HockeyDad23

And it's all because of an arbitrary 25 person rule. SMH

Games will be played 5 on 5 for PAHL based on the vote Sept 21st. Two 18 minute halfs. 9 skaters, 1 goalie, 1 coach, 2 refs, 1 emt. There is no 4 on 4.

I'm having a little faith that the governor realizes all the extra efforts that some officials and parents have to through for the kids and will realize it is important to us. Hopefully leaning to increase the limits ever so slightly. Anything is better than 25 for hockey. Not ideal but I'll sacrifice watching live so they can play with coaches, refs, and full rosters.

It has to be the staff bringing it in. I have heard stories that families can still not enter to visit. Sad situation.

Maybe our government should target the hundreds of thousands of deaths at the shitty and run down nursing homes and leave restaurant owners and kids hockey alone. 70% of the deaths in PA are at long term care facilities. Sometimes it seems a dumb guy spouts off "masks during hockey" and everyone is like yeah great idea. Let's do it. That will slow the spread even more.

Thanks for sharing. Very Sad. I'm hopeful the governor gives a little this time. And might rush it due to Football games tomorrow.

Ok thanks. That just happened on September 29th. So they just started the change 2 days ago. They missed so much time by waiting. All teams I talked to that played there said they shuffled half the kids out of the locker room at a time. https://www.rmuislandsports.com/

RMU is still enforcing it. But my guess is they fear consequences of the governors wrath being affiliated with the univesity.

I am not a fan of Wolf and consider him very vindictive. But based on his interview and language used by the minority leader in PA, I think he may have a heart a bump things up a bit. After all he did open restaurants up to 50%. Giving the house bills that almost went through, the out cry from parents, maybe Wolf will have a heart. The efforts taken by parents and the republicans and some dems on house bill 2787 has to show Wolf that sports means a lot to his constituents. Dermody eluded to maybe a % capacity like OH. The press asked about football games tomorrow and Wolf said "we're working on it." So probably will release guidance in the next 12 hours I would hope.

Back to jail everyone https://www.wtae.com/article/appeals-court-allows-pennsylvania-to-restrict-crowd-size/34238554

That is what I have seen as well. Heard NY teams traveling to OH to play. I know some PA teams have been to OH. Haven't heard anything on MI or how it is to play with a mask on.

How is everyone doing with scheduling of tournaments? Is New York open yet?

I find it fascinating that while being challenged by the judge that the non essential vs essential and how they arrived that their 25/250 limits, Wolf staff is not drafting a rebuttal, argument, or case study as to how they arrived at these decisions. Today was a opportunity to do that and yet they still cannot. Instead the response was more of a plea to consider the "stay" in order to save lives. In the court of law that doesn't sound like air tight data.

The only argument from the governor or others on the 9 vs 9 and others in the lockeroom would be, "then don't play." He is quoted saying education is more important than sports and said sports should not resume till January 2021. So for us to state kids are more exposed in the lockeroom next to eachother than on the bench......someone from that camp would say, good point, no hockey for you now. In reality we created that temporary hockey model based on guidance of 25 indoors. I'm going to cram as many scheduled games in the next few weeks to take advantage of our current situation.

That was a good article. I think everyone on both sides of the aisle can play monday morning QB on what the other party did or should have did. This topic is ripe for Biden to pile on the virus response. Unfortunately his party has their own hurdles in the public perception.

To this day, at least in PA, I never heard medical staff of the governor say something like this. "We looked at buildings and the ability for the virus to spread. When we started looking at data from other states or China, we crunched the numbers and figured 25 people was a good number for indoors." Hence, no science, no data, all arbitrary. In theory, the science and data should all be consistent. Each state should be looking at said data. But PA has 25, OH has 50% capacity, blah blah blah. But to your point (and I'm being sarcastic) the 25 people restriction saved lives and kept our cases lower than if it had been 100....right.

I do find it interesting that there is a direct correlation between those that preach the stay locked up, fear, stay home stuff are Biden voters. Not in all cases. I'm not saying it as a bad thing. It is just fascinating. I also found it fascinating that those that preached stay home, shut it down, save lives all got to work from home and kept their salary. I don't remember hearing too many that were unemployed saying "keep it shut down!!!."

Wow. You must have been reading my mind while I was typing. Thinking the same thing. I don't know in general if there is a plan. Day in and day out the news talks about cases, cases, cases. And the contact tracing they were talking about seems like has disappeared. Except for when all bars were shutdown is the only time I can remember a story that contact tracers traced all these case outbreaks at bars. Since then where are they coming from? Public transit? Schools? Work? Restaurants? How is this thing still spreading? Just say we need to get our case rate below 5% in order to fully resume life or something. There is no metric and no end. Just keep spitting out cases are on the rise.

I'm going to enjoy the full scale hockey and take what I can get at the moment. An appeal will be an appeal or whatever. But for now I'm happy that our kids will be happy. And with regards to the appeal. I do agree Wolf will do anything he can to change it back to what he sees fit. I think he is a proud fella and took this as a major slap in the face. Probably is also embarrassing and he hates that someone challenged his authority. So he will fight tooth and nail despite what some of the constituents (ie sport parents) think. In reality he probably wouldn't have care anyways. But the fact that he will never be up for re-election makes it even more likely he will try to get the ruling reversed. I saw that his reasoning for the appeal will be "the science." I still am unsure what science and statistics they are going by to govern red, yellow, green.

I am surprised. But optimistic and appreciative that they take this Ruling to heart

Well said. And Wolf is sticking to his guns despite the argument that they are using the science to come up with these requirements. Because truth be told, the requirements would be consistent in each state and county. Because they should be following the same science. Hypothetically.

My thoughts is no one is going to test it. No one wants fear of being sued. On the PIAA level with regards to fall sports I see some schools going out on a limb and having spectators and taking the ruling to heart. Others are sticking with the governors orders.

Yes in both situations both rinks are trying to drive the argument of 25 in a "gathering." The legit language is no more than 25 indoors. Period.

Spot on. That is why I mentioned earlier that businesses need to buy in to the decision. My fear is they do not understand the legal relief it provides. In their minds the governor said 25 so that is what we're gonna continue to do. But as a business owner they can dictate what they want.

Precisely. And the cat is outta the bag now. Good or bad, the precedent has been set for business owners and citizens to go after their governors for deprivation of freedoms.