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  1. 9 points
    It’s odd but parents of local 04’s seem to be really out of touch, don’t understand the path’s and honestly just assume there is college hockey spots begging to be filled. Having a 99 and 02 I’ve never seen anything like it. Sure, we all as parents in the early days think “maybe my kid can do it” but around the age of 14 you become educated on the paths, how much work & dedication outside of hockey is needed, Class room, nutrition, gym, how much more specialized instruction is needed. Both my kids were fortunate enough through out the years to play for PPE and one of them played for both PPE and esmark. My best guess here, these 04 parents (outside of the ppe parents) probably have never seen high end youth players, I assume this because you look at team like Lebo (Pahl team for years) and the 04 preds (doesn’t appear any of them played tier 1 at ppe or esmark ever from what I’ve read here) these parents Just assume they are playing “aaa” so off to the show they go. It’s bizarre that this certain BY parents seem to be so far behind the curve. I know some 05 and 06 parents who already get it and understand things. My 99 was a talented dman, he had a legitimate chance to play in the ushl. When it came down to it, he did not have the dedication to keep pushing after 17 years old and that’s ok. He was selected in the ushl futures draft. Went to one REAL camp, came home and said “dad what’s the point there are so many players out there with my talent and even more - they won’t even end up playing d1 I’m ready to get on with my life next year and just goto college, Where does this lead even if I get into d1 ? Stuck playing at a school you are still paying for that I might not even want to goto” nothing there for me to argue, he was spot on. He saw the talent, knew he would have to work harder and for what, to play at a school when he is 20 that he might not even want to be at. Yes you parents reading this, the majority of NCAA hockey players are not on a scholarship, most are not even on half scholarships and you better have a 4.0 with a high sat score so you can get some non athletic money. I have my theories but can’t really explain why the 04 BY parents are this crazy and uneducated. Due to my kids birth years out in the open now, where they played and the ushl draft I’m sure many readers will figure out who I am. That might be a good thing 🙂 or maybe not 🙂 but I’ll leave all the readers with Ncaa scholarship dreams with this : we have a very close friend playing ncca college hockey at a major big 10 university (not some small school like rmu). This player made the USA hockey select camps every year, almost had a spot on the national team. Very talented high end player who also has the size. He only had to play one year in the USHL. He’s a junior this year, he’s considered one the starting 5 on the team, he’s only on a partial scholarship for hockey. His parents are paying 32k a year for him to goto this university that costs roughly 58k a year to live at and attended. In comparison his girlfriend at the same university is only paying 18k due to multiple academic scholarships, she plays no sports, Just an average (smart) college kid. They player I’m speaking about, after he’s done, he will be in the work force, he’s got ZERO interest from any pro team at any level in North America even though he’s a top player from a high level Ncaa program. Sorry to crush so many dreams with one post but this is the reality of college hockey.
  2. 5 points
    One struggles mightily to understand how a discussion about the merits of installing an ice rink - 1) in the City of Pittsburgh and 2) at the Hunt Armory specifically -could devolve into an argument about the relative intelligence or manliness of the forum participants. It's hard to get any value out of the any of the more serious discussions here with this sort of reduction to the absurd going on. This was actually one of the more healthy discussions on the forum until about ten messages ago. Put them away, boys. And, as someone said elsewhere, stop feeding the animals.
  3. 5 points
    Well if it matters, I still have no idea who you are! Anyway, I hope the readers of this board realize that this post is what constitutes a well informed and experienced post. This helps people. Read what he says about academics. Read what he says about his older son not being willing to work for it. None of that makes him a bad kid. But it shows that the human element can never be taken out of the development process. And that includes pushing the holistic development of the player. Not just driving them to the trainer. That means a 24 hour a day commitment. Academics. Nutrition. Conditioning. On and off ice. And that’s not even considering whether the natural ability is there or not. Having said that, it’s not wrong to push kids to strive for the best they can be at all those elements, even if there is no athletic scholarship or career on the other side. Maybe through academic scholarships and learning to push themselves, they achieve something the top BY players in the area never will. But be smart about it. Don’t live beyond your means and know when it’s time to make good decisions. Good job @Danner27
  4. 4 points
    Get the fuck out of here with your morally superior bullshit! FAR MORE times have kids and families been screwed over and lied to by these organizations and the scum bag coaches that they chose to run their teams! Kids and families are routinely held hostage to these terrible people over their “commitment”. Countless kids ride the bench and get treated like shit at the hands of these money hungry or WIN driven coaches and organizations! Pathetically, it’s not just at the tier 1 level either! There is zero loyalty from organizations as they shamelessly take thousands of dollars out of the hands of families. Families who are paying for a service, for their sons or daughters to be taught the game of hockey and more importantly to be treated with respect! Shut the fuck up and go ahead and be proud of yourself and your family values. But don’t sit here and project your bullshit onto other people for doing what’s best for their family too! Asshole
  5. 4 points
    You do sound like a dick. People on this forum either complain that kids are playing for faux AAA teams or shit on them when they play AA, work hard and earn the right to play at Tier II nationals .
