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  1. Today
  2. I wonder how Esmark would fare against the USPHL Vengeance. Would be a close game IMO
  3. Yesterday
  4. A bunch of Wacko’s out there who knew Neshannock and Guns
  5. That the list PIHL and the special meeting with Presidents of The PIHL Hockey teams went over Plum and Moon hearing with the players involved The Brawl is next Wednesday at Ice Castle.
  6. https://cdn2.sportngin.com/attachments/document/9b62-2051969/PIHL2019DecemberDisciplinaryReport.pdf
  7. I agree that the Norwin game is not in the same category as other incidents on the list. I also agree it starts with placement of teams. These two teams never should have been placed in the same division. Same with TJ (they should be playing at AA) and Pine last year. There is not a perfect formula but 17-0 shouldn’t happen. 3 players collectively had 18 points. That’s absolutely unsportsmanlike. PIHL is as much at fault as the coach. Is it the same degree as fighting or threatening a ref - no, but now we’re talking about it. #10 on the list is a joke and I would argue the one about a photographer overhearing a private conversation is not list worthy.
  8. My prior comments were not defending running up the score. However, if the league has no guidelines around what is and isn’t acceptable, how can we expect coaches and players to act accordingly? Yes, we’d hope good sense and decency would prevail, but it simply doesn’t. My point is you can’t put running up the score in the same bucket as the other incidents on that summary, at least not from the details provided. I was very surprised to see that incident on the report because it is not consistent with the other situations. No rules of game play were broken. Was it a classless thing to do? Absolutely. But as the examples show, it’s not an isolated incident. Coaches have different thoughts on what it means to be “crossing the line” so it needs to be better defined if it’s going to be called out and enforced. Maybe there needs to be a mercy rule where the game is called once a certain goal differential is met. And anyone who says that a team with a low number of players for a game should just forfeit, you need to look up the financial impact of doing so. Your organization would probably just choose to play as well.
  9. @Saucey The pussification of America continues. I’m not defending their actions. I personally think they could have shaved off 6 or 7 goals. As a coach, I’ve been on both sides. I’ve done the “hang back” things many, many times. But, hey, I’m not their coach. Maybe going back to some old school teachings will do the world some good. Everything is happy happy joy joy! If you want to keep living in your own bubble, go right ahead. Who am I (a nobody) to try to stop you?
  10. Adults don't enjoy this. Not do I see what the benefit is to either team. The only lesson learned is that there are huge jerks in the world. I don't see why this has to be learned in this context. I don't know how many lopsided games I've played in where some D bag ringer runs up the score, takes a slap shot aimed at the goalie's head in the last few minutes of a game, runs the goalie, etc. You know what usually happens in those games? Fights. Injuries. For what reason and purpose? There is none. The person is a jerk. If adults struggle to handle this kind of situation, then why are we surprised when our kids start to behave badly when faced with the same? It's unacceptable. It is the definition of a poor winner and an example of a really bad coach. How do you develop your kids and program with only a few players seeing ice time in a game? It can't be justified. Anyone defending it....guess you are the D bag in my games and I'll be seeing your kid doing the same thing in a few years.
  11. Again, not my MO and I agree with raising the bar. However, I’m a little tired of our kids (all of good old USA) being sissified. They beat us by too many! Whine, whine! The kids are in 9-12th. The team came to a game with 8 skaters. They lost 17-0. Brush it off and move on. Which they probably did until someone brought it up on here a few days ago. What about the West Allegheny games from last season. They blew other teams out in half of their games. How about Pine Richland last season, they blew out a team in four of there games. The list goes on an on. This season, last season and every other season since the existence of sporting games. @Ynot02 IMO, there should be no line drawn. Maybe a discussion happens in the next BOG meeting about good sportsmanship. Talk about the expectations of coaches, players and fans for the unwritten “don’t blowout another team rule.” If you are a head coach, this should already be known. I’m not in favor of running up a score. But, a game is a game, win some lose some. Every game builds character and a thick skin! Which many people lack nowadays. What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger.
