fafa fohi Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Has anyone been able to find the schedule for Tier 1 Nationals which includes the teams that received at-large bids? The USA Hockey website, shocking I know, does not have anything. Is it safe to assume since PPE's only team to win MidAms was U14, that the U15, U16 and U18 teams will get at-large bids? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Handey Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 You won't have the at-large bids public until the schedule comes out. I wouldn't assume anything but it helps their chances if they were highly ranked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fafa fohi Posted March 16, 2022 Author Share Posted March 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Jack Handey said: You won't have the at-large bids public until the schedule comes out. I wouldn't assume anything but it helps their chances if they were highly ranked. Nationals are two weeks away so there is no way USA Hockey is waiting to notify teams that got at-large bids due to travel considerations. I would bet those that got at-large bids know already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUCKCOVID19 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 for u16 Mount Saint Charles has 1 of the at large bids....... wonder who has the other ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadday4hockey Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Look at Myhockeyrankings. All the flags appear to have been assigned next to the teams. It appears they got in at 15U and 16U but not at 18U 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fafa fohi Posted March 17, 2022 Author Share Posted March 17, 2022 15 minutes ago, sadday4hockey said: Look at Myhockeyrankings. All the flags appear to have been assigned next to the teams. It appears they got in at 15U and 16U but not at 18U Roger that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Handey Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 I'm aware of a few teams without flags in MHR that are going. Not sure what the criteria for a flag is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Handey Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 https://nationals.usahockey.com/2022 It says: "Rosters, schedules, and more will be announced Friday, March 18." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fafa fohi Posted March 17, 2022 Author Share Posted March 17, 2022 39 minutes ago, Jack Handey said: https://nationals.usahockey.com/2022 It says: "Rosters, schedules, and more will be announced Friday, March 18." Thanks - prior to this update the website said schedules would be posted March 10th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Handey Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 I am aware of at least one team that has it's draw and schedule for first 3 games in hand already. Probably came with a big fat asterisk and "subject to change" I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadday4hockey Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 4 hours ago, Jack Handey said: I'm aware of a few teams without flags in MHR that are going. Not sure what the criteria for a flag is. I think at Tier 1 all 16 are accounted for for 18, 16 and 15. Didn't check 14's because ...... well, they actually earned that birth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hattrick Swayze Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 Good Luck to the local teams heading to Tier 2 Nationals this week. 18U Armstrong Arrows, 05 Steel City Renegades, and 07 Allegheny Badgers. Hope all of you have success and represent our area well. Would love to see a Western Pa team bring home a National Championship! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazedandconfused Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 Allegheny and SCIR both have legitimate shots at making it through to the playoff round. Armstrong will need to play their very best to move through but hey, the Foxes were a top 5 and didn't make it past them so you never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fafa fohi Posted March 29, 2022 Author Share Posted March 29, 2022 (edited) I am unaware of the format for Nationals at the HS level, so does anyone know why / how Bishop Canavin was placed and not other higher quality local HS teams? Was it because of the timing of the Penguins Cup? They had a rough showing and went 0-3 with GF / GA of 3-14. https://nationals.usahockey.com/2022highschooldivisionii Edited March 29, 2022 by fafa fohi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarampage Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 30 minutes ago, fafa fohi said: I am unaware of the format for Nationals at the HS level, so does anyone know why / how Bishop Canavin was placed and not other higher quality local HS teams? Was it because of the timing of the Penguins Cup? They had a rough showing and went 0-3 with GF / GA of 3-14. https://nationals.usahockey.com/2022highschooldivisionii I've asked the same. I think you just have to be registered as a National Bound team, apply to MidAm and be approved. The teams at HS Nationals vary greatly in strength. One score was 22-0. Looking at the teams this year, I think the top PIHL AAA/AA teams could do very well. I think PIHL teams never enter because it always conflicts with the Penguins/PA Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danner27 Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 I was just taking a look at tier 2 - when did mid am become a 2a district ???!? I noticed at U18 armstrong is playing for 2A nationals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novos51 Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 On 3/29/2022 at 1:56 PM, sarampage said: I've asked the same. I think you just have to be registered as a National Bound team, apply to MidAm and be approved. The teams at HS Nationals vary greatly in strength. One score was 22-0. Looking at the teams this year, I think the top PIHL AAA/AA teams could do very well. I think PIHL teams never enter because it always conflicts with the Penguins/PA Cup. I think there is a co-op style division. Idk the selection. I know it happens early in