  6. 4 points
    I have this mental image that @fafa fohi and @The King are the same bi-polar person arguing with himself.
  7. 3 points
    It's clear that it's personal with you. Whatever USA Hockey did to you... it's personal. You've said your peace over and over on this forum. We get it. Now, on behalf of the people who just want to read and talk about local hockey, we'd all wish you'd put it to rest. It's a tired message. Focus on the positive. Focus on local. Please.
  8. 3 points
    This comment didn’t age well
  9. 3 points
    @Danner27 do you know every player in Western PA?
  10. 3 points
    Easy, all 9-year olds are AA
  11. 3 points
    Don't show up unless your mites are elite!
  12. 2 points
    Eddie, nobody is a fan of the Pens here but it’s not just them. The practice of pre forming teams isn’t even restricted to AAA. I would say 99% of teams at all levels in all areas have the core of their roster chosen way before they even announce tryouts. It’s a pre-requisite now. That’s how some determine whether they will have teams or not. But the fact that teams who’s tryouts are highly attended do this is more irresponsible and incompetent than corrupt. They’re using it as a fund raiser sure. But they’re also dumb to pass over a good player to take a friend. I would say the Tier 2 teams that do it are as dumb as you can be. Plus that’s where the competitiveness comes in. Not in playing the game. But if AA team 1 takes players from AA team 2, coaches and parents are pushing that as the competition. And that’s not true competition. That’s just jealousy.
  13. 2 points
    You said your kids aren't playing anymore. Obviously this guys are. Seems to me that makes him more relevant than you. Back under the bridge with your troll ass.
  14. 2 points
    Richard☝️☝️☝️
  15. 2 points
    Maybe this will finally allow tryouts and team formations to permanently take place in the fall. Amateur plays In fall and high school plays in winter? Silver lining ? One can dream.
  16. 2 points
    Yes, it was a controversial, unsavory decision on that hiring. That same organization has obviously heard the outcry, and strengthened its stance on the issue of discrimination. It increased the severity in disciplinary measures for expressed prejudice. It formed a new outreach program led by a national director of diversity and inclusion. Let's really own our stance though. Well before SafeSport and well before that hiring, and for as long as I can remember, race and gender have been hot topic at every national meeting, every district meeting, and even occasionally at our local meetings. Even as recent as January - the local league executive director outlined a need for a diversity & inclusion committee to assess and act in our market. Numerous match penalties were handed out this season under the new ruling mentioned above. So yeah, one high profile wart vs thousands of people governed and positively guided by national membership policy. But let's burn it all down per the King. And regarding your disciplinary report, it's probably a good thing that you didn't get it. There are summarized discipline reports handed out all the time at district and local level meetings. Why didn't you just work through your local member association to obtain? Was the answer going to be a definitive go-pound-salt? And who the heck asks for this kind of stuff anyway? It seems you've got some more ax to grind, in which case I have to applaud the governing body's position.
  17. 2 points
    Mid Am is supposed to issue something for all levels of hockey and try outs. I hope we get to a point where this will still matter soon. Every day you hear something where the amount of time gets longer. Now we are into summer, with school districts seeming to start to gear up for closing for the rest of the year. Maybe the next time I invite my kid out to skate with me and I warn him it might be the last for a while, he will listen and join me. Keep healthy, everyone,
  18. 2 points
    This is assuming that everything post-virus is status quo. I just don't see that being the case. Starting at the Tier 1 level, PPE and Esmark mainly, are people going to be so quick to make that huge financial commitment? For some, and maybe many, there is the reality that hockey gets axed from the family budget. I definitely see this having a major impact on the sport both Nationally and locally alike. Perhaps it will help to fix a few things and keep more teams playing more local hockey instead of the independent Tier 2 and faux AAA schedules. Unfortunately, it's also going to create a decrease in the number of participants next season. You will also see a lot more "choices" being made between School hockey and amateur hockey. No longer will there be as many players able to make the financial commitment to both teams.
  19. 2 points
    Here’s how this will work most likely: PPE will announce their post-Virus tryout schedule Other organizations will attempt to schedule in the week to 10 days that follow
  20. 2 points
    From a PIA email: Our staff has taken increased steps to ensure a safe environment for our customers, and public areas will be disinfected on a regular basis. So one positive out of this pandemic is that they may actually clean that filthy rink.
