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  1. Good luck with whatever you decide to do, just know EVERY organization has good and bad, and no organization is free of the political bullshit that goes on - no matter what they or anyone else tells you.
    5 points
  2. I hate to be the pessimistic a$$hole here but none of this will matter because nobody will show up for the games and the program wont get the continued funding it needs and will be shut down again. Everyone wants to be a keyboard warrior for the program but when it comes to actually supporting the teams and showing up to the games, that's too much of an inconvenience. Or they come back and the arena is packed every night and they win the NCAA championship and Disney makes a movie about it.
    5 points
  3. Quad, I see that we basically agree..... I do get wound up over the folks here constantly putting down a major part of the backbone of youth hockey - "Dad\Parent Coaches". Pre ADM a lot of them simply stepped up when their kid was a mite or mini-mite simply because they needed a coach to have a team and learned as much as they could on the job. Some got good and other not so much. Over the last 40 odd years I've been a dad coach as well as a paid non-dad coach (long before I was a dad) and I've seen the full range of coaches from parent coaches to paid former NHLers. Some are great tacticians and game managers that could not teach the skills or the game to save their lives. Some of these were smart enough to fill out the coaching staff with coaches that could teach... others had egos that were too big and the kids suffered because of it. Some were very competent in both teaching and game management. These coaches were usually smart enough to choose assistants that filled roles and complemented each other. I've seen parent coaches that could not stand on skates but knew the game. They could communicate with the kids, teach the game, and sometimes manage the bench too. Others could teach the skills but had the hockey sense of a rock....... The community likes to put a saddle on the officials and ride them hard, but having lived my life on both sides of the boards I have to say that the USAH Officials education program is far and away better than the coaching program..... USAH coaching program is set up to force funnel coaches to level 4 on a time frame and in my opinion doesn't teach them a damn thing along the way. Oh the seminars have interesting speakers, but I don't recall seeing anything like some of the in depth discussion we had during upper level ref seminars. From the first seminar they should have discussions on how to teach each age group. There should be discussions of various drills that will teach skills and game situations. Discussions on how to set up practice plans to maximize ice use and avoid standing around. Discussions on setting up practice plans to best utilize full and half ice. By the time a coach gets to level 4 they should have a binder full of drills & notes, hours of discussion on how to utilize them and how to relate the skills to game situations. IMHO this is where we are sorely lacking.....
    5 points
  4. Well then for his sake, I guess it's a good thing that Pittsburgh has a f*ck ton of bridges....
    5 points
  5. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say this poster is just trying to stir up some trash talk so I'll bite. I have heard on here that the PHA Icemen have a great AA program, AND you get a bonus A to go along with it!!
    5 points
  6. Which team specifically? From an organizational stand point they are the favoritism type. The kids that get the best looks and ice time are the ones who’s parents worship at the alter. They are known to play loose and fast with the rules, have parents manipulate game clocks, argue with refs, fight in the stands, and tout a higher level of play than what they can produce. My experience with them both have being involved at one point to playing against/coaching against them and being a visiting parent dates back to 2004 and ranges from mites to midgets. It’s seems like it’s the same stuff every year. Coaching wise they have some good coaches in their system, they also have some that don’t mind having their palms greased to give a kid some extra ice time. Lately my experience with their younger teams (mites and squirts) has been mostly positive, aside from the occasional too intense mite parents which you’ll find everywhere.
    4 points
  7. Last season. U16 AA if I recall correctly. my kids had friends from U18 waiting lto play after. It’s was during the tier 2 district tournament at delmont. My boys got sent some snap chat videos of the parents fighting. There was a predator mom who got tossed yelling at armstrong kids leaving the ice during the ice cut. She was completely out of control and had a crew with her fighting with everyone. I believe they attacked a one legged armstrong parent or something. Maybe handicapped, can’t recall. On the ice the kids were out of control getting beat, high five’n each other for running armstrong players. yes one kid did punch a ref. U18 AA having a line fight against someone last season. I think the huskies ? U16 “AAA” 2 years ago - the goalies dad came here and posted under his real name to clear the air about the stuff going on with that team. The owner coached the team that season, kids quit because he wouldn’t kick a kid off the team who bought weed in Canada along with another player and parents. A few trouble maker players, team imploded. Goalie quit and a few other kids if I recall correctly. I am not fan, but not so much due to the above reasons even though they add to my feeling on this club. They could have a good program and possibly make the faux AAA more competitive if they would get the main coach out of there. He’s in it solely for the money. Puts kids on “AAA” teams that can’t make pahl AA teams elsewhere because these kids take lessons form this coach, a coach that coaches multiple birth year faux AAA teams over there. Currently that place is a money making shit show. The “AAA” is a complete joke. It’s laughable how bad it is. Out of district play off contention every year in the first month of the season.