  12. Please show where it “clearly states” that the actions in #9 fall under sportsmanship, because I can’t find it. I don’t think a 17-0 score is ok. But where do you draw the line? Where are the guidelines for coaches to understand what is acceptable or not? For example, Nov 25, PR2 beat Wheeling Park 13-0 in a JV game. Oct 14, Mars beat Knoch 14-0 in a middle school game, with 6 goals scored in the 3rd. Why aren’t these games being called out? Because they didn’t hit a 15 goal differential? Or only because they aren’t at the Varsity level? If the league isn’t looking inward and asking what in their process contributed to the poor placements that led to these lopsided scores, they should be. Maybe watching the game on LiveBarn would provide additional insight, but #9 doesn’t seem to warrant being on the report summary.
  13. The disciplinary report is posted under the sportsmanship initiative. It clearly states what they define as proper sportsmanship and it’s not just yelling at refs, fighting and penalty minutes. How about we raise the bar a little.
  14. Bullshit on you! You just agreed with my entire first paragraph. Still doesn’t constitute being on a disciplinary report of major incidents. Nothing happen! No threats were made. No players fought. Didn’t hear of any parents fighting, swearing or yelling at the coaches. There were 2 PIM in the entire game. My guess, the Norwin parent were probably embarrassed by the actions of their own kids and coaches. Again, running up the score in plain stupid. Whining about it is stupid also.
  15. Bullshit - 17-0 means the coaches and the players scoring repeatedly are displaying unsportsmanlike conduct. To keep putting the top line out there only to score yet again is ridiculous. There is no justification for it . Here’s what you do - you sit your first line like you typically do your 4th line and play the hell out of the kids who don’t get a lot of ice time. We’ve all seen games that are completely mismatched but usually, there is a shift in cheering, scoring and celebrating. It doesn’t seem that happened in this game. Interestingly enough, the Trib named the player(s) of the week based on this game. https://tribhssn.triblive.com/pihl-players-of-the-week-dec-8-2019/?platform=hootsuite
  16. Last week
  17. They call it “Pen & Friends” for a reason! Tryouts were a joke for that group.
  18. Let me first say that I’m completely mind boggled with the score outcome of the Norwin game. Personally, if I was the coach, I would have done everything in my power to make it a respectable win. Good sportsmanship being the key. That said, this list is a PIHL Disciplinary report of MAJOR INCIDENTS . All other points listed are serious issues. #9 is not! Beating another team by 17 only makes the coaches look like DB’s, the school district look bad and the players look bad. #9 should not be on the list. Fights, ref confrontations, coaches, parents and/or players being idiots, rowdy people in the stands etc, should be on the list.
  19. Any comment @RedRidingHood ? {insert sound of crickets here}
  20. Wow. Thanks for sharing that report. I am going to go play the lottery since my prediction that parents will not be permitted to watch is now within the refs hands. Section b under security guards allows them to remove a whole section of spectators, regardless of whether you did anything or not. I saw this happen at a recent tournament in New York, so I bet it isn't a new idea. A 14 year old ref made a whole section leave and he wouldn't drop the puck till they left. There were two dads complaining about calls in that section...I think one from each team. A parent from the NY team told me that all youth sports were cracking down in the area after a fight at a high School basketball game that resulted in numerous injuries. That young ref wasn't messing around. He called a pretty good game, too. Removing parents might be effective. The majority of parents who don't behave badly might speak up against the ones that do, not wanting to get kicked out, or urge their organization to prevent that person from coming. Policing from within.
