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If the rankings cutoff was a week later the Predators wouldn’t have made the Mid-Am playoffs.
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4 hours ago, forbin said:
This is the correct answer. Assuming you live in/near cranberry your best options would likely be North Pittsburgh who play out of Baierl, or Yetis who play out of Frozen Pond. Both have good programs.
Wouldn’t hurt to try out for 66ers for his final year of mites if that’s something you’re interested in.Just understand that as he gets older, hockey is basically like having another full time job that doesn’t pay. It’s a massive time commitment and a huge investment. If your son continues to play at a higher level you will never be home on weekends and most weeknights your dinner time will be 9pm. You will put thousands of miles on your car, spend way too much at the drive through, and alter your families schedule around hockey. As cliche as it is to say, it really is a lifestyle.
Also understand that your son will likely never play professional hockey, or even collegiate hockey, and that if he’s lucky and still loves the game later in life he will get to play beer league at 11pm on a Tuesday.
It is 100% worth it if you ask me. Just don’t chase the extra A and always make sure it’s your son driving the train.Spot on. I would also add that you shouldn’t worry about all the extra spring and summer tournaments that everyone else is doing and spend your money on a private skating coach. Your son will be better off with skating lessons and taking him to stick times as often as you can.
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Youth Hockey Site Rethinks Ranking Teams of Children
MYHockey Rankings will no longer rate 11-and-under teams in the United States and Canada, its founder said, describing the practice as potentially harmful.
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Goalie Chase Crawford of the Allegheny Badgers 10-and-under hockey team in a 2021 tournament against the Altoona Trackers in Cranberry, Pa.Credit...Jared Wickerham for The New York Times
By David Andreatta
Published May 13, 2022Updated May 15, 2022A website that has shaped youth hockey in the United States and Canada in part by ranking thousands of teams across both countries on a weekly basis has announced that it will stop the practice at the youngest levels of competition.
Neil Lodin, the founder of MYHockey Rankings, said on its website on Wednesday that the platform would no longer assign a numerical rank to teams of children under 11, explaining that rankings contributed to an unhealthy approach to the game by adults.
“Youth sports have become a rat race to the top amongst parents, coaches and clubs,” Lodin wrote. “There is this ‘If you aren’t keeping up with the Joneses, do you even love your kid?’ mentality out there.
“The youth hockey community isn’t immune from these issues,” his message stated. “And let’s be honest, rankings are a contributing factor when they’re used in a negative and exclusionary manner instead of as a coaching tool and scheduling resource.”
In December 2021, MYHockey Rankings and its influence were the subject of an article in The New York Times. Ken Martel, the director of player development for U.S.A. Hockey, the sport’s governing body, said in the article that he feared the weight given to rankings by some parents, coaches and youth hockey associations had a harmful effect on player development and the cost of playing the game.
The website’s ability to cull and crunch an array of statistical data on thousands of teams spanning age groups 9 to 18 has made it an indispensable resource for many in the youth hockey community.
At its core is a sophisticated algorithm that predicts a team’s “performance rating” and the goal differential of any game it might play against any opponent in the database. Coaches and tournament directors routinely use the website to identify teams that are projected to be evenly matched, and schedule games accordingly.
But critics have contended that the website’s ancillary practice of assigning a numerical rank to teams has fueled a primal instinct among too many youth hockey stakeholders to climb the rankings ladder in a never-ending game of one-upmanship.
In an interview, Lodin said the website would continue to provide the core data that helped inform scheduling decisions — like win-loss records, game results and other statistics — while eliminating the rankings for its youngest teams. The site ranked roughly 3,000 teams of children under 11 years old during the most recent hockey season.
“We’re taking action that we think makes users more likely to use the site as intended, as a tool to help teams schedule appropriate levels of competition, as opposed to the detriment of hockey,” Lodin said.
Tom Farrey, the executive director of the Aspen Institute’s Sports and Society Program, whom Lodin credited with posing the idea of getting rid of rankings while retaining the data that helps teams find well-matched competition, called the move “a step in the right direction.”
“It sends the message that development is more important than comparing kids and teams who are still in the early stages of growth,” Farrey said.
Martel, of U.S.A. Hockey, applauded the development.
“This will hopefully relieve some of the pressure a bit,” he said. “We’re a late-developing sport. The best young kids aren’t the best kids later on. Nobody knows who’s really good until after puberty.”
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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/13/sports/hockey/myhockey-youth-rankings.html
How long will it take PPE mite parents to start a new ranking site so they can tell everyone that their 8 year old is on a top 10 team.
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1 hour ago, LOLya said:
Honestly, the bigger can of worms here is why are 12u non checking players allowed to play "up" in a 14u checking tournament?
You do have a point about the 12u players, but at least they are playing up and not down.