    3 points
  8. Couldn't agree more.
    3 points
  9. 3 points
  10. And all these Faux AAA teams besides Pens and possibly Esmark will never be competitive until politics are set aside and the best players are chosen. Obviously, I that will never happen so your best bet to play at a higher level is make Pens/Esmark or leave Pittsburgh and roll the dice.
    2 points
  11. There was a video (or at least a livebarn time and date, I cant completely remember) posted here not that long ago which showed Preds players playing dirty after the whistle and resulted in one player punching a ref. It also resulted in the parents brawling in the stands. If you are asking as an outsider looking in maybe thinking of moving to the area or possibly changing organizations, I would suggest you look elsewhere unless that kind of atmosphere is your thing. Just my .02 as some random hockey dad on the internet.
    2 points
  12. didn't they lose a decent amount of players to transfers ? Something like 7-10 kids and it was the better ones too.... Guess a bunch of club kids will move up for a season. BUT who in their right mind would wanna go there after this rug pull?
    2 points
  13. I believe that there were studies done.... I don't know\remember details anymore. It may have been a result\recommendation of the various concussion studies that recommended that we try to limit the potential of brain injury due to collision\contact based on and age-development curve.
    2 points
  14. I respectfully disagree, but I guess there are two sides to every argument. My thought is that if there were great advantages to playing the puck "creatively" in the neutral zone without delayed offsides, NHL hockey would look alot different already since they'd have found the most creative possible ways to play the puck. Instead, the NHL guys more or less do the same regroup that squirts would do when they can make a cross ice pass on losing the zone, and dump it around like every proponent of this rule change is saying we'd be better off not doing when the cross ice pass is not there. In short, it's my view that if there were great creative ways to play the puck in response to a delayed offsides that didn't involve dumping it, we'd have seen them already at the highest level of play, because those guys are the best in the world and they find the best ways to do things pretty fast. There are going to be a bunch of offsides calls which will slow games down and make them longer, and when a player is left hanging without a teammate to pass to just outside the line, they'll either dump the puck and take the offside, end up giving up possession, or take a big hit and then give up possession. Also, it's not clear to me that "dump and chase" is always a dumb, or uncreative play. Again, I understand that there are always two sides, but this is my thinking on the subject.
    2 points
  15. I didn't realize Carey Price was moving to Pittsburgh. That would be the ONLY way they aren't at the bottom.
    2 points
  16. I paid $5. I learned three things : 1) people are really frigging whiny and I see how they teach their kids to be the same way. 2)I started to think this was a vengeance promo video. I am no Pens apologist but Brian Mueller is a fantastic coach and it's sad you acted like that pens checking clinic was bad. 3) roller hockey exists as does an RMU non checking league. Check it out.
    2 points
  17. @sadday4hockey I'm following you. That year they had the varsity "tournament team" All kids left NP who played NA hockey that year. I believe it was 2018-19 season maybe? I remember that season and the talks around NA doing the hybrid PIHL/Tourney team and why players left amateur teams. So your statement appears accurate.
    2 points
  18. The scores of SHAHA games may have looked competitive, the games themselves really were not. At least not against the better teams. As for Allegheny, it's a tough call but it must have been fine developmentally as the were competitive at 14U States.