  21. 2 points
    I agree. Whether or not they are the same person, one thing is clear: it's not worth feeding their fire by responding to them just to argue about who is a parent on a team. They both say things worth debating from time to time, but in the end those discussions seem to always turn to accusations that the other party in the discussion is a parent on the team, as if that is somehow sufficient to invalidate whatever that person may be saying. I'd love to debate hockey topics here, and not have to spend time arguing about whose kid plays on what teams. That's not worth discussing, except where it has an actual bearing on a conversation rather than merely being intended to somehow belittle a parent. For the record, my kids don't play for ANY of these organizations, and are both A players. I enjoy this discussion board when there are useful discussions about hockey and related topics. I don't see how arguments about who has the bigger stick are useful. It's best to just ignore the boorish behavior (when it happens, and from anyone) rather than giving the guys who post that stuff what they want: attention. Just my $0.02.
  22. 2 points
    Yes I just realized that when I read Faga Fohi’s post in another forum. Now it makes sense. Pretty pathetic and desperate l. I’m done wasting my time responding to that person with 2 monikers. Thanks for the head check.
  23. 2 points
    Having a tough time digesting the fervor behind this mindset. Is it ignorance towards the severity of this health crisis or is it the ignorance of the "bulldozer parents" who shall let nothing stand in the path of what Jimmy deserves? I mean, I get it. It sucks. It sucks bad, but to have such tunnel vision is hard to understand.
  24. 2 points
    No pony in the race but you joined the forum in Monday and have almost exclusively posted in this thread regarding these 2 teams? Come on man. Be better. You’re right, it is a positive to have 2 teams with coaches that have a built in player base. You know how much money that guarantees for a budget? No drama? Come on man. Do you think it was people outside of these 2 teams that started the debate on these teams? My guess is drama all year long. Wait until some get strong armed into joining the Tier 1 team. Or players that weren’t good enough are cut for better 03 or 04 players. Thanks for the entertainment newbie
  25. 2 points
    Particularly sad for kids who made it but are playing in their last year of youth/women's hockey. Please sign the petition - maybe they will at least bring back 18u youth/19u women.
  26. 2 points
    If you are looking for the Mid-Am Schedule for 2020, here are all the schedules all in one place. Unfortunately, some of these pages aren't fully populated yet. Hopefully soon. Tier I Youth 18u https://www.midamhockey.com/page/show/5022918-18u-tier-1-youth Tier I Youth 16u https://www.midamhockey.com/page/show/5022920-16u-tier-1-youth Tier I Youth 15u https://www.midamhockey.com/page/show/5022921-15o-tier-1-youth Tier I Youth 14u https://www.midamhockey.com/page/show/5022922-14u-tier-1-youth Tier I Girls 19u https://www.midamhockey.com/page/show/5022923-19u-tier-1-girls-women-s Tier I Girls 16u https://www.midamhockey.com/page/show/5022926-16u-tier-1-girls-women-s Tier I Girls 14u https://www.midamhockey.com/page/show/5022939-14u-tier-1-girls-women-s Tier II Youth 18u/16u/14u https://www.midamhockey.com/page/show/5022943-west-pa-18-16-14 Tier II Girls 19u https://www.midamhockey.com/page/show/5022951-19u-tier-2-girls-women-s Tier II Girls 16u https://www.midamhockey.com/page/show/5022952-16u-tier-2-girls-women-s Tier II Girls 14u https://www.midamhockey.com/page/show/5022953-14u-tier-2-girls-women-s High School Western PA https://www.midamhockey.com/page/show/5022958-west-pa
  27. 2 points
    Just watch, all local rinks will close for awhile in April.... except Ice Castle — that is my prediction
  28. 2 points
    All of this doesn't even touch on the disastrous effects Pens Elite hockey has had on girls' hockey in the region.
  29. 2 points
    The only thing stopping the PAHL teams from doing it are the PAHL teams. For starters, if the coach doesn't want to do it then it won't happen. The organization also has to give them extra ice slots for practice and independent games. That may not be possible. If it is possible then you got to pay more. Does everyone want to pay more? Not always the case. Sometimes, parents are happy to play AA and a couple of tournaments. And lastly, they need prime practice slots since kids are likely traveling some distance to get there. If you are having a high level AA team your team probably isn't home grown. All of this makes the other teams in the organization mad and jealous.
  30. 2 points
    Everyone that knows anything about local hockey, the history and how things operate are laughing at this post.
  31. 2 points
    I’ll second that! This board is so stupid anymore. Many of you think that you are the king of hockey,, you got your thumb on the pulse, that you know everything and your word is 100% true facts. Opinions are only opinions. I’ve got opinions also. The bonus for me is that my opinion could possibly be changed from a civil conversation. That doesn’t happen very often on here. Best of luck to all who won today. Esmark Stars, Pittsburgh Pens Elite, Ohio Blue Jackets, Cleveland Barons, Pittsburgh Predators, Arctic Foxes, Steel City Ice Renegades.
