IUP club hockey

[stickboy]

Any parent involved in their kid’s college club hockey team needs therapy. 

[stickboy]

On 8/26/2025 at 10:34 AM, Stillers1979 said:

I had a friend tell me Duquesne was similar (with out the parents drinking in the parking lot). 

Oh I’ve seen that there. They were likely posted up in the same parking spaces they used for tailgating the previous 10 years at Renegades.

[Pa Hockey]

18 hours ago, Stillers1979 said:

You are 100% correct. Just like PIHL school teams the meetings should be posted financials should be open to the members. 
 

I’m not bothering replying to Jeff anymore. He was the one that paved the way imo, its just got more ridiculous since he’s moved on. that’s why he just glosses over most of the posts and regurgitates the same reply over and over. He knows it. 

 

So now the PIHL posts their financials for the Public to see ? On their Website ? Where ?

Youre not very smart because I have everything I need and paved nothing ! 

We know who you are AND If I were you I wouldnt recommend showing up for IUP games in Indiana or in Kitttanning.......Youre a real program builder and have made more new friends with your Audit plans of IUP ..........LOL

 

Edited August 29 by Pa Hockey

[Lifelongbender]

Lord, boys, this silliness is getting old. Why not scream at each other on DM rather than make this argument tediously public?

[Stillers1979]

5 hours ago, Pa Hockey said:

So now the PIHL posts their financials for the Public to see ? On their Website ? Where ?

We know who you are AND If I were you I wouldnt recommend showing up for IUP games in Indiana or in Kitttanning.......Youre a real program builder and have made more new friends with your Audit plans of IUP ..........LOL

 

Where my son played varsity school hockey yes the members had access to meeting minutes and financials were shared. That’s pretty standard everywhere. 
 

“We know who you are” oh my just proving my point even more the click is coming for me! Can someone put down their beer for 5 minutes? It’s like politicians when someone goes public and it upsets the apple cart and their checking  accounts get effected. I guess my original post must have opened up some eyes! you folks stayed up for days trying to figure this one. Really showing your true colors Jeff. Like I said, all you do is re inforce everything I posted. FYI I didn’t know about the second team asking for an audit and not getting it but we all know you have zero reading comprehension. I believe it was @Rinkshrink01 that shed the light on that, I appreciate him exposing that. Sorry rink, I guess they will be coming for you next. 
 

“I wouldn’t recommend showing up for games in Indiana or in kittaning” is this some kind of threat? Oh I shouldn’t goto to any Armstrong games! Will they yell slurs at me like the mars female goalie? 

my son graduated, I have no reason to goto any games anywhere.  I wasn’t living through him playing club hockey nor making any money on it. Im Not like you and the others running that place. Keep trying to sell your books out of the trunk of your car. 
 

I hope this topic exposed your true colors for all to see. 
 

 

 

 

[Spear and Magic Helmet]

It does seem reasonable for the IUP players to be able to audit the books and see the budget. It is technically a student-run organization. Again, it has been years since I was involved, but in general having 2 ACHA teams on campus sometimes meant the lower team was seen as more of an expense because the student government dollars were typically only granted to the top team.

[Stillers1979]

51 minutes ago, Spear and Magic Helmet said:

It does seem reasonable for the IUP players to be able to audit the books and see the budget. It is technically a student-run organization. Again, it has been years since I was involved, but in general having 2 ACHA teams on campus sometimes meant the lower team was seen as more of an expense because the student government dollars were typically only granted to the top team.

I agree. But you see how Jeff tried to defend that! During my original post I did not realize team 2 ask for an audit as reported in this topic. They should have received it That better explains the drama about the kids quitting last year.  From what I know the way we were told the school doesn’t give much to the program. One year when we went to nationals the talk was we were going to have to shell out another 3k but in the end the school came up with some money but we never saw any kind of documents or transparency how any money was spent. Never thought to ask to tell you the truth but we all assumed team 2 was contributing to our team in some fashion. 

Like I said earlier just guessing but I’d bet that second team is bringing in 90-100k. That’s a lot of money for a lot of nothing. 

 

Edited August 29 by Stillers1979

[Pa Hockey]

I been out of IUP Hockey for three years and really could care less what you do. There's better ways of handling your suspicions, like picking up the phone and calling and asking. 

Going the audit route you will make enemies. 

Book Sales  are great and theres lots of pictures for you to see of great high school champions.

[Stillers1979]

7 minutes ago, Pa Hockey said:

I been out of IUP Hockey for three years and really could care less what you do. There's better ways of handling your suspicions, like picking up the phone and calling and asking. 

Going the audit route you will make enemies. 

Book Sales  are great and theres lots of pictures for you to see of great high school champions.