    2 points
  19. Wow!! A new record. Labor Day was the previous record for someone to begin talking about the next season's tryouts. Now we've gone all the way to July 1st? SMFH
    2 points
  20. It's one thing to be happy with coaching, and another to know what you're looking at.
    2 points
  21. Wholeheartedly agree. Just don't have the numbers around here. Field your best team and be done with it.
    2 points
  22. This happens often enough to rise to the level of a pet peeve for me.
    2 points
  23. And here we go........making up bullshit to try to make a point. You have just referenced Fauci saying "wear a mask forever" and referenced wearing "three masks".....he never said any of those things now did he? Don't mix up opinions with facts. The COVID variant has now appeared in over 80 countries, but by your logic Fauci made it up. LOL. And this being his "fifteen months of fame?" Dude - he has served under six Presidents. Sorry folks, the derailment of a once interesting hockey topic is now officially off the tracks. Thanks @dazedandconfused - nice effort.
    2 points
  24. We had quite a run of non-idiotic posts about COVID, who created it and who didn't care if people died because they probably died from something else. The string is broken - it was fun while it lasted.
    2 points
  25. This year may just be that a lot of players have opted for their HS teams only. Think about what these rising Seniors have been through, the end of their Sophomore year and majority of their Junior year have been completely f'd up. Things may go back to more normalcy if we don't fall victim to the Fauci variant that he's creating.
    2 points
  26. I could not agree more, however nowadays parents of 6-12 year olds seem to forget that while it’s non checking, hockey is still a CONTACT sport. I can’t tell you how many times I have seen mite parents throw an all out tantrum over their kid getting knocked into the boards. If an 85lb kid and a 50lb kid are going hard into the corner for a puck and rub against each other what do they expect is going to happen? I hate this whole mentality of teaching players to not be aggressive. Minnesota Made does it right with their Choice Hockey program. They introduce checking at squirts in stages.
    2 points
  27. cost-free ... that's funny!
    1 point
  28. Sounds familiar. I also seem to remember recommendations to increase neck strength to help reduce the whiplash effect.
    1 point
  29. Yes, Absolutely agree..... Likely a byproduct of an ADM skills in small areas mentality and most folks (mis)understanding of the full development model.) Like I said, "We need to teach the teachers mo-better than we have been."
    1 point
  30. I agree that's why I put it in quotes. Easy way to summarize but in that discussion we were talking about coaches who never played and don't really know the game. Often their strategy turns into telling one or two of the top skaters to go score and they start teaching really bad habits really early. Being a dad or not is irrelevant, as I guess is playing if you don't have a coaching sense.
    1 point
  31. Unfortunately that's because a majority of coaches have a win now attitude instead of a developing hockey players attitude. Some of this ties into our "dad coaches" discussions. This also ties into the kids who excel at mites and squirts (and peewees sometimes) and fall off the map as they get older.
    1 point
  32. I'd believe you pulling a rabbit out of a hat more than what you post on this board. And you are accurate. People know the truth. Unfortunately you appear to not be one of them. Head back to Facebook for your rants. And to quote some youth baseball coach in Pittsburgh who I can't remember his name, but will never forget his quote "you can't cross a bridge if you burn it down...and by the way, fire spreads"
    1 point
  33. I would say it's a matter of optics. But a case could be made that the equipment at the older kids' sizes is more protective.
    1 point
  34. It’s always 99.9% PPE kids that get pushed through to the final camp from western pa. some are deserving, others not so much. a few years back, culver went nuts on mid am & USA hockey. Culver had a big stud defenseman that didn’t get out of the sylvannia camp. I believe this kid is in the ushl right now. His name escapes me at the moment. Anyway, PPE pushed a enormous amount of kids though that year. Needles to say I don’t think one PPE kid that year made it to the all star weekend, they were all cut after the first two days. Even the guy running PPE kid got cut that first day. Some say it was USA hockey making a point that mid am let PPE control the camp, the best kids from the Sylvania camp didn’t get out of it.
