PeterThePuck Posted February 28, 2023 Author Share Posted February 28, 2023 Parent from Montour worked for that High Powered Attorneys just heard. That is the connection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemesis8679 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 So that's that, then? Montour is out and everything proceeds as normal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterThePuck Posted February 28, 2023 Author Share Posted February 28, 2023 PIHL should cone back and bury Montour Hockey program. Suspend them from playing the next two years for taking this to a Judge. My friends that will teach anyone a lesson trying to do this crap ever again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockey57410 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, PeterThePuck said: PIHL should cone back and bury Montour Hockey program. Suspend them from playing the next two years for taking this to a Judge. My friends that will teach anyone a lesson trying to do this crap ever again. I don’t think anyone will argue that they feel horrible for seniors. however, this should be a call for the parents in that program to have the entire board and coach to resign and never hold a post again. They are the sole reason for this. Sad parents ruined it for kids. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stackthepads Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 46 minutes ago, hockey57410 said: I don’t think anyone will argue that they feel horrible for seniors. however, this should be a call for the parents in that program to have the entire board and coach to resign and never hold a post again. They are the sole reason for this. Sad parents ruined it for kids. Fire the volunteers!!! Off with their heads! Suspend the program for 2 years!!! Punish the kids even more than you did!!! Teach them a lesson!!! Did you people even read the summation from the judge? Or can you not comprehend? Brilliant solution. If the entire board resigns, there is no program. Nobody wants to do it but those who volunteer. So much hate to the volunteers it’s moronic. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baleout21 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 12 minutes ago, Stackthepads said: Fire the volunteers!!! Off with their heads! Suspend the program for 2 years!!! Punish the kids even more than you did!!! Teach them a lesson!!! Did you people even read the summation from the judge? Or can you not comprehend? Brilliant solution. If the entire board resigns, there is no program. Nobody wants to do it but those who volunteer. So much hate to the volunteers it’s moronic. Hey, if Montour doesn't have a team, another school can pick these players up. Then these nasty people on this forum can find shark bait somewhere else. JMO. Isn't that how you folks say it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pucks11 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 So what the judge is saying is that Montour once again did not file all the proper paperwork even for court. ✔️ Maybe Smith and Butz the high powered attorney's should stick to what they actually practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baleout21 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 31 minutes ago, Pucks11 said: So what the judge is saying is that Montour once again did not file all the proper paperwork even for court. ✔️ Maybe Smith and Butz the high powered attorney's should stick to what they actually practice. That was NOT the judges conclusion! Did you read the judges verdict? Again, your facts seem a little slanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemesis8679 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 People love to bitch about parent coaches. What I'd love to see is non-parent boards. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yalldumb Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 6 hours ago, nemesis8679 said: People love to bitch about parent coaches. What I'd love to see is non-parent boards. Yeah let us know when you find enough people who’s kids don’t play to fill every teams board 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemesis8679 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 36 minutes ago, Yalldumb said: Yeah let us know when you find enough people who’s kids don’t play to fill every teams board Yeah no shit. That wasn't my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifelongbender Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 8 hours ago, Pucks11 said: So what the judge is saying is that Montour once again did not file all the proper paperwork even for court. ✔️ Maybe Smith and Butz the high powered attorney's should stick to what they actually practice. This is absolutely not what the judge said. What the judge actually said was that he found Montour's arguments compelling, and that the ambiguity in the rules is also troubling to him. However, he noted that in order to issue an injunction there would have to evidence that irreparable harm would come to Montour, and that Pennsylvania case law has found that a loss of opportunity to play in a potential playoff season does not constitute irreparable harm. Because Montour was unable to show that irreparable harm would result from the situation due to the case law, the judge could not issue the requested injunction. Note though the first part - the judge did say that he found Montour's arguments for why they believed the player