What part of I didn’t ask for an audit or knew anything about an audit & my kid is out of there do you not understand? My op was about the way the program was run & what my opinion of it was while my son was there Jeff. Others chimmed in about an audit. Again, reading comprehension. 

[nemesis8679]

5 hours ago, Pa Hockey said:

 

Going the audit route you will make enemies. 

 

Why? 

[CranjisMcBasketball]

7 hours ago, nemesis8679 said:

Why? 

Because he knows the books are cooked?

[zam]

I love everything about this thread.  It has so many of the themes we generally see in this forum wrapped up into one. 

Crazy over involved parents, "Daddy Hockey"
All roads lead to beer league. 
Cronyism vs meritocracy 

And not only that!! The typical "keyboard warrior" attacks have escalated to calling people out by name and even added in some mafioso style intimidation and threats. " Better not show up at the rink, and you are making enemies!"

We even got a taste of the usual PPE complaint,  "PPE was set up to give local kids a place to play" in this case IUP let outsider kids from Slippery Rock come and play for them. LOL

If only PAHockey could increase the font size on his red text and maybe throw in some charts and excessive formatting, That would be glorious!

Who would have thought IUP club hockey could be so interesting!?!?
 

[Chinstrap]

32 minutes ago, zam said:

I love everything about this thread.  It has so many of the themes we generally see in this forum wrapped up into one. 

Crazy over involved parents, "Daddy Hockey"
All roads lead to beer league. 
Cronyism vs meritocracy 

And not only that!! The typical "keyboard warrior" attacks have escalated to calling people out by name and even added in some mafioso style intimidation and threats. " Better not show up at the rink, and you are making enemies!"

We even got a taste of the usual PPE complaint,  "PPE was set up to give local kids a place to play" in this case IUP let outsider kids from Slippery Rock come and play for them. LOL

If only PAHockey could increase the font size on his red text and maybe throw in some charts and excessive formatting, That would be glorious!

Who would have thought IUP club hockey could be so interesting!?!?
 

Have to agree and also add that I had begun to sell this forum short in recent years. It seemed all that was talked about was PPE and NC. Well done.

[Pa Hockey]

At the end of the day, theres more to life than your little hockey game like your favorite hockey player gaining an education + a career + a life which includes beer league + giving back to the sport + friendships/relationships. 

I have involved with  Hockey longer than some of you have been alive and see the Daddy coaches, Kool Aid Drinker and people that truly serve the sport. Its a big gaane and thanks for the entertainment !

Let me know how that audit turns out for you ? PIHL is a whole different level

IUP SRU Pitt Duquense are all vehicles to your kids to get a life ..............maybe you should too 

Golf at Noon today anyone care to join us

Otherwise well see you and the King at the Castle 

Edited August 30 by Pa Hockey

[Pa Hockey]

3 hours ago, CranjisMcBasketball said:

Because he knows the books are cooked?

Who cares ? 

If you really cared and wanted to improve the sport, I have a real project I am working on

[amyc2025]

Just wanted to throw in a few observations in response to the comments on this post.

These are my perspectives as the mom of a kid who played D3 his first year and then D1 during the rest of his time at IUP, up until the end of last season.

D1 parents - including the "Armstrong parents" also requested a full accounting of the books - especially in light of the fact that that there was never any money alloted for nationals - it was a last minute effort for donations - provided by many of the parents (and others, of course) who were "called out" for having the nerve to hangout and tailgate before the games.

Also, suddenly after years of planned - and budgeted - senior nights, nothing was planned for last year's seniors, mysteriously after the departure of a coach's son (and several year senior) from the team the year before. Again, after these "horrible" tailgating parents pushed for an answer and learned no one from the staff had done anything and that there was "no money" for it,  they planned and covered the costs. I'll give credit to a part time Asst. Coach and his wife, who also spent their personal time and money making sure the seniors were recognized, too.

One more thing about the tailgaters... do you know who went to EVERY away game and made sure every kid was fed everyday of the trip? WE DID.  Do you know who booked the hotels on their own personal time to get a discount for the club? WE DID.  Do you know who called in favors when there was "no money" for Nationals and again, senior night? WE DID. Do you know who made sure every kid who was hurt, injured, or had another issue on the road was taken care of or got what they needed? WE DID. So if we want to hang out together, have a few drinks, and picnic food before a game - what do you care? EVERYONE WAS INVITED. If you chose not to be a part of it, that's your perogative. Many - but not all - of you ALSO chose not to fundraise or feed/give $$ for road trip games either. Again, your choice, but you should probably mind your own business before criticizing others.

Someone mentioned some sort of discount for "the chosen" families or volunteers... in my experience, that is BS. I know that I paid every cent owed to that program - and even for other items (like hockey bags, warm ups, etc that was supposed to a part of the fee) and team meals. I volunteered to support the team.  So, I can't speak to that. I have heard that it was rare for anyone on the D3 team to pay, and that had been a practice for many years.