    1 point
  35. Loved the documentary! It was a balanced look at a complicated issue. The tell-tale sign of someone who has no idea what they are talking about is that they think they have all the answers. I like that you didn't try and present some perfect solution. I for sure would love to see a followup. I certainly don't have all the answers but my gut feeling would be to introduce checking at the 10U level when even the largest kids on the ice usually top out at less than 100 pounds. But then at the same time have extreme penalties for leaving your feet, making any contact whatsoever with the head, hitting anything except front of jersey, and be super harsh and picky about boarding. I think kids need to develop these skills before they hit puberty. Would also teach awareness to the head down tiny forwards. Football is certainly an easier sport to learn than hockey, but kids are tackling and learning how to tackle at a young age. You always have really good athletes that start football later, maybe middle school or high school. Oftentimes these kids excel eventually but for the first month or so they are a danger to themselves and others. They don't yet know how to tackle or be tackled, but they are big, fast, and strong. It's dangerous for everyone. Some work through that, others get hurt and never play again. My thoughts could easily end up being wrong.
    1 point
  36. AAA and Forbin -thanks for the feedback. I really appreciate you taking the time to watch it. You could be right about instilling the fear in my own kid ... but If my daughter hadn't gone through her 1st year of checking (with him as a witness) with two players quitting the game (who were very good players and my son looked up to) I would agree even more. I am grateful to him for being brave enough to share his real emotions and fears about it. I think it will help younger players who may or may not have the same feelings. I tried not to make definitive statements about checking itself rather convey exactly what I felt at the time. The Pens clinic was a terrific start for checking, the thought at the time was however, they are all going to need a lot more practice/reps...it was also helped me transition to two more checking clinics (which may have felt more repetitive) "They were going to need a lot more than this..." led to more checking clinics. If I was going to make a definitive statement on checking itself .... 1. For a player to enter their first year of checking they have to have been skating for at least _____________ years (3 or 4?) . So that would move checking down in a lot of cases. I have seen a lot of players try to start playing at 12 and 13 and then go into checking the next year. That is when it is the most dangerous in my opinion. However there are more non checking options now for them than even two years ago (Alpha did not have an option but does now). 2. While in Detroit, we had a player this year get hit in the head and concussed. No penalty. The referees were upset that they didn't see anything and after a good conversation I learned that they have been begging USA Hockey to make It mandatory for all checking levels to have three officials. But in their opinion it will cost more money so they will not do it. I can tell you as an official that you simply miss calls every game, and that a head hit is one that we can't miss. 3. One part I didn't get to cover was there are a lot of places in Minnesota who are not in USA Hockey anymore and start checking right from the start. I would love to see how that experiment is working. But as you saw, most of Canada completely eliminated it at non-AAA levels. Which would have saved the players on my daughter's team (I think). Do I see a part 2!
    1 point
  37. Outside PPE U18 and Esmark U18, those other teams you mentioned are all in the same category. I don't think there will be much separation. Preds have had multiple U18AA teams for the last few seasons which isn't a surprise to anyone. I think it is more that they want to play Varsity and not travel. The Vengance U18AAA is full of 04s who were afraid they wouldn't make it on Preds U18AAA so the dad and friends jumped to start their own Vengance team. Icemen always end up starting AAA then dropping to AA so I'm not really sure why people sign up for that.
    1 point
  38. I concur. Watching my two boys play hockey for almost twenty years, I can’t even keep track how many times I’ve seen a bigger kid called for clean hits, gaining body position etc. if your kid pushes into that 6’2 & above range - forget it! Those kids can’t even rub anyone with out some sort of call. Now add this new rule, those bigger kids will be at a severe disadvantage the way refs currently call the game. I once saw a kid that was around 5’5 jump up to cross check a big kid in the head, the big kid turned around and cross checked the runt in the chest and sent him flying. The big kid got a roughing call, the runt nothing even though he made head contact. It’s how the refs treated Mario during his paying days. Just add a non checking - no contact division for players & parents that don’t want contact. USA Hockey can continue to collect their fees! This stuff is getting absurd!
    1 point
  39. And my understanding is that in a lot of cases, the families agree with you. However, they are being forced to use the extra A in order for ownership/coach/gym owner to collect their extra A worth of payments.
    1 point
  40. not one preds team is true AAA more like AAa
    1 point
  41. Agreed - once you are on that particular coach's "bad side" there is no point of return and said player's HS playing days are over.