was eligible to play credible. Paragraph 1 says (in part) "the innocent and highly successful Montour Hockey Team". That doesn't sound like the comment of a man who thinks Montour would fail in court on the facts. He also notes that he wasn't commenting on the other prerequisites for issuing an injunction because case law is clear on the question of irreparable harm in this situation and further analysis is not required (this is common in these cases - because you have to show irreparable harm to get an injunction, judges often use that as the first test and stop their review if irreparable harm cannot be demonstrated). I'm thinking the judge here believes that Montour would win this issue in court, but he cannot order an injunction. My take is that PIHL needs to overhaul their rules regarding transfer students completely, and also needs to take a lesson on due diligence here. PIHL should be able to rely on organizations to fill their paperwork out completely and correctly, but the issues with ambiguity in the letter of the rules are undeniable, even if it is reasonably clear what the intent of the rules is. As I said before, it's not hard to imagine this happening with everyone acting in good faith, and misunderstanding the rules. It's clear, at least now, what PIHL intended when they wrote that rule, but the rule itself is fuzzy as written. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeyisgreat Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 31 minutes ago, Lifelongbender said: This is absolutely not what the judge said. What the judge actually said was that he found Montour's arguments compelling, and that the ambiguity in the rules is also troubling to him. However, he noted that in order to issue an injunction there would have to evidence that irreparable harm would come to Montour, and that Pennsylvania case law has found that a loss of opportunity to play in a potential playoff season does not constitute irreparable harm. Because Montour was unable to show that irreparable harm would result from the situation due to the case law, the judge could not issue the requested injunction. Note though the first part - the judge did say that he found Montour's arguments for why they believed the player was eligible to play credible. Paragraph 1 says (in part) "the innocent and highly successful Montour Hockey Team". That doesn't sound like the comment of a man who thinks Montour would fail in court on the facts. He also notes that he wasn't commenting on the other prerequisites for issuing an injunction because case law is clear on the question of irreparable harm in this situation and further analysis is not required (this is common in these cases - because you have to show irreparable harm to get an injunction, judges often use that as the first test and stop their review if irreparable harm cannot be demonstrated). I'm thinking the judge here believes that Montour would win this issue in court, but he cannot order an injunction. My take is that PIHL needs to overhaul their rules regarding transfer students completely, and also needs to take a lesson on due diligence here. PIHL should be able to rely on organizations to fill their paperwork out completely and correctly, but the issues with ambiguity in the letter of the rules are undeniable, even if it is reasonably clear what the intent of the rules is. As I said before, it's not hard to imagine this happening with everyone acting in good faith, and misunderstanding the rules. It's clear, at least now, what PIHL intended when they wrote that rule, but the rule itself is fuzzy as written. Thanks for the summary! Well done. Saves a lot of time trying to go back and read the Judges opinion. Bottom line is that Montour could still win but it is a dead issue once the playoffs start and finish. Hopefully all Western Pa High School Hockey programs learned from this. tough way for Montour to end the season! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stackthepads Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 Congrats to assistant coach BB on a big night: - QV victory - goalie shutout - getting montour eliminated Way to hurt the kids!!! Apparently that’s what is most important to some. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fafa fohi Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Stackthepads said: Congrats to assistant coach BB on a big night: - QV victory - goalie shutout - getting montour eliminated Way to hurt the kids!!! Apparently that’s what is most important to some. Stop with the bullshit. You've been on these pages whining, adding your snarky comments and pointing fingers at everyone BUT Montour for days now. It is over - get over it. Go back to your Montour hockey board, regroup and determine how this doesn't happen again. Blaming Avonworth is complete nonsense. Edited February 28, 2023 by fafa fohi 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yalldumb Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 29 minutes ago, Stackthepads said: Congrats to assistant coach BB on a big night: - QV victory - goalie shutout - getting montour eliminated Way to hurt the kids!!! Apparently that’s what is most important to some. Assistant coach BB knows all the inside info cause of where he works 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baleout21 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 24 minutes ago, fafa fohi said: Stop with the bullshit. You've been on these pages whining, adding your