For the record, I say all this LOATHING the D1 coaching staff for my son's experience as part of the IUP hockey program. The nepotism was almost laughable. The bullying and mind-games played were unbelievable. The differential treatment of kids was real.

My son did get to play most games, I will say that. But the mind games up until the lineup was announced was bullsh#t.

And for those of you who say Im just some overprotective mom, I salute you with emphatic double middle fingers. Get back to me when your kid and another are called out and compared  point by point by coaches, all of their supposed "flaws" - to the entire team in the team chat... a supposed "mistake" ... but probably a tactic commonly used to "motivate."

But the WORST fuck#ing thing that could happen for a senior player, who played almost every game (not including an injury, missing 2 games, I think) of the season, is that you dress for the championship game- your last game as a Hawk- only to then be told after warmups that youre not actually playing. 

Now im not saying by any means that if he was playing that they would have won. But I DO know that he was a dependable player who got on the ice with hockey smarts, skills and as a forward with a defensive mindset. A dependable, hard worker who busted his ass for his team. And a VERY strong member of the penalty kill, who his goalie and team mates could depend on. 

Thats how his career ended. Sitting in the fuc#king locker room having to undress while the rest of his team went out on the ice and then having to sit with his entire family who traveled to be there to watch him and his team.

And if you saw the game - or did ANY sort of research on their opponent JCU , you would have known for sure that he was sorely needed on the penalty kill, especially since we took so many damn penalties.

Many returning students DID choose to stay at IUP but not play hockey. Others left for a program where they actually felt valued, as another poster mentioned.

But guess what? IUP doesn't care about its hockey program. Parents had complained. Players complained. Things happened with coaching staff. Parents described their issues regarding getting confirmation on payments being cashed, trying to get money back after cancelled events.  Wanted an account of the books. What was the result? *Almost* nothing.

And when's the last time the IUP Athletics social media even mentioned IUP's hockey program???? Maybe a nationals post... any general coverage? Sharing info about the boys' fundraising efforts? Community activities? And, I agree about the D3 team not getting the benefit of the broadcasts for home games.  Seems like it was a missed opportunity for another group of communications/ media students to get practical experience, too. 

Finally, I have to say that the saving grace of this entire experience are the D1 players - a really great group of young men who are my son's closest friends and family.  That's the only redeeming part of the experience. Those boys are like an extended family for my son, and they're a talented, smart group of guys, with parents who support them and the team.

PS. There was NO team manager.  Everything done by the parents, again including the "Armstrong" parents was to benefit the boys  where the program had failed them.

Edited August 31 by amyc2025

[fafa fohi]

On 8/30/2025 at 10:21 AM, Pa Hockey said:

Who cares ? 

If you really cared and wanted to improve the sport, I have a real project I am working on

Responding with "who cares" on whether the books are cooked speaks volumes about you, bro.  Folks - draw any conclusion that you will based on that comment.

And please don't feel the need to restate your resume' yet again - you have listed it here a hundred times.  "Nobody cares."

Edited August 31 by fafa fohi

[aaaahockey]

On 8/30/2025 at 7:56 AM, zam said:

I love everything about this thread.  It has so many of the themes we generally see in this forum wrapped up into one. 

Crazy over involved parents, "Daddy Hockey"
All roads lead to beer league. 
Cronyism vs meritocracy 

And not only that!! The typical "keyboard warrior" attacks have escalated to calling people out by name and even added in some mafioso style intimidation and threats. " Better not show up at the rink, and you are making enemies!"

We even got a taste of the usual PPE complaint,  "PPE was set up to give local kids a place to play" in this case IUP let outsider kids from Slippery Rock come and play for them. LOL

If only PAHockey could increase the font size on his red text and maybe throw in some charts and excessive formatting, That would be glorious!

Who would have thought IUP club hockey could be so interesting!?!?
 

Now we added the angry hockey mom.  We have really hit some kind of zen in this forum.  

[Pa Hockey]

When you sign up for college  programs like this there are NO guarantees of ice time or playing time and ALL should  know this.

I knew a kid who sat in the stands 7 out of the first 10 games of his college career and was given the choice to quit or work to get better and make a difference  (LIFE LESSON).

Like he did in HS, he chose to work hard and with NO guarantees did and achieved some special things. Friends of his when faced with similar circumstance, quit at RMU Pitt Duquesne WVU and apparantly IUP. One of this kids best friends played two years at Ohio U played on the D2 Team and earned a spot on D1 and got play in the National Semi Finals his last year. Both graduated and earned Masters Degrees.

Both kids are doing well in thier jobs and are in great shape to be leaders in society.     Ohio Pitt RMU Duquesne WVU are like IUP and have similar set ups with thier Hockey Programs.