  21. The above post is from the PIHL's report in Dec. 2019. It reflects two of the incidents discussed on this thread.
  22. LIST OF MAJOR INCIDENTS THIS SEASON 2019-2020 1. A Greensburg Salem parent threw a bottle of water from the top of the seating section at an Indiana player on the ice during a Varsity game. a. The incident was caught on video, and when presented to the Greensburg Salem association, they said that their parents had already told them that the bottle of water was thrown… by the opposing student section. 2. A Moon parent went on the ice during a post-game altercation in a Varsity game between Moon and Plum. This parent gave the middle finger to the opposing spectators, argued with the rink manager about being ejected from the building, then tried to avoid the security guard by returning to the far end of the seating section. The same parent gave a lengthy list of excuses in a subsequent email about why his behavior was justified. a. The Plum parents from the same Varsity game between Moon and Plum screamed at the Moon players as they exited the ice surface, then yelled at a Moon coach because they were upset by some of the players giving them the middle finger. b. An Avonworth parent who witnessed the altercation in the Moon-Plum game sent an email to the PIHL to state his belief that the referees and security guard “lost control” during the altercation and that the referees should be reprimanded. There were only 2 referees on the ice – one of whom was bleeding from the mouth because he was hit in the face by a stick – and at least 16 players on the ice. The security guard was positioned at the player runway to the locker room, where he was supposed to be. 3. A Neshannock parent confronted a referee in the parking lot after a Varsity game, and the parent’s son allegedly suggested that he was going to bring his gun to future games. a. A police incident had to be filed for this matter. 4. Peters Township parents stood in a manner that surrounded a broadcast crew from North Allegheny during a Varsity game, and their yelling throughout the game disrupted the broadcast crew on multiple occasions. a. A league official tried to prevent those parents from using the locker room hallway to exit the seating area after the game since they were clearly angry and disobedient and should not have been allowed near players. Three of the parents were uncooperative and attempted to push their way by, which would have put them among players of the opposing team. 5. A Cathedral Prep parent blocked the referees from exiting the ice surface, demanding that they answer questions for her because she is a “SafeSport rep.” She began berating the officials and standing in their way of getting to their locker room over an incident in the game where a Cathedral Prep player was penalized for shooting the puck after a goal and nearly hitting one of the referees in the face. 6. A Wilmington parent entered the official’s locker room after a Middle School game to complain to the officials about how he felt the game was called. 7. A photographer overheard a conversation between parents of opposing teams at a game between Wheeling Park and Wheeling Catholic. One parent told the other parent that he was going to punch his team’s head coach in the face because his kid was not getting enough playing time, adding that the worst thing he felt that he would get for doing that is a fine. 8. A Gateway Middle School coach loudly told a player on his bench that he will “knock you the f*** out” and then hit the kid on the helmet. The coach then told a PIHL Game Coordinator that he can do whatever he wants because it’s his kid. 9. Norwin scored 5 goals in the third period of a game in which they were already winning 12-0 through two periods, out-shooting the opponent 16-1 in that third period. The top scorers for Norwin were involved in most of the third period goals. The final score was 17-0 in a game in which the opponent only had 8 skaters and no wins on the season. a. Several of the goals scored in the third period included celebrations by Norwin players. b. The Norwin coaching staff attempted to defend these actions on two different phone calls with the Commissioner’s Office. 10. The entire Upper Saint Clair student section moved to the Mt Lebanon seating section in the second period of a Varsity game at Ice Castle. When the security guard asked an Upper Saint Clair parent if the students who were sitting in the other section were from USC, the parent said, “Yeah, isn’t that funny?”
  23. I bet some quit playing, too. They lose interest once they feel like they aren't going anywhere, go to college, etc.
  24. I'm speaking out of my butt but I'm assuming a lot of the Pens local losses come when they go from two teams to one and start bringing in kids from outside PA. Once that happens you lose 3/4 of the kids who have played Pens elite from squirts up. The imports play here 2-3 years then go to Juniors or other places when they turn 17 so you are left with a small team who doesn't. Meanwhile the kids who were cut have moved on to other "AAA" programs and you are stuck trying to get either the kids you cut a couple years ago to come back OR getting new kids who may not be as good as the ones you cut and now don't want to come back to your program.
  25. Rhetorically speaking... How can the 18u ppe have a tryout with plenty of kids to choose from and then end up with such few kids and such a bad team (by ppe standards)? Didn’t they know or at least have an idea of the kids that would be leaving? Was it even a legitimate tryout (does such a thing even exist)? Who has benefited from this hockey disaster? There are so many more questions to ask, eh?
  26. I agree with you about being able to find officials. My son is now finished with his playing career and has become a referee. He enjoys it so far but I wonder if/when he will have enough of the parents and coaches and decide stop working games. I found this statistic later on in the report: Over half of the officials who skated PIHL Varsity playoff games in 2016 were no longer skating PIHL games by the 2019 playoffs.
  27. " I wonder if any 8u’s have ever received a match?" yes, i've seen and know a couple. and to put it into perspective what it takes, when my son was like 6 or 7 he got a kid in a head lock and took him down like he was roping a calf. they made him sit the rest of the period then he was back in. 8u's get a lot of leeway, until it comes to stick work. where we did our ADM with my youngest they would split the kids up in practice, so you would meet the parents on the other teams while the kids were working together. I made lots of friends with "opposing" parents and would stand with them when our kids played against each other. last weekend i ran into one of those families. our kids played against each other for 3 years of ADM, never teammates, but we became friends.
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