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On 10/7/2021 at 1:11 PM, Pa Hockey said:

     The 25th Annual Pa Hockey Scholastic Showcase will be played on December 26-28, 2021 at Alpha Ice Complex in Harmarville. We now have Ice to run the Tournament over three days over 3 Rinks (a game on Sunday the 26th and 2 Games on Monday the 27th and Championship Round on Tuesday the 28th). The goal is to play 3 schools you normally do not play and have great competition with 16 Schools.  We have a great field at the Varsity Level with 15 Schools committed (1 Maryland + 1 New York + 3 Ohio + 3 Western Pa AAA + 6 Western Pa AA + 1 Western Pa B). 

 

        If your school is interested in claiming the FINAL Spot, please contact Jeff Mauro ASAP. 

We are looking for 1 Class AAA or very good Class A or Out of Town (NY MD, Ohio or Eastern Pa) 

 

Are you guys doing a Middle School Scholastic tournament again like a few years ago?

Bantam?

9 hours ago, RJUSHL said:

Interesting. But they didn't win the division in the playoffs?

That 2010 AA Aviators team is coached by a coach that coached 10U AA at NP last year. He left and took most of the players from that team to the Aviators.

TEAMS 2122_Divisions_9.21.21.pdf

4 minutes ago, BeaverFalls said:

The diligence this team took is what it takes to be moved. Whining, using one game score etc won’t cause a team to be moved. 

You are correct. We had to book ice out of town and ask parents to pay ice rental money to get games in otherwise we would have been A minor gold and undefeated. The kids obviously matured and learned more in the correct division

17 minutes ago, RJUSHL said:

Wow. Would you mind sharing some particulars? That’s a pretty drastic change. How did it work out in the end?

Sure. Keep in mind last year was an odd year due to Covid. So they skipped placement games.

we were listed as A minor gold. Our coach looked at our roster and where kids were prior year and thought PAHL was way off.

Our team loaded a ton of scrimmages against PAHl teams one to 2 divisions above us. Because PA was closed we bought ice in Ohio.

Our team outshot and out scored opponents. In the end the team moved up to A Major white. Scoresheets and evals were sent to PAHl for consideration

They played a little over 50 games between tournaments and PAHL. In PAHL they finished around the .500 mark. Games were very competitive and didnt have any blowouts.

14 minutes ago, Lucky17 said:

What age group?

12U

1 hour ago, Corsi said:

Does anyone know the last time a team successfully appealed and was moved up a division?  Also, is there any history with teams appealing to move down?

My childs team moved up 2 divisions last year due to appeals

1 hour ago, champeen said:

i live in TX, so it's possible things are dfferent there, but i have put together a couple of "tournament" teams in the past and it does require that one of your local orgs be willing to "roster" your team through USA Hockey.   a couple of times, i was able to convince them to do it, and on more than one other occasion, they refused, because they wanted to be the ones to offer a tournament team to the same parent demographic and charge them for practices and whatnot.  But, without being rostered through a recognized org, i think you would be SOL.

Thanks for the feedback!

1 hour ago, Jack Handey said:

Yeah it's possible if you can find an organization to roster the team.  The trouble with tournament teams is carryover discipline.  Say your tournament has run it's course, but one kid gets a game misconduct and owes one game suspension.  Who will he serve it with?  It's messy stuff like that that keep organizations from rostering temporary teams.  Probably better off just taking a rest while the rest of your in-season team is slow.  

Thanks. That is sound advice and something I never thought of

Hey guys. Is it possible in the area to assemble a group of kids and enter any ice hockey tournaments?  Everything typically talks about having to play with your sanctioned USA hockey roster.

Looking for any tips. Would be great to get some kids together over the holidays while our team is slow and play some games.

Any help is appreciated.

I'm not for shutdowns and hate the mask. But I do it and follow the rules. But I was at Baierl recently and the parking lot was jammed packed. Everyone had on masks but people should follow the request of the rink management to not congregate indoors and stuff like that. I want to watch my kid practice, but management asked unless you really need to be there then please wait outside. It's like once the Gov changed capacities, folks in the area went ballistic with a feeling of freedom. Like it or not, and hoax not hoax, whatever your belief, we still are being told to be cautious. Seems like some took the new limits as a green light. I wonder what is going on at other rinks.

Your hockey family becomes your covid family. That's not a joke. But when you all are huddling and socializing all weekend, the whole hockey team and family are "in it" together. All have to work together to keep everyone safe and follow whatever rules the rink and hotel request.