Blame the coaches, program, team manager and me all you want but it is your responsibility as a parent to support the program or not and shut your mouth.  

Good thing your kid didnt play football with NIL Money and sit in the stands or on the sidelines WOW ! Privledged Spoiled Kids play hockey.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 31 by Pa Hockey

[Stillers1979]

3 hours ago, aaaahockey said:

Now we added the angry hockey mom.  We have really hit some kind of zen in this forum.  

While I don’t fully agree with her, I have no idea who she is if she is a mom. I also think a few things she had to say defending things were a little misleading & false BUT To be fair she did make a few very valid points stuff I did see. the  coaches are 100% complete egomaniacs. the entire staff does everything they can to play mind games with most of the players. Follows right up with my comment they all think this is major ncaa d1 hockey. Most teams will post a line up in the morning with who’s in and out Not iup they wait until the game starts. Pretty crappy for parents if they want to goto the game most don’t live in Armstrong or Indiana but maybe that’s what they want. The playoff game she is talking about we lost to JCU, that’s the entitlement I was talking about with some of the players. Just take penalty after penalty. The coaches just stood there with their arms crossed. The same coaches that will beat down 3rd and 4th line players d 4-7, bench them, scratch them last second, compare stats, put them against each other that causes more drama.  I am glad I will never have to make the drive up there again.

Edited August 31 by Stillers1979

[Stillers1979]

1 hour ago, Pa Hockey said:

When you sign up for college  programs like this there are NO guarantees of ice time or playing time and ALL should  know this.

I knew a kid who sat in the stands 7 out of the first 10 games of his college career and was given the choice to quit or work to get better and make a difference  (LIFE LESSON).

Like he did in HS, he chose to work hard and with NO guarantees did and achieved some special things. Friends of his when faced with similar circumstance, quit at RMU Pitt Duquesne WVU and apparantly IUP. One of this kids best friends played two years at Ohio U played on the D2 Team and earned a spot on D1 and got play in the National Semi Finals his last year. Both graduated and earned Masters Degrees.

Both kids are doing well in thier jobs and are in great shape to be leaders in society.     Ohio Pitt RMU Duquesne WVU are like IUP and have similar set ups with thier Hockey Programs.

Blame the coaches, program, team manager and me all you want but it is your responsibility as a parent to support the program or not and shut your mouth.  

Good thing your kid didnt play football with NIL Money and sit in the stands or on the sidelines WOW ! Privledged Spoiled Kids play hockey.

 

 

 

 

 

You are such a insufferable fool. I’m really glad you are finally exposed for what you are. One year with you was one to many. 

[amyc2025]

11 minutes ago, Stillers1979 said:

While I don’t fully agree with her, I have no idea who she is if she is a mom. I also think a few things she had to say defending things were a little misleading & false BUT To be fair she did make a few very valid points stuff I did see. the  coaches are 100% complete egomaniacs. the entire staff does everything they can to play mind games with most of the players. Follows right up with my comment they all think this is major ncaa d1 hockey. Most teams will post a line up in the morning with who’s in and out Not iup they wait until the game starts. Pretty crappy for parents if they want to goto the game most don’t live in Armstrong or Indiana but maybe that’s what they want. The playoff game she is talking about we lost to JCU, that’s the entitlement I was talking about with some of the players. Just take penalty after penalty. The coaches just stood there with their arms crossed. The same coaches that will beat down 3rd and 4th line players d 4-7, bench them, scratch them last second, compare stats, put them against each other that causes more drama.  I am glad I will never have to make the drive up there again.

Yes, I am a hockey mom. And im fully aware that there is no guarantee that my kid would get ice time - although I could argue that some kids got ice time no matter what...

The concern and extreme disappointment in the program - and what makes me an angry hockey mom - is what Stillers1979 said: the continuous beat down of some of the players, the mind games - that could be considered bullying or "what the coaches put you through to 'motivate' you or see how you react" and then add the questionable finances, lack of general support for the program by the school, too. 

We can disagree about the support some parents gave or didn't, etc. that's not the important part anyways.

 

 

[amyc2025]

4 hours ago, aaaahockey said:

Now we added the angry hockey mom.  We have really hit some kind of zen in this forum.  

And here we have the post from someone who disregards any of the information in a post because its written by a hockey MOM.

[fafa fohi]

If what was said here is true where coaches had all players dress and before taking the ice, the coaches informing the healthy scratches and then having to return to the locker room and get dressed ) that this is nothing more than a bush power move by the coaches. 
Other than humiliating the players, what’s the point?

[Icebucket]

2 hours ago, amyc2025 said:

And here we have the post from someone who disregards any of the information in a post because its written by a hockey MOM.

I think most might not have completely written off you post if you didn't add the part about how amazing your son is and the fact that he didn't play is why they lost.