Midam/USA hockey decision on hockey

[Lifelongbender]

3 minutes ago, Quinlan2020 said:

I guess I'm just peeing in your kool-aid. Don't worry most of your friends here will still drink it. You know that all my points are valid and represent the majority of US citizens. That's why my presence bothers you.

I don't want to get dragged into the silly and non-productive name calling spats that stand in for discussion here recently, but I don't believe that your positions represent the majority of US citizens. I don't know what the majority thinks - I only know what the folks I personally know think - but by that metric you are a giant outlier to the negative.

It would be interesting to know what the US citizens think, at large, were it even possible to find out in an unbiased manner.

[BeaverFalls]

Just now, Quinlan2020 said:

Just the opposite. I have been saying that it can work, but the freedom fighters will get in the way of any resolution unless they get close to 100% of what they want.

How Comrade?  I’ve seen a lot of your posts and you’ve come up with very little substantive ideas as to how it will work.  Almost all of it has been ridiculing other people’s ideas, desires and frustrations with a policy developed with arbitrary numbers that won’t be shared with the public. 

[Danner27]

4 minutes ago, Quinlan2020 said:

I guess I'm just peeing in your kool-aid. Don't worry most of your friends here will still drink it. You know that all my points are valid and represent the majority of US citizens. That's why my presence bothers you.

I’ll send a text to the good dr who owns alpha, I would be willing to bet he would have scir remove your daddy 10u coaching positioning if he was informed. The man is thinking what the rest of us are, he’s got a business to run. He was fined by pa for 3 weeks in a row for opening early. I’d bet you took your “scrub” team on the ice to get them ready for tryouts during that time ? Hypocrite.  I’m surprised the SCIR board hasn’t told you to shut up yet, you are making them look bad. 

[hockeyisgreat]

14 minutes ago, Quinlan2020 said:

I guess I'm just peeing in your kool-aid. Don't worry most of your friends here will still drink it. You know that all my points are valid and represent the majority of US citizens. That's why my presence bothers you.

Not sure I would agree that all your points are valid. I must be in the minority! 

[Quinlan2020]

2 minutes ago, BeaverFalls said:

How Comrade?  I’ve seen a lot of your posts and you’ve come up with very little substantive ideas as to how it will work.  Almost all of it has been ridiculing other people’s ideas, desires and frustrations with a policy developed with arbitrary numbers that won’t be shared with the public. 

That's totally false. I contend that the majority of kids will be happy playing with restrictions (4 vs 4, 9 skaters, etc...) if we stay positive and not try to convince them that their government refuses to let them have fun. I am not saying we shouldn't strive to reach another, more fun, solution that health officials/government will permit. I am just tired of the minimizing of this crisis and whining about sacrifices. Then the political, talk radio BS gets thrown in so everyone can feast on the red meat. 

[hockeyisgreat]

7 minutes ago, Danner27 said:

I’ll send a text to the good dr who owns alpha, I would be willing to bet he would have scir remove your daddy 10u coaching positioning if he was informed. The man is thinking what the rest of us are, he’s got a business to run. He was fined by pa for 3 weeks in a row for opening early. I’d bet you took your “scrub” team on the ice to get them ready for tryouts during that time ? Hypocrite.  I’m surprised the SCIR board hasn’t told you to shut up yet, you are making them look bad. 

Interesting!  I thought Alpha never shut down.  Heard Vengenance was practicing all spring! 

[bender05]

21 minutes ago, Quinlan2020 said:

That's totally false. I contend that the majority of kids will be happy playing with restrictions (4 vs 4, 9 skaters, etc...) if we stay positive and not try to convince them that their government refuses to let them have fun. I am not saying we shouldn't strive to reach another, more fun, solution that health officials/government will permit. I am just tired of the minimizing of this crisis and whining about sacrifices. Then the political, talk radio BS gets thrown in so everyone can feast on the red meat. 