I've talked to some folks in organizations that are afraid to go out of town with Covid. Not from a health standpoint but from a game play, spectator, and overall process standpoint.

Wanted to provide our experience. We went to Cleveland OH for the Rock n Roll cup.  There was some up front paperwork like waivers for everyone in attendance. Not just players. I can tell you we had all parents and siblings also fill these out and when handed to the tournament folks they didn't even look at them.

We also filled out a table with each players name and address. In most instances we were only allowed 2 spectators. We had to list each spectator next to the player name. We showed the table at the one rink and they said don't worry about it, only the Gilmour rink will need it for temperature checks. On game day at Gilmour there was a long line to get it. They had our kids signing in. We cut to the front of the line to show them the table so they could temp check and check each player and spectator name off. Little disconnect with the arena personnel and tournament folks. Luckily we identified the problem and provided the table they original requested at sign ups.

Of course masks at all arenas. Kids had to get dressed outside as much as possible. And players could enter locker rooms 15 min before the game. Families entered 5 mins before the game.  Gilmour had a requirement to wear masks even when in the parking lot tailgating/getting dressed.

Other than the above the games were played normally. No hand shakes after the game. No congregating. Just head outside and follow the arrows in the rinks.

Was nice to get out of PA and have a normal tournament feel.

2 hours ago, Lifelongbender said:

Scheduling starts this weekend for most teams. They're doing it remotely - by email, they say - so it's not clear how well it will go.

It's going to be horrible I feel. Some organizations are just not quick to email back.

2 hours ago, forbin said:

I'm assuming the rink owners will talk to their lawyers and get everything sorted out today. I would anticipate almost all of the rinks being able to operate as "normal" moving forward. PIHL and PAHL need to have a meeting ASAP and get the new guidelines set. 

As long as everyone follows the protocols put in place, the rules at the rink, and stays home if they are feeling sick, I don't see why we cant have a successful season.

Anyone know off hand the capacity limits for some local rinks? 

Dunno if this helps. Baierl says 1,000 per ice sheet

https://www.sportsinpa.com/venues/family-first-sports-park?rid=All&cid[]=All&vid[]=178#:~:text=Baierl Ice Complex features two,over 1000 seats per rink.

LET'S GO!!!

It is interesting that a lot of folks have been preaching this approach to the "Data" for quite some time. Use the fire code limits and assign a % capacity based on building size. The 25 limit for every scenario was never scientific. But I'm just rehashing...

1 minute ago, forbin said:

Finally! Let's get this show on the road....safely!

 

AMEN

Ok where is this jag off?  Or was the 10 am fake news?  I didn't see an official announcement from Wolf's office. Simply was on a few new stations.

2 minutes ago, champeen said:

I don't believe that factor in prior year at all.  At team has to have at least 5 games logged in order to be ranked, but obviously the accuracy of the rankings increases considerably as more games are played.   A couple things to note:  

A team with an 88.00 rating might be a 91.00 with their starting goalie and a 85.00 with their backup goalie, but it is not tracked that granularly.  It's a huge factor.

Also- While leagues are shown to have separate rankings, all leagues under a given age group can be cross-reference by numerical rating.  For instance: 18U Tier I, Tier II, New England Prep, USA Independent Prep, Canada Midget AA, Canada Midget AAA, Minnesota HS, etc..... are all actually part of the same database.   A New England Prep team with a 96.00 rating should be equal to a 18U Tier I team with a 96.00 rating, even though they are listed in separate "Rankings"

 

 

 

All good points

9 minutes ago, hockeyisgreat said:

Thanks, that did a great job of explaining it. Do they take into account last years rankings at all in determining a starting point for this year?  How many games do you need for an initial ranking?  This is all very interesting to this rookie!

I believe the new year starts all over. If I remember correctly, and I could be wrong, they have to play at least 5-7 games. I thought I remember reading that on the site. That is the sample size to begin the process. Last year before any teams had played the 7 games we did. So we were ranked in like the top 25 of the state. That obviously didn't last long as more teams played the games needed to number crunch.

Like any else it has the possibility to be incorrect. But I feel a lot can go in to that. Did the other team play poorly and have a bad game? Also tends to be an issue when a PA team say travels to NY. They view levels of play differently A Major vs A2 for example.  

That being said it can be pretty darn close and is the only system out there for gauging matchups and making sure when scheduling tournaments or scrimmages your team is competitive. 

Prayers for HOCKEY. Cmon guys fingers crossed. 

Wolf said last week he was looking to increase capacities. Has anyone hear anything on that? If I remember his presser was Thursday and they were talking about HS football on Friday. He said something like "soon."