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3 minutes ago, hockeyisgreat said:
BANTAM A GAMES TOTAL SCORE TOTAL POINTSJOHNSTOWN RED WINGS '098 2 FIRST LINE EVENTS '09 CIOCCA3 0 FR MIDDLE SCHOOL 4 2 AVERAGE JOE'S 2 0 AVERAGE JOE'S 2 0 JOHNSTOWN RED WINGS '096 2 FIRST LINE EVENTS '09 CIOCCA3 0 FR MIDDLE SCHOOL 5 2 AVERAGE JOE'S 4 2 FIRST LINE EVENTS '09 CIOCCA2 0 FR MIDDLE SCHOOL 2 0 JOHNSTOWN RED WINGS '093 2 Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Total AVERAGE JOE'S 0 0 2 2 FIRST LINE EVENTS '09 CIOCCA0 0 0 0 FR MIDDLE SCHOOL 2 2 0 4 JOHNSTOWN RED WINGS '092 2 2 6 CHAMPIONSHIP GAMESCORE O.T. S.O. FINAL FR MIDDLE SCHOOL 2 2 JOHNSTOWN RED WINGS0 0 I can only assume that you are talking about this bracket in the tournament. It looks like Franklin Regional Middle school won the tournament. Obviously a Middle School can have a wide range of talent from B to AAA. But even they lost to Johnstown. Looks like all the games were fairly close also. First line didn't win any games but 2 of their 3 were close. Just trying to figure out what your big issue really is!
Its not that big of an issue. the games i watched were competitive. I am just wondering why would Franklin want to play A and not AA. If its not to chase a banner why not have the lower kids play up instead of the better kids play down?
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1 hour ago, muckerandgrinder said:
Sorry your team didn’t run away with the summer sizzler banner.
BTW...muckerandgrinder... Sorry your team didn’t run away with the summer sizzler banner. ?haha made me laugh also..
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21 minutes ago, muckerandgrinder said:
I’m pretty sure you started this post with your opinion already set in stone.
You are correct my opinion that Bantam and above, AAA should not play down in an A division is set in stone. They obviously cared more about winning the great sizzler than development, if they cared about development than they would have entered the AA division so that they got to play against better players. Do you agree that it would have been better for the A kids to play up in the AA division rather than the AAA to play down 2 divisions?
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Appreciate everyone’s feedback and now I see the point of spring and summer hockey. At the time it was hard to watch my nephews team take some dirty hits from players that are obviously more skilled. Most of the AA players cannot keep up with players on the “Faux AAA” teams and I had a hard time understanding why they would want to play in the A division. I figured that mommy and daddy wanted to show off Johnny’s AAA talent to their A league family, friends, and coworkers or since Johnny is a bottom player on his “Faux AAA” team he wanted to feel like a superstar. I thought why they wouldn’t rather be with the top players from the “Faux AAA” and PPE teams in skating and skills lessons to get better for next year instead of checking a kid in the back half their size and getting kicked out of a summer hockey tournament. Now i understand that they just wanted to have fun and play with their friends.
Pittsburgh’s hockey motto should be “I GOT MINE”
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4 minutes ago, fafa fohi said:
I would not read much into anything regarding summer hockey. Most of the stuff I see in summer games, especially in the 3/3 and 4/4 variety would make robo-parents flip their noodle because there are more players rushing the puck from end to end and lack of passing, etc. I was at a game on Saturday and heard a few parents go full Rambo on a ref for not calling a penalty.
In general, you see lots of stuff you would not normally see in regular tournaments or games once the season starts because coaches for summer games are letting the kids have fun. And with no checking in some of these summer leagues, that should tell you all you need to know.
If this tournament would have been nonchecking i would have no issue.
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2 hours ago, Pucks11 said:
Spring/summer hockey gives kids a chance to play with their friends and have fun. Some of those AAA kids get pushed so hard from August-March and they don't get to hangout with their friends like they want or have fun. You will have this problem everywhere this time of year and it happens in a lot of sports during the off season.
I see your point and I would not have an issue with it if they played in the AA division, the skill level is not that big of a difference. I agree that summer hockey gives a chance for kids to have fun but how much fun do you think 1st year Bantams, who have only played A division are getting smashed into the boards and watching the AAA kids skate end to end and score are having.
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I watched a couple of A division summer hockey tournament games in Pittsburgh this past weekend. Most of the players looked like they are in the right division but some of the teams had players who play AAA in the fall. I feel that if you play AAA, you should not be able to play in any AA/A tournaments, especially A division. Not sure why they would want too anyway. The team that won the championship looked like they had 3 or 4 AAA players.
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19 minutes ago, nemesis8679 said:
Also, look what rounds they are. Not exactly high.
Your right nemesis, if they don’t get drafted #1 overall, they should just go play PAHL and avoid the money grab.
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28 minutes ago, Danner27 said:
Lilja doesn’t work for ppe anymore ?
I asked the same question yesterday and was told he decided to go the the Barons.
Congratulation's to all of the Pittsburgh kids who did get drafted. Good luck and keep up the hard work.
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On 2/28/2022 at 4:50 PM, hockey2020 said:
don’t think this move works out for anyone. only those who can’t make ppe team would choose to do this and they all falsely claim they wanted to leave. also excel is the hour ten of ice and then the teams practice another hour or so. it’s a lot of ice. and it’s the two off ice sessions per day that is perhaps too much - but the trainer at ppe is second to none
Crazy that some of these kids got cut from PPE.
