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That A game was ugly. WCE was just superior.

The AA game - fantastic! Thankfully it ended on a nice clean goal. Would love to know what the Pennridge goalie said to the ref (during play) to get the US penalty.

The AAA game - well the delay in starting allowed the collection of parents to imbibe for another hour.  There was a decent size group of Malvern parents that were LOADED before the start of the game. The PT group seemed a bit better. They only had 2 dads who were yelling like crazy though only one of them seemed drunk.

Good tight game. PT seemed to be deeper. Malvern's top guys were gassed in the third but they stayed on the ice.

WC and Malvern are very strong teams.

Ice at Iceline sucks. Was soft last night with the packed house.

Lines are somewhat visible.

On 11/17/2021 at 10:06 AM, Pa Hockey said:

Pegula did not work 

I was there for one of the  years. Thought it was pretty cool but it was the same as having it in one of the NHL arenas. No atmosphere.

Iceline or Iceworks on the east side hold enough for the interest that is there for the state finals.

7 minutes ago, Saucey said:

So...two things. Responsibility for action needs to be clear, whatever that course of action is, well communicated to clubs and parents, consistent across rinks, and enforced. Everyone needs to know what to do to respond. We don't want parents to have to start yelling at each other or kids during games, because we don't want to have fights break out. We don't want vrefs and coaches to have to stop. (But maybe sometimes, we do and we want them to know they have to.)

According to USA hockey who sanctions this game it is on the Referees and the coaches.

This is form the Zero Tolerance Policy in the USA Hockey Rulebook

Parents/Spectators

Parents are expected to be a positive role model by treating all players, coaches, officials and fellow spectators with respect and support.

The game will be stopped by game officials when parents/ spectators displaying inappropriate and disruptive behavior interfere with other spectators or the game. The game officials will identify violators to the coaches for the purpose of removing parents/spectators from the spectator’s viewing and game area. Once removed, play will resume. Lost time will not be replaced and violators may be subject to further disciplinary action by the local governing body.

This inappropriate and disruptive behavior shall include:

1)Use of obscene, profane or abusive language to anyone at any time.2)Taunting of players, coaches, officials or other spectators by means of baiting, ridiculing, threat of physical violence or physical violence.3)Throwing of any object in the spectators viewing area, players bench, penalty box or on ice surface, directed in any manner as to create a safety hazard.

USA Hockey strongly recommends that each local youth hockey registered team designate a volunteer to serve as a parent/spectator monitor during all team games. This monitor will, ideally, address inappropriate spectator behavior prior to the situation escalating to the point it has an impact on the game. This designated monitor shall have the full support of the youth hockey association and the arena management to remove any spectator in violation of the Zero Tolerance Policy

It's big time now. It's on Reddit

https://old.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/qm4sxh/high_school_students_chant_shes_a_whore_and_suck/

As a referee who has worked HS hockey in all different rinks there is no way in hell the refs didn't hear it. Not a freaking chance.

They chose not to do anything and they chose poorly.

They should be disciplined.

I'm having trouble seeing the videos.

If you would like to email them to hockeybehavior@gmail.com I will put them on youtube

So which side of the Commonwealth will States be this year. 

Was supposed to be East last year - but obviously didn't happen.

Google search shows their name in the schools hazing report a couple of times

Good to see. There has been almost no HS hockey talk here recently

One minor thing to note is that the Flyers Cup schedule has changed so they play their championships the same week as states.

Traditionally they have always come in with a 9-11 day break before the state games.

Soooo... none of this fun stuff happened this year?

20 hours ago, dazedandconfused said:

Take a 2 man system for the example since it is by far the most common. Ref 1 and Ref 2 each get paid X for their time and effort. The customer, in this case let's use PIHL since they cover all of those games, and in turn the player families are charged Y for Ref 1 and Ref 2. You can rest assured that Y = X + $15-$30 (per game/per ref). So for each game that they schedule referees to show up, they are taking $30-$60 for themselves.

That, Ref33, is a surcharge.

Sorry, but is the league (PIHL) or the referee association (PIHO) taking the surcharge? If it's the PIHO taking the surcharge as the assignor then that would be normal. Though $15/per official is above the norm for high school that I'm aware of. Maybe $15 per game. Assignors fees are normal. It's a hell of a job.

If the league is taking the surcharge then I don't know why that is.

On 2/10/2020 at 4:05 PM, dazedandconfused said:

Their "surcharges" per game are out of control.

What are the "surcharges?"

NOTE: THIS VIDEO IS SUPER CHOPPY-- SOMETHING MIGHT BE WRONG WITH THE ORIGINAL FILE.  IT IS NOT EASY TO WATCH DUE TO THE STUTTERING.