Nobody is forcing anyone to play hockey or any sports. It is completely elective and everyone’s own choice. 
 

It is frustrating when people are forced to have regulations for a hockey rink when there aren’t any for many other establishments (Walmart, Rivers casino, Jennerstown, Motorcross, Carlisle Car Show, etc.) All is these are elective to go to.  

[dropthepuck]

2 hours ago, Mitch said:

It’s 10 minutes from home and I’ve got the time tonight. I just don’t want someone that drove 30+ min to be left out.

you can just say you are there for a peaceful protest.  No restrictions on that

[BeaverFalls]

28 minutes ago, Quinlan2020 said:

That's totally false. I contend that the majority of kids will be happy playing with restrictions (4 vs 4, 9 skaters, etc...) if we stay positive and not try to convince them that their government refuses to let them have fun. I am not saying we shouldn't strive to reach another, more fun, solution that health officials/government will permit. I am just tired of the minimizing of this crisis and whining about sacrifices. Then the political, talk radio BS gets thrown in so everyone can feast on the red meat. 

I can tolerate the 4v4.  It’s playing one 16 minute half that is ridiculous.  Even if ice time was perfectly divided and no penalty kill, you’re looking at maybe 6-8 minutes per game playing time. 
 

That might be ok if your driving to your local rink to play a game or a 4th liner clinging to a spot on a tier I or tier II team. But for the rest of people who’s kids aren’t playing on those levels, it’s a tough to justify going from Erie to Altoona or Morgantown to State College etc. 

 

Kids aren’t going to want to do that. Parents certainly aren’t going to want to do that. 

[miked]

44 minutes ago, Quinlan2020 said:

That's totally false. I contend that the majority of kids will be happy playing with restrictions (4 vs 4, 9 skaters, etc...) if we stay positive and not try to convince them that their government refuses to let them have fun. I am not saying we shouldn't strive to reach another, more fun, solution that health officials/government will permit. I am just tired of the minimizing of this crisis and whining about sacrifices. Then the political, talk radio BS gets thrown in so everyone can feast on the red meat. 

I contend that every kid I know is NOT happy about the restrictions. 

I contend that you should stop trying to speak for some supposed majority when you have no idea what anyone thinks or feels outside of your kids small realm. 

The issue that you seem to not understand is that these restrictions in no way make anything safer. Actually, quite the opposite. 

I have a son that plays cards at a small card shop on Saturdays. Being indoors, they have a 25 person max capacity. Let me tell you, if you put 25 people in this place, there would be a few body parts forced up asses to get them all to fit. But yet a 17,000 sq foot building with a 15-20 foot ceiling has the same capacity? It's arbitrary, asinine and has nothing to do with safety. It has nothing to do with staying home and fear or lack of fear or freedom fighting. it's a simple matter of once you've let 25 in a building for a game, WTF difference does another 25 make? NONE!! Players can be spread on the benches in creative ways to distance them, which is a HELL ton safer than the current recommendation of staying in the locker room for 30 minutes. 

 

[PowerPlay]

Timing is interesting here......  There are some magic dates?   

Today is 8/26...

• 8/31/2020   ---  All Player and Coaching 2019-20 USAH memberships expire.  ( I have been asked multiple times from the multiple orgs I am in, to update my USAH # in the last week)  I assume these registrars are being pressured by USAH.  My thinking is that they want everyone to pay their USAH fees so USAH can continue to operate at current profit / revenue levels.
• 9/1    ---  PIHL wants response from all teams 9/1.   No time for teams to have board/parent meetings.   Then they need rosters by 9/15.  
• 9/1    ---  Pennsylvania House Bill 2787 is scheduled to be voted on September 1, 2020.  This Bill has the potential to alleviate the 25 person restriction for indoor sports by putting the power of determination within the school districts (“School Entity”).  In addition – with the current bipartisan support – it has the potential to pass with a 2/3rds vote that would invalidate a Veto by the Governor.  As it stands right now with current sponsors of the Bill, there would only need to be another eighteen (18) members of the House needed to reach the 2/3rds majority needed (136 out of 203).  The PA Senate will need 34 out of 50 to vote for it to be VETO PROOF.
• 11/3    --- Presidential Election  (regardless of result.... new term doesn't start until mid - January 2021
• 1/1/2021   --- This is when most restrictions and guidelines are set to expire  ???  Does the Virus go away??  