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17 minutes ago, hockeyisgreat said:
Does anyone know if the Cleveland Barons have a team at the U16 level? Checked their website and it only goes to 15U. I wonder where the kids from Pittsburgh that went up there are playing next year? Just curious.
I heard the 06 team has 8 kids from Pittsburgh now. Not sure how many at the other age groups.
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22 hours ago, hockey2020 said:
don’t think this move works out for anyone. only those who can’t make ppe team would choose to do this and they all falsely claim they wanted to leave. also excel is the hour ten of ice and then the teams practice another hour or so. it’s a lot of ice. and it’s the two off ice sessions per day that is perhaps too much - but the trainer at ppe is second to none
The U15 Barons and 08 Vengeance have several players that came from PPE. The Barons are ranked higher and have beaten PPE 2 times this year. The 08 Vengeance are ranked higher than PPE, and I understand that PPE declined to play.
Hockey2020 if you are correct and only those who got cut or couldn’t make PPE would choose to leave, why do you think that they are playing so well on a different team? Could it be that the Barons and Vengeance have a better development program, the PPE coaching staff can’t recognize talent, PPEP (Pittsburgh Penguins Elite Politics), or did they just get lucky this year.
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38 minutes ago, fafa fohi said:
NCHS players are not required to enroll in Excel, however I believe all HS players that play on PPE teams are required.
So if you have $15K for school enrollment, another $5K for Excel, then add PPE fees of roughly $12K per season your young superstar can get all of the best of everything for a paltry $32K or more per year.
The cost and politics of PPE have caused a number of players form Peewee to U18 to leave Pittsburgh and travel to Cleveland to play for the Barons.
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Any update on how the young lady is doing, have any changes been implemented and enforced, did the referees get any repercussions?
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On 12/23/2021 at 9:21 PM, Pucks11 said:
Great coaches coach ALL their kids, which apparently isn't happening. Parents are "retarded " as you would say because they want the coach to focus on all the kids and not just his own kid. ✔✔✔ Sorry hockey is a team sport not a me sport.
I hear he is a good skating coach but not a very good head coach. Half of 2010 team left last year because of the same issues, including a former NHL player who was his assistant, although i do not know if he left for the same reason as the "ret---ed" parents.
It will be interesting to see if the Vengeance organization sides with the coach or the parents.
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25 minutes ago, 3 Boys said:
They do use parent coaches. At least they did last year and that was one of the main reasons a lot of the 07 kids went to Esmark.
I know it was the reason half of the 2010 team left and half will leave again.
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2 minutes ago, hockey57410 said:
You really would be better off working with a skating coach as much as possible in their youth and take private or small group lessons. It doesn't matter if you play "independent" schedule with 50 games or a solid PAHL with 30. Kids don't develop as much during games as they do in lessons/practice.
I agree going to skating and skill lessons as much as possible will help.
The speed of the game that the AAA kids are playing at can not be developed by private lessons or playing the same AA teams that have maybe 1 kid who can play AAA, 3 kids that are AA and the rest that should be playing house.
I am not saying its right, but its reality.
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1 hour ago, twoboys said:
Am I missing something, how does one go ahead and develop by playing PAHL and make the PPE when they are older? Just doesn't seem likely.
The kids who start playing squirt and peewee for PAHL are at a disadvantage to the kids who start out playing for PPE, Esmark and Vengeance. A player who only gets (2) 50 min of shared ice practices a week and 30 games a year in PAHL will not develop the same as a player who get (2) hour + practices and 60 games a year.
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PITTSBURGH, Pa. - The United States Hockey League (USHL) and Pittsburgh Penguins announced Thursday the DICK’S Sporting Goods USHL Fall Classic, which features the best junior hockey across the United States, returns for the fifth time to the UPMC Lemieux Sports Complex in Cranberry Township, Pa.
“The Fall Classic has become a top-tier hockey event in the United States for scouts and fans alike,” said USHL President and Commissioner Tom Garrity. “With all 16 USHL teams in attendance, and a plethora of youth teams, scouts from every level of hockey and every type of hockey fan will find something to interest them at this event. Our partnership with the Pittsburgh Penguins for this event is always top notch and we anticipate another amazing event to kick off next season.”
The event is currently scheduled for September 23-27 and will feature all 16 USHL Member Clubs playing a pair of regular season games to open the 2021-22 season at UPMC Lemieux Sports Complex, as well as a youth event expected to draw roughly 80 teams from across the country. With the best junior and youth hockey talent in the country all in one place, the event continues to attract more and more scouts from the National Hockey League, NCAA and junior teams.
The only local AAA teams to play in the USHL Fall Classic Youth Tournament are the Pens Elite and Cleveland Barons.
How are teams selected, and do the other local AAA teams get invited?
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I apologize. I didn’t know they beat Indiana and Esmark during the regular season. No doubt in my mind if they had played 20min periods they would have definitely beaten the Pens.
Just Because you have a yellow helmet doesn’t mean you're the Pens.