  32. 2 points
    I hate the BY model. I am the middle school coach for a local team and I have several 06 players who are on a winning BY travel team, a playoff team, a large organization team. They are the best players on their travel team. I watched a few of their AA games and was shocked at the disparity between top player and bottom player, and those in between. It looked no different to me than the disparity that you see on all Tier 3 middle school teams. The top 3-4 players on the team carried the others and that's not good for development of anyone. If these top 06 players had been placed on a team with the better 05 players in the organization it would have been much more beneficial to their development. Likewise, the "lesser" skilled 06 players would have benefited from playing with other "lesser" skilled 05 players. In other words, several of these kids should have been on A Major teams with mixed age rather than BY AA. I realize this is a common theme in all of the posts here, I'm simply agreeing with it wholeheartedly. I think Saucey's response was spot on. FWIW, I do not have a son on my middle school team. For my son, (he's a midget player), I've always wanted him to be on a team where he is in the middle of the pack talentwise... a few players better, and a few who are weaker.
  33. 2 points
    That might be the craziest thing I've ever heard haha. So you're saying if the team name was Butler Valley Dogs and didn't have a "ghetto logo" (not sure what you even mean by that), you would've let your kid play there? Regardless of the coaching, player development, success of the organization, etc.
  34. 2 points
    About 20 years too late.
  35. 2 points
    Now that is some red meat. My guess is this thread goes to around five pages. Commence feeding......
  36. 2 points
    Clearly PAHL needs an 05 AAA division
  37. 2 points
    And now we know where the snowflake was formed
  38. 2 points
    What a convoluted mess.
  39. 2 points
    In your comments here, you pointed out the exact reason why it will exist. PAHL is somewhat to blame for this since they created the faux AA Major and AA Minor divisions at 14U. All it did was allow for these birth year teams to form for what was a very short window until Midgets. Now that they are done with Bantam, they aren't good enough to be 16U AA and don't want to be in a mixed 16A division, so this is their alternative. Yes USA Hockey does not recognize 15U as a separate level outside of Tier 1, but creating the road to nowhere in PAHL helped to raise this issue as the first birth year going through this process reaches Midget level.
  40. 1 point
    yes, and more allegations and more hearsay. And still zero evidence.
  41. 1 point
    Final warning for everyone on this thread. We can hold a discussion here without being potty mouthed.
  42. 1 point
    I’ll just say that I’m in favor of the development of a young athlete. I’m not interested in getting dragged into some debate over when winning becomes the most important thing. Competition is of course one of the key aspects of a player’s development. My loyalties are to God, family and country! It’s not to the Icemen, Ppe, etc. So, in my opinion, people should make decisions that they believe are in the best interest of their children and family. I certainly don’t think it’s fair to judge, ridicule, or blackball those people who leave. People SHOULD BE and ARE held accountable for services rendered, which is up to the point where you leave. Again, far more organizations and coaches have failed to live up to the expectations of what families should receive for their sons and daughters. When have the Icemen, PPE, Esmark Stars, Vengeance, etc etc been held accountable? Should people get a refund when their kid doesn’t play, when promises are broken or when expectations aren’t met? If so, ppe should give those 18u people their money back right now! Look this shit is corrupt as fuck! Last thing I wanna hear is some kiss ass (hockey22) preach his self righteous arrogance about how people should honor their commitment. Fuck that shit!
  43. 1 point
    Lol OSU sucks - I see what you did there. I’m pretty sure it’s the mom but I guess it could be the dad or both. They along with DM managed to cover up the pot scandal from the summer pretty quick. Remember that topic got deleted here.
  44. 1 point
    I think it's to appease the parents that want a non-parent coach, promising that's what they'll get, but then not delivering on that promise.
  45. 1 point
    You’re really excited to have someone to agree with. Come on @Saucey calm down
  46. 1 point
    Yes that sounds exciting and very fulfilling having uncontested teams gain a spot at Nationals. Of course, the 40 team field wouldn’t really notice a team that didn’t earn its way there because it doesn’t sound like any of them really earn their way there. And based off of your Assessment, it sounds as if the expanded PAHL playoffs for ‘05’s was very exciting.
  47. 1 point
    I understand all that. Again it’s just a second Pahl championship tournament in the end with the occasional local indie team. Looking at midget - 18s it’s Pahl with the indie icemen, 16s are just all Pahl teams.
  48. 1 point
    I guess that would make me the technologically challenged one. Thanks.
  49. 1 point
    https://www.midamhockey.com/page/show/5022908-district-playoffs Click on the appropriate level and then the age for each group
  50. 1 point
    Birth year is a terrible idea for development of nine year olds. You live in Pittsburgh, not Toronto.
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