Danner27 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 (edited) 19 hours ago, dazedandconfused said: Actually, with the growth of hockey in Western PA and Columbus, they should have left it at 8. Take these factors into consideration. 1. With PE now starting the out of town/state/country influx at 13U - you now have some pretty good players looking for a home and it is usually Esmark, Barons or Vengeance/Preds. In that order. Plus you now have both TriState and Indy Fuel as part of the TPH family so there really is no reason to limit it to 6. Would 5-8 have a legitimate chance? No, but neither do teams with a 5 seed or higher in the NCAA basketball tournament. This covers 14/15/16U. 2. At 18U you add in both Gilmour and Culver so why not 8? 6 is plenty. 6 is half and in some BY more than half qualifying for the tournament. 18’s - 12 teams 16’s - 11 teams 15’s - 8 teams 14’s - 9 teams Edited October 24, 2021 by Danner27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazedandconfused Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 Great thing about opinions, we're all allowed to have our own. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tendymom Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 23 hours ago, hockey55 said: They cut a 11-12 year old goalie in the fall after they named him or her on the team in the spring? Yep, that's how they do.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ihearthockey Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 (edited) Two shutouts for the Vengeance this weekend. Granted against a low tier AAA team. But maybe that poach has value. More likely...too early to tell. Edited October 25, 2021 by Ihearthockey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaaahockey Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 30 minutes ago, Ihearthockey said: Two shutouts for the Vengeance this weekend. Granted against a low tier AAA team. But maybe that poach has value. More likely...too early to tell. Hopefully this is sarcasm. Working out for the team isn't an excuse for sacrificing ethics. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duster19 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Ethics in youth sports? The lessons that some parents teach their kids these days is awful. Not all, but enough. Don’t blame the kids, it’s the parents that disappoint the most. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saucey Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 22 hours ago, Duster19 said: Ethics in youth sports? The lessons that some parents teach their kids these days is awful. Not all, but enough. Don’t blame the kids, it’s the parents that disappoint the most. That's what I think about. But...as a society we are going that direction. Me me me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaaahockey Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 On 10/25/2021 at 7:11 AM, Duster19 said: Ethics in youth sports? The lessons that some parents teach their kids these days is awful. Not all, but enough. Don’t blame the kids, it’s the parents that disappoint the most. I guess I'm even mor surprised because the vengeance don't use parent coaches correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Racki Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 The team Vengeance played and had two shut outs against would be ranked about fifth in PAHL AA. That team is also 4 of the Vengeance 6 wins. The goalie they picked up is good but the team is a AA team with a few AAA players. If you are not ranked in the top 30-40 in USA all, you are not a AAA team in my opinion. Teams hate to play lower ranked teams because it usually hurts them in the ranking so they choose to play independent to try to look better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forbin Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 The Ohio Prospects do not appear to be a very strong organization from top to bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3 Boys Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 9 minutes ago, forbin said: The Ohio Prospects do not appear to be a very strong organization from top to bottom. Agree, Ohio Prospects are not strong at all. The 07 Vengeance team would have been better playing Tier 2 this year. The kids would probably have had a much better time and a chance at Tier II Nationals. They will never qualify for Tier I Mid-Am playoffs this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ihearthockey Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, 3 Boys said: Agree, Ohio Prospects are not strong at all. The 07 Vengeance team would have been better playing Tier 2 this year. The kids would probably have had a much better time and a chance at Tier II Nationals. They will never qualify for Tier I Mid-Am playoffs this year. No disagreement there. I think I said in another thread that these are all new kids on this team playing with each other for the first time, getting their first taste to this level of hockey. Their goal should be to improve throughout the year and end the year as a better team than when they started, but expectations should be tempered. Edited October 27, 2021 by Ihearthockey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forbin Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 32 minutes ago, 3 Boys said: Agree, Ohio Prospects are not strong at all. The 07 Vengeance team would have been better playing Tier 2 this year. The kids would probably have had a much better time and a chance at Tier II Nationals. They will never qualify for Tier I Mid-Am playoffs this year. How does that process work? Are they able to move down to Tier 2 now or is it too late? Perhaps the players, parents and organization wouldn't want to "swallow their pride" anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fafa fohi Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 23 minutes ago, forbin said: How does that process work? Are they able to move down to Tier 2 now or is it too late? Perhaps the players, parents and organization wouldn't want to "swallow their pride" anyway. Ain't no way in hell a team starting the season at AAA drops to AA Tier 2, under any circumstances. Can you imagine the irate parents paying AAA dollars for their superstar kid to then play the lowly dregs in AA, while demanding some sort of kick back or refund? