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15 minutes ago, Jack Handey said:

Actually it's 14u now.  But I would think all the past Tier I teams (18u, 16u, 15u, 2004 team) would make them a Tier I org.

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So Jack, what exactly is your question? Or should I say ulterior motive? You obviously have something against either SCIR or the Vengeance or both so instead of beating around the bush like this, spill it. What's your real beef/agenda? Inquiring minds want to know and at this point anything is better than the Quinlan rhetoric.

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I've asked this question before too, because I didn't think it was permissable but it's not a no no until there is Tier 1 at 14u is how it was explained to me. (There is no true AAA until 14u as others have said, when you compete at Nationals.)  I have no ax to grind then or now, just didn't understand it and agree it is confusing. (Why can't you play independent games under your PAHL team name? ?‍♂️) I think the dual thing made it difficult for them sometimes, I know the Vengeance younger teams had trouble getting into some tournaments, directors questioning their ability to hang because they played PAHL. Also, you know if you play those crap PAHL teams it drags down your my hockey rankings....

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Always got typis
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22 minutes ago, Saucey said:

I've asked this question before too, because I didn't think it was permissable but it's not a no no until there is Tier 1 at 14u is how it was explained to me. (There is no true AAA until 14u as others have said, when you compete at Nationals.)  I have no ax to grind then or now, just didn't understand it and agree it is confusing. (Why can't you play independent games under your PAHL team name? ?‍♂️) I think the dual thing made it difficult for them sometimes, I know the Vengeance younger teams had trouble getting into some tournaments, directors questioning their ability to hang because they played PAHL. Also, you know if you play those crap PAHL teams it drags down your my hockey rankings....

Especially when you lose games at the AA level it goes against the whole "Aaa" thing (although yes I realize all those squirts are in their minor year. All the teams ("AAA" and below) are all ranked together at the squirt age though because as pointed out there is no tier 1/Tier 2. 

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On 9/3/2020 at 10:58 AM, Jack Handey said:

Yeah, like when a Renegades team rolls into a PAHL game with SCIR jerseys/shells/socks but all the kids have red helmets on.  Pretty sure that red isn't in the SCIR color scheme.  Is SCIR used as a fundraiser for the red helmet crew?

I’m sure as a member your could request to look at the books and have that question answered outside of this board. 

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V partners with renegades in year 1 of squirts to provide the option to play in the Pahl aa squirt division. Basically, playing all second year aa squirts. Results vary year to year. I can remember the 08s sweeping the AA squirt division that included all the 07s. The 2010s had a rough year last year. The 2011s aren’t doing it.

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