I would recommend someone upload a better quality LB cap with no stuttering.

Here is the USA Hockey Parent's Code of Conduct...

Parent's Code of Conduct

and last year I believe it turned into a circus for a couple games at Aston

On 9/18/2019 at 8:46 PM, Scooby Doo said:

1st story from ~3 years ago.  @ New Kensington

Home game for our team.  Our team was winning (I believe 3-2).  During the final few seconds the puck is in our zone.  Horn blows.  Other team scores (literally) about 3 seconds after the horn. 

Ref adamantly waves "GOAL"!!  So the visiting team ties us on a goal scored AFTER the final horn.   

I am working the scoresheet and sitting at center ice in the box and I could clearly see the puck wasn't in when the horn blew - from 90 feet away!

 

2nd Story from ~5-6 years ago also @ New Kensington

hey skate to the center ice at the scorers box and watch the melee ensue.  I won't name names but these were two of the most very senior refs at New Ken at the time.

So our parents are yelling at the refs to go break up the fight (refs are standing around).  Instead of the ref's breaking up the fight one of them skates over to the HOME fans and has words with one of the female parents (while the fight is going on).  The mom is yelling at him to go break up the fight.  Ref says something like "don't tell me how to do my job!"  Parents yell back "Go stop the fight so that nobody gets hurt you dumbass!"

 

So for the first story - technically the referee is correct. Under USA Hockey if the scoreboard is equipped with a horn then that is what ends the game. Unless there is an OBVIOUS delay from the clock hitting zero and the horn sounding. You make it sound like it was obvious so they could have stopped it. We have a rink near me where it is obvious - everyone knows it and we react accordingly. 

The second story is just shit officiating. The correct procedure in that instance is go in as a team and break up two combatants. Take them off the ice and go back for two more. All the while watching everything else that is going on. It's not easy - believe me. And until you've been in the middle of it - you have no idea.

Thank you so much for the welcome back! 

It's great to serve such an appreciative audience. 

Not from your side of the state but there's a combo of merit, old buddy, politics, availability, teams, locations that go into assignments. 

Not an easy thing to tackle.

How is it double the set of egos? Still two referees. Just adding linesman to the mix. The four man system provides two things specifically. The linesman are at the lines to make sure they have the best view and the refs will be at the goal to make sure they have the best view.

Still two referees so the penalty calls should be similar.

17 hours ago, Wampa1 said:

You came to a message board to complain about how a midget hockey game was officiated. You don’t deserve respect. You deserve to be embarrassed and ridiculed. Don’t start a conversation you’re too weak to be involved in sweetie. I’d tell you to give your husband my condolences but my guess is he’s right over your shoulder telling you every ridiculous word to write. 

Pipe down with your stupid sexist crap. A bad sports parent is a bad sports parent, male or female.

48 minutes ago, dazedandconfused said:

The only call in question was the one with 2 seconds left in the first period and the only reason it's in question is because it's out of the camera's shot. 

Not true. The play is clear as day on LB.  It was a hit/non hit by the Vipers. I can pull it later. Was it a penalty? From the ref's (who called it) angle it looked like a penalty. From the other refs angle it wasn't. Regardless the coaches reaction to that call had nothing to do with protecting his players.

28 minutes ago, dazedandconfused said:

At the first whistle in front of the Blazer's goalie there was an altercation. However, your assessment that the refs were out to get your team and did nothing is a completely wrong. They assessed a player from your team a minor and either the player from the Blazers a double minor or two Blazer players each a minor. YOUR team had a power play 38 seconds in. The refs made calls on the very first net front stoppage of play. I would say THAT in itself is trying to let ALL the players know that they weren't going to let things get started. 

And if the refs called 5 + GM for fighting after mom drove 6 hours to get there and Little Johnny is now done for the 1st two games of this tournament then she would have been complaining about that.

14 minutes ago, Stripes19 said:

but i think its the refs job to control the game.

Control starts at home. You listen to the voices from the stands during these games and it's pretty apparent that isn't happening. My favorite was the dad arguing with the rink staff that is was his 1st amendment right to yell at the refs. Yep. That's what he said.

Then we move on to the coach. His behavior during the first period of the game shows that he ins't really worried about control either.

Yes lastly the refs have some work to do. But when it appears the first two groups aren't doing the job its going to be pretty difficult for the refs.

48 minutes ago, AMR24 said:

This game and how the whole thing was handled was a disgrace. You laugh and say coach throws a hissy but you missed everything that lead up to that point. Yeah, he may have thrown a "hissy" but he was standing up for his kid's.

So some calls went against his team in the first period? 

That would make this behavior ok?