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forbin Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 17 minutes ago, fafa fohi said: Ain't no way in hell a team starting the season at AAA drops to AA Tier 2, under any circumstances. Can you imagine the irate parents paying AAA dollars for their superstar kid to then play the lowly dregs in AA, while demanding some sort of kick back or refund? Maybe, and just maybe the group of parents are sensible would rather see their son actually win some games and be happy, than care about that extra A. I know, I'm completely off my rocker for even thinking it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemesis8679 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 12 hours ago, forbin said: Maybe, and just maybe the group of parents are sensible would rather see their son actually win some games and be happy, than care about that extra A. I know, I'm completely off my rocker for even thinking it. But Little Gretzky Jr. WANTS that competition, he CRAVES it. LIVES for it!! There is just nowhere else that he can find any other competitive players to play against! There's just not a team within the entire Pittsburgh area that can keep up with him! It's scary to think how good he'll be once he hits 11 or 12! He'll be lacing them up for the London Knights in no time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3 Boys Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 21 hours ago, fafa fohi said: Ain't no way in hell a team starting the season at AAA drops to AA Tier 2, under any circumstances. Can you imagine the irate parents paying AAA dollars for their superstar kid to then play the lowly dregs in AA, while demanding some sort of kick back or refund? Very true. Just like the Icemen teams, you pay AAA costs even if you are placed in Tier II like the 07 team is this year. Crazy to pay that amount to play AA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3 Boys Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 22 hours ago, forbin said: How does that process work? Are they able to move down to Tier 2 now or is it too late? Perhaps the players, parents and organization wouldn't want to "swallow their pride" anyway. It is to late to drop down to Tier II. And even if they could I was told the Vengeance association would never do it and have any of their teams play AA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3 Boys Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 On 10/26/2021 at 9:59 AM, aaaahockey said: I guess I'm even mor surprised because the vengeance don't use parent coaches correct? They do use parent coaches. At least they did last year and that was one of the main reasons a lot of the 07 kids went to Esmark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BACKCHECKING Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 25 minutes ago, 3 Boys said: They do use parent coaches. At least they did last year and that was one of the main reasons a lot of the 07 kids went to Esmark. I know it was the reason half of the 2010 team left and half will leave again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forbin Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 52 minutes ago, 3 Boys said: They do use parent coaches. At least they did last year and that was one of the main reasons a lot of the 07 kids went to Esmark. Parent head coaches or assistant? Also, completely unrelated and strictly a vanity issue. Why don't they provide pant shells for the youth teams, and why don't they have the players last name on their jerseys? I mean even the most basic of PAHL teams have those for their kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadday4hockey Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 1 hour ago, 3 Boys said: At least they did last year and that was one of the main reasons a lot of the 07 kids went to Esmark. And there it is, the "fake news". They left because one of the main driving forces behind the move has an older kid there and has his deals in place. They left because a move to Esmark was going to catapult them into the top 30. Check the rankings from last year #60 to this year #64, and what do you know you are who you are. Jersey change and non-parent Coach and still the same results. You want to talk about a group who think they all have the next NHL player, that's the group. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fafa fohi Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 (edited) I just heard the Vengeance just poached acquired a defenseman from a Renegades team. Word came from a very reliable source - can anyone confirm? It cannot be true because something like this would never happen, especially from such a dignified organization this late into the season. Say it ain't so. Nothing like some fresh chum going into the holidays. Cheers! Edited December 23, 2021 by fafa fohi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pucks11 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 1 hour ago, fafa fohi said: I just heard the Vengeance just poached acquired a defenseman from a Renegades team. Word came from a very reliable source - can anyone confirm? It cannot be true because something like this would never happen, especially from such a dignified organization this late into the season. Say it ain't so. Nothing like some fresh chum going into the holidays. Cheers! If it was the '10 team that may be true. A lot of those parents are getting ready to walk because of the coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carroll81 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 2 hours ago, fafa fohi said: I just heard the Vengeance just poached acquired a defenseman from a Renegades team. Word came from a very reliable source - can anyone confirm? It cannot be true because something like this would never happen, especially from such a dignified organization this late into the season. Say it ain't so. Nothing like some fresh chum going into the holidays. Cheers! Trade deadline. Coaches making moves. Rosters lock in 8 days for USAH. ? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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