Basically, I don't envy the position of the PIHL or PAHL or the decisions they make, but they are making these decisions for the betterment of their leagues' board members?  not their members (Teams & SChools).  We will all continue to pay our players' tuition and continue to pay rinks to practice for games that may never happen and games that aren't real hockey.  The PIHL and PAHL are supposed to work for its members, the orgs, not the rinks....   PIHL /  PAHL are just trying to protect themselves from litigation.

IF all varsity is suspended until Jan.  All PIHL teams should immediately stop practicing and buying ice until Dec.   Rink owners would be forced to close or ask for govt assistance and may have a better voice in allowing restrictions to be lifted.  If we all keep paying,,,, they can keep dictating what we do.

 

Most of us will because we know there is a kid on a lower team or underclassman that will take our kids' spot in heartbeat and we will then be forced to tell our kids that they can't play because Mom and Dad took a stand.

[BeaverFalls]

5 minutes ago, PowerPlay said:

Timing is interesting here......  There are some magic dates?   

Today is 8/26...

• 8/31/2020   ---  All Player and Coaching 2019-20 USAH memberships expire.  ( I have been asked multiple times from the multiple orgs I am in, to update my USAH # in the last week)  I assume these registrars are being pressured by USAH.  My thinking is that they want everyone to pay their USAH fees so USAH can continue to operate at current profit / revenue levels.
• 9/1    ---  PIHL wants response from all teams 9/1.   No time for teams to have board/parent meetings.   Then they need rosters by 9/15.  
• 9/1    ---  Pennsylvania House Bill 2787 is scheduled to be voted on September 1, 2020.  This Bill has the potential to alleviate the 25 person restriction for indoor sports by putting the power of determination within the school districts (“School Entity”).  In addition – with the current bipartisan support – it has the potential to pass with a 2/3rds vote that would invalidate a Veto by the Governor.  As it stands right now with current sponsors of the Bill, there would only need to be another eighteen (18) members of the House needed to reach the 2/3rds majority needed (136 out of 203).  The PA Senate will need 34 out of 50 to vote for it to be VETO PROOF.
• 11/3    --- Presidential Election  (regardless of result.... new term doesn't start until mid - January 2021
• 1/1/2021   --- This is when most restrictions and guidelines are set to expire  ???  Does the Virus go away??  

Basically, I don't envy the position of the PIHL or PAHL or the decisions they make, but they are making these decisions for the betterment of their leagues' board members?  not their members (Teams & SChools).  We will all continue to pay our players' tuition and continue to pay rinks to practice for games that may never happen and games that aren't real hockey.  The PIHL and PAHL are supposed to work for its members, the orgs, not the rinks....   PIHL /  PAHL are just trying to protect themselves from litigation.

IF all varsity is suspended until Jan.  All PIHL teams should immediately stop practicing and buying ice until Dec.   Rink owners would be forced to close or ask for govt assistance and may have a better voice in allowing restrictions to be lifted.  If we all keep paying,,,, they can keep dictating what we do.

 

Most of us will because we know there is a kid on a lower team or underclassman that will take our kids' spot in heartbeat and we will then be forced to tell our kids that they can't play because Mom and Dad took a stand.

I’m not taking a stand. I’d rather him play drop in and take lessons for $2k than travel 3 hours to play a few shifts.

[HockeyDad23]

4 hours ago, forbin said:

Speed limits are federal and state laws, they are not suggested guidelines from a local governor. Freedom of choice does not give you the right to break laws because you feel like it. Nice try with that ridiculous point though.