the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarampage Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Danner27 said: I was just taking a look at tier 2 - when did mid am become a 2a district ???!? I noticed at U18 armstrong is playing for 2A nationals. I noticed the same...I thought MidAm was usually 3a. All three teams last season were 3a. This season, Allegheny and SCIR are 3a while Armstrong is 2a. Odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadday4hockey Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 I think it's based upon the size of the organization itself and how many total members they have or how many they average. I'm not certain about but if anyone has the motivation to look at past Armstrong results, that would be an indication. And even the old Mid-State teams that were so loaded. As far as the HS Nationals, that's just a bad HS tournament with a fancy name. Not that all the teams are bad but as stated above, the competition is greatly varied and makes for some ugly scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danner27 Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 20 minutes ago, sadday4hockey said: I think it's based upon the size of the organization itself and how many total members they have or how many they average. I'm not certain about but if anyone has the motivation to look at past Armstrong results, that would be an indication. And even the old Mid-State teams that were so loaded. As far as the HS Nationals, that's just a bad HS tournament with a fancy name. Not that all the teams are bad but as stated above, the competition is greatly varied and makes for some ugly scores. That wouldn’t make any sense - the district tournament at tier 2 is pretty much made up of every Pahl org regardless of size. Anyone can play, just apply & pay the money at the start of the season. It’s not really a district tournament, it’s a western PA tournament. if you take a look at the teams playing for 3A at U18 (team ohio, Oakland, Philly Blazers etc) that’s where teams from mid am should be & normally are. Armstrong lost to both Philly & Oakland 7-2. They lost to team ohio last week 7-0. ? U16 - Scir is playing for 3A. U14 - Allegheny is playing for 3A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadday4hockey Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Okay, but give us another reason. I just looked back, when SHAHA won they were in 3A and so was Mid-State in 2014 but that was 3 years after they won 16U 2A in 2011 so maybe they chose to or were told they were playing 3A. Armstrong runner-up team played at 2A and SCIR 3A. SHAHA and SCIR - larger than Altoona and Armstrong Like I said, I think that's it but I'm not certain. At least I've provided some data and a thought process whereas you continue to state your opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danner27 Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, sadday4hockey said: Okay, but give us another reason. I just looked back, when SHAHA won they were in 3A and so was Mid-State in 2014 but that was 3 years after they won 16U 2A in 2011 so maybe they chose to or were told they were playing 3A. Armstrong runner-up team played at 2A and SCIR 3A. SHAHA and SCIR - larger than Altoona and Armstrong Like I said, I think that's it but I'm not certain. At least I've provided some data and a thought process whereas you continue to state your opinions. I’ve only stated the current data - I don’t know the answer, thus the reason I’m asking. thanks for pointing out shaha played for 3A when they won the U14 nationals. I’ve always been under the impression the western pa tournament champion plays for 3A. It appears it’s normally that way. if I’m understanding your thought process correctly - you are thinking the size of the org matters for the national class the team is placed in. Again, that would make zero sense since everyone from Pahl along with the indie teams from western pa play in the tournament. So if Armstrong lost to someone like Allegheny, Allegheny would represent in 3A ? But since Armstrong is smaller, they won they get to play 2A ? There is no logic in that, they all play each other in the same tournament. Edited March 31, 2022 by Danner27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarampage Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) Did a little digging and found this, supposedly from USA Hockey: For the Tier II divisions of USA Hockey, districts do not matter. States that make the decision to send teams to Nationals are then split into three levels: 3A, 2A, and 1A. The teams that go into the different levels are determined by the number of registered players per capita with the largest states, such as New Jersey, New York, or Michigan, being placed into 3A, the middle ones going into 2A and the smallest ones, such as Montana and Louisiana, going into 1A. If a team wins its level, they are declared national champions. Different levels do not play each other. Edited March 31, 2022 by sarampage 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danner27 Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 4 hours ago, sarampage said: Did a little digging and found this, supposedly from USA Hockey: For the Tier II divisions of USA Hockey, districts do not matter. States that make the decision to send teams to Nationals are then split into three levels: 3A, 2A, and 1A. The teams that go into the different levels are determined by the number of registered players per capita with the largest states, such as New Jersey, New York, or Michigan, being placed into 3A, the middle ones going into 2A and the smallest ones, such as Montana and Louisiana, going into 1A. If a team wins its level, they are declared national champions. Different levels do not play each other. Thanks! odd our local teams at 14 & 16 will play 3A but 18 will play 2A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RegDunlop7 Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, Danner27 said: odd our local teams at 14 & 16 will play 3A but 18 will play 2A. The only reason I can think of is that the number of registered players per capita in Western PA for 16U and 14U is higher than 18U. Edited March 31, 2022 by RegDunlop7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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