snarky comments and pointing fingers at everyone BUT Montour for days now. It is over - get over it. Go back to your Montour hockey board, regroup and determine how this doesn't happen again. Blaming Avonworth is complete nonsense. Oh. ..but is it nonsense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeyisgreat Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Baleout21 said: Oh. ..but is it nonsense? It's over! Time to move on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stackthepads Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 49 minutes ago, fafa fohi said: Stop with the bullshit. You've been on these pages whining, adding your snarky comments and pointing fingers at everyone BUT Montour for days now. It is over - get over it. Go back to your Montour hockey board, regroup and determine how this doesn't happen again. Blaming Avonworth is complete nonsense. Did I blame Avonworth? Again- know your facts before opening your trap. Happy to have a discussion in person if you like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pucks11 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 20 minutes ago, Stackthepads said: Did I blame Avonworth? Again- know your facts before opening your trap. Happy to have a discussion in person if you like. Montour got caught cheating 3 times this year. Stop blaming everyone except for who is to blame and that is your coach. So what if BB turned your kid in, he followed the rules. If you don't like it fire your coach or the team manager that filed the paperwork. You are mad at someone that did what was right and not mad at the person that did something wrong ???. Do you hear yourself? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stackthepads Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 15 minutes ago, Pucks11 said: Montour got caught cheating 3 times this year. Stop blaming everyone except for who is to blame and that is your coach. So what if BB turned your kid in, he followed the rules. If you don't like it fire your coach or the team manager that filed the paperwork. You are mad at someone that did what was right and not mad at the person that did something wrong ???. Do you hear yourself? Same offer pucks11- happy to meet and discuss. Also it’s now 4 times according to what you think. Gets the facts straight. Our team manager DOES NOT file the paperwork. Are you tooo tooo tooo stupid to understand that? Nice emoji use- what are you 13? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pucks11 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 23 minutes ago, Stackthepads said: Same offer pucks11- happy to meet and discuss. Also it’s now 4 times according to what you think. Gets the facts straight. Our team manager DOES NOT file the paperwork. Are you tooo tooo tooo stupid to understand that? Nice emoji use- what are you 13? Meet and discuss what exactly? You guys got caught cheating 3 times this season, the last one just happen to cost your Seniors their last chance at a Penguins cup. You want to change people's minds about your organization then BLAME THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN CHARGE OF YOUR ORGANIZATION AND LET THESE THINGS HAPPEN. BB should get an award for doing the RIGHT THING. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baleout21 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, Pucks11 said: Meet and discuss what exactly? You guys got caught cheating 3 times this season, the last one just happen to cost your Seniors their last chance at a Penguins cup. You want to change people's minds about your organization then BLAME THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN CHARGE OF YOUR ORGANIZATION AND LET THESE THINGS HAPPEN. BB should get an award for doing the RIGHT THING. BB....an award? I hope you are joking! Snitch of the year? JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadtobeerleague Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 9 minutes ago, Pucks11 said: Meet and discuss what exactly? You guys got caught cheating 3 times this season, the last one just happen to cost your Seniors their last chance at a Penguins cup. You want to change people's minds about your organization then BLAME THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN CHARGE OF YOUR ORGANIZATION AND LET THESE THINGS HAPPEN. BB should get an award for doing the RIGHT THING. 2 minutes ago, Baleout21 said: BB....an award? I hope you are joking! Snitch of the year? JMO 4 minutes ago, Baleout21 said: BB....an award? I hope you are joking! Snitch of the year? JMO Not sure how this situation benefited QV. They did beat Indiana, but if they had been the fifth seed, they would’ve played Kiski, who Indiana just beat last week. And now Quaker Valley has to go on the road and play Fox Chapel, rather than play North Hills on the ice surface where Quaker Valley practices twice a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surecat069 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 8 minutes ago, Baleout21 said: BB....an award? I hope you are joking! Snitch of the year? JMO Ohh then you'll run and sue casue you dont like the answer - how did that work for you?? - everyone else has to follow the rules but Mighy Mountour - because they'll sue if the dont get what they want , maybe thats worse than your so called"snitching" - but if you would have only gotten away with it huh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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