Yeah I agree. That is like talking about seatbelts.  Gimme a break.

[PeterThePuck]

PAHL looking at 4 on 4 model not delaying the season no vote yet. They form a committee to look at the impact at each level.

Meeting  next week.

[forbin]

7 minutes ago, PeterThePuck said:

PAHL looking at 4 on 4 model not delaying the season no vote yet. They form a committee to look at the impact at each level.

Meeting  next week.

4 on 4 as a full 3 period game with 9 skaters? Or 4 on 4 two halves and switch players?

[Wes]

16 minutes ago, forbin said:

4 on 4 as a full 3 period game with 9 skaters? Or 4 on 4 two halves and switch players?

I could probably live with 4 on 4 full games but the 2 half stuff is garbage.  

[PeterThePuck]

That’s all I have they form the committee to research it will have something this week vote next week

[4thlinerefugee]

1 hour ago, PowerPlay said:

IF all varsity is suspended until Jan.  All PIHL teams should immediately stop practicing and buying ice until Dec.   Rink owners would be forced to close or ask for govt assistance and may have a better voice in allowing restrictions to be lifted.  If we all keep paying,,,, they can keep dictating what we do.

Just like PAHL, PIHL team have annual contracts for their ice time. Unless there are rink closures due to the pandemic I don't think any teams are getting out of their contracts. So not paying isn't really an option.

[4thlinerefugee]

One more thing to note is the Vote on September 1 is probably to get it out of committee. That doesn't appear to be a floor vote. My Senators office said the bill is several steps away from reaching her. While she supports the decision making at the local level a position to vote is not firm yet as there could be many changes prior to getting to her.

[forbin]

11 minutes ago, PeterThePuck said:

That’s all I have they form the committee to research it will have something this week vote next week

If it’s 4 on 4 full games then I would suggest to schedule double the amount of games and essentially split the rosters into Squad A and Squad B. That way the kids are pretty much getting the same amount of ice time. Even schedule the games one after another so the traveling org is still making the same amount of trips. I don’t know. Desperate times call for desperate measures! Trying to think creatively....

[HockeyMom5]

I was told at the Belmont they were allowed 50% occupancy last month so I was hoping the rule of 25 would not matter. So much for hoping. 

Edited August 26, 2020 by HockeyMom5

[HockeyMom5]

Maybe this will help to get indoor limits raised for sports. 
https://www.wpxi.com/news/back-to-school/pittsburgh-public-schools-board-votes-unanimously-allow-fall-sports/OKTHEXJFRJES3LQWAVZFDAW54A

[powderfinger]

Called my state rep and left a message. To my shock, got a call back saying he was absolutely in favor of getting this bill passed.  Guess we can hope!

[powderfinger]

2 hours ago, PowerPlay said:

• 9/1    ---  PIHL wants response from all teams 9/1.   No time for teams to have board/parent meetings.   Then they need rosters by 9/15.  
• 9/1    ---  Pennsylvania House Bill 2787 is scheduled to be voted on September 1, 2020.  This Bill has the potential to alleviate the 25 person restriction for indoor sports by putting the power of determination within the school districts (“School Entity”).  In addition – with the current bipartisan support – it has the potential to pass with a 2/3rds vote that would invalidate a Veto by the Governor.  As it stands right now with current sponsors of the Bill, there would only need to be another eighteen (18) members of the House needed to reach the 2/3rds majority needed (136 out of 203).  The PA Senate will need 34 out of 50 to vote for it to be VETO PROOF.

Pretty sure PIHL changed that response date to 9/5.

[Danner27]

45 minutes ago, powderfinger said:

Called my state rep and left a message. To my shock, got a call back saying he was absolutely in favor of getting this bill passed.  Guess we can hope!

The bill has to make it through the house then the senate. It could be nov by the time it’s out if it passes.