    1 point
  42. This thread is nothing short of a.....
    1 point
  43. Yes, we do not really like the BY model ourselves. We feel it weakens the competition and the kids do not develope as much. However, so many parents scream for it without really understanding. Also there are a minimum of 4 06 players from NPGH on that iceman team.
    1 point
  44. Agreed with you totally. Also the referees don't help. I've seen 75 lb kids run into 100 lb kids at the peewee level and get larger kids called for a penalty when the larger kid is CARRYING THE PUCK.
    1 point
  45. The variant. The variant. Wear a mask forever. Wear 3 masks. Life will never be normal. I am Fauci. Heed my words. This is my 15 months of fame. Give me a break Fafa. The guy's a fraud and I just hope he isn't permitted to f these kids over again next year with this BS variant nonsense. If you think it's okay if he does, you're entitled to that opinion in a free country.
    1 point
  46. Waaaayyyy back when - the first time they got rid of delayed offsides at all levels, the reason stated was to force defensemen to have there heads up, stop\backup\regroup instead of just banging the puck in deep. I can attest that at that point in time most would just drive the puck in with their head down like they said. Intentional offsides was almost never called and probably should have been called on many occasions..... If the puck didn't do "directly to a defensive player" we were supposed to kill play and bring it out for a face off. Most officials didn't call it that way and allowed play to continue if it went if the puck wrapped around behind the net to the weak side winger. Not exactly how it was supposed to be called. Then they said it had to go to a defensive player before (IIRC) the top of the circle - I can remember NCAA having the same issues and actually put a line on the side boards that they wanted an immediate whistle for intentional offsides if it went below it. I can still remember the debates over what was legal and when to whistle the play. It was VERY inconsistently called and evolved into all was good as long as it wasn't on net and everyone cleared the zone. At that point in time I agreed with the assessment that it allowed players to be lazy and not work to develop skills. After a year or two I saw the skill and creativity increase (for some players). Did the skill and creativity regress again??? I dunno, you folks tell me. As for different rules once the players get to JR\College.... well if they are good enough to play at that level then they ought to be able to adjust to the different rules. As for whether it's good or bad for the game, having seen it flip-flopped a few times I figure that it should not matter if coaches adjust the way they have the team play and work to develop player skills. To those that say it will slow the game down, I say they gotta change the way they play.... tell the D to play several feet inside the blue line if being aggressive or back off to just inside the line and let your desired gap dictate when to give up the line if he isn't. Puts more pressure the D to be aware and manage his position better cuz they have to be able to pull the puck back and regroup rather than just bang it back in. I have seen a whole lot of really crappy passing made by the D over the past 15 years. Crappy D to D regroups, Crappy half-assed slap it up the boards in the direction of the winger break out attempts.... maybe they do need to do this, but I have no dog in this fight anymore and I'll just sit back with my beer n wings and watch the show..... Now as for icing while on the PK, good to get rid of it at all levels... It's a relic from when the Montreal Canadians had a world beating PP. Maybe a legit compromise is to make the shorthanded team gain the neutral zone before dumping it.
    1 point
  47. This is year 43 of “more emphasis on head contact, hits from behind etc” that still rarely gets properly enforced
    1 point
  48. The upper level games are going to get longer, especially since delayed offsides is permitted at high school games. I wonder if we will see an increase in curfew games.
    1 point
  49. All these rules lead to is a slower, choppier game.
    1 point
  50. I agree with @forbin. It's hard to imagine that they did what they did without a plan for selling the rink - why cancel the D1 programs if you plan to keep owning the ice? (The reverse - selling the facility but not cancelling the programs - would be MUCH more understandable, and it'll be much cheaper to rent ice for the club teams than it is to maintain the entire facility.) I don't have insider information here, but it would not surprise me to learn that they had a plan to cancel the D1 programs and sell the rink, possibly/probably including already knowing who would actually be buying the rink, at the time they were planning the basketball arena. I know this is pure unsupported conspiracy theory, but it just has the feel of a long term plan to stay relevant in D1 sports while transitioning to a less expensive sport.
    1 point
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