you would struggle with why people would be paying upwards of 30k a season for their children to play ice hockey ‘for fun’ or ‘for recreation’. I’m struggling to understand how you even made that statement in earnest. If you did. Strip back the layers until you find transparency into the core of players and families intentions for playing (and paying) in Cranberry and you will find every single one of them has intentions of moving on to junior and or college hockey. But you already knew that. They certainly use that as bar for success as they have a player advancement page and just about every other tweet is trying to attach their name to someone who’s moved out of their program. Albeit mostly girls hockey alumni. What they charge people, the time commitment required, 14-18 year olds spending their entire day in Cranberry between school then straight to the rink until 8-9 at night is not worth it based on their results. The cost of the academy, the season cost, the travel cost, even down to needing the kid to eat dinner at the rink every night. Doesn’t take a mathematician to see what a losing proposition all of that is. Like I said, way back in August. There’s teams in eastern PA playing in a 40 year old rink with leaking roof__ where kids are on the ice 3 nights a week (only) and they outperform Cranberry in player progression. I mean what more do kids in Cranberry need to do___ get hyperbaric chambers at home to sleep in? There is undoubtedly a lot of talent there. Year over year, a ton of talented kids. More so than what some other areas have to choose from. Why are the player advancement metrics so skewed in the opposite direction of the other areas that don’t have that talent pool though? That’s the point.
  13. Another name worth adding to the mix is Matt Herr who was out due to his desired focus on the locals. Or the current 06 on the NTDP team who left early.
  14. With all due respect, can we make a Preds thread if necessary?
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