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  1. Hockey across the country has suffered a huge setback in hockey IQ due the overwhelming focus on skills, skills and more skills. Players need to be taught the basic concepts even at the youngest ages. Otherwise it's bee-hive hockey until well......... the beer league.
    6 points
  2. No issue whatever with your comment above, or in this thread. Personally, I feel the same in regards to your comment above. @fafa fohi you're a valuable contributor and thanks for your input. The issue I dealt with on this thread was specific to one family and one poster, and that has been dealt with. It is fair game to talk about this sort of "poaching". I have heard of AAA and AA teams (mainly AAA) doing these shenanigans at the end of the year, so that is not new to me at all. What needs to happen is people need to be made aware of this situation and think twice about patronizing teams - specifically in my mind - that cut players on 12/31 (or thereabouts), and swap in another player. That is very wrong in my opinion, unless there was some medical issue that the player was done for the season. Cutting young kids on 12/31 to swap in another player in my opinion is harmful to all those involved but USA Hockey will never look into these issues. If my player was busting their butt to play on an AAA team and then suddenly gets cut on 12/31, that creates a horrible situation for that player to find another team and be eligible for playoffs/nationals/etc. Midam and USAH really should review these cases individually and grant waivers where needed to prevent these players that were cut at the last minute from not having a team to play for immediately.
    5 points
  3. If I may......imagine the puck being in the middle of this mess.
    4 points
  4. This is well put. Let me make another point as well: just as there is a shortage of fast food workers and waiters that makes your wait time longer at restaurants and there is a shortage of flight attendants and pilots that cancel your flights there is an extreme shortage of referees. They are burnt out, tired of skating 10 games a weekend and every week night, and naturally you’re going to have less talented officials on the ice because that’s all that is available. Screaming at them and “punishing” them won’t help this scenario. And as much as you keep wanting to complain about the officiating, keep in mind that the soon arriving alternative is canceled games due to no officials being available. Food for thought on this chilly Saturday afternoon.
    3 points
  5. I make no judgement as to fault or responsibility regarding officials or security guards. But at a Mars game last night the on ice official threw the entire Mars student section out. I wasn’t at that end of the ice but play stopped until the student section left.
    3 points
  6. That montour run was the product of two players for the most part (yes - they did have a small supporting cast - this isn’t a slight at the other players - it’s pointing out how good these two players are) One defenseman who played in the NAHL right after HS who is now playing NCAA D1. One forward that started this season in the NAHL who is now playing in the NCDC. last season they didn’t do as well once the defenseman was gone but the forward still carried the team as well as he could to a playoff birth in class AA. the coach that quit really had nothing to do with the success of that little window. Any parent could have been on the bench and got the same results. How many varsity teams have an NCAA D1 capable defenseman ? None. You have to go back a long way, bartkowski ? Who played a season for lebo, or cliff ? Maybe our resident HS hockey historian will give us the data. the stud D with a dynamic “elite” forward - they ripped through class A to win the penguin cup.
    3 points
  7. Yes. 100%. I've had coaches that have rented out a dek hockey rink and worked with kids on positioning and knowing where to be if certain things happen. It is extremely beneficial. That being said, you cant really replicate the speed of the scenario on ice, unless you're on ice. To you point about standing around. I hate it too, and I see it a lot at these "skills" practices. Group of 8 kids waiting on one to finish doing a 6 step drill.
    2 points
  8. Not much has changed as far as the top teams but it is still great to see some local teams ranking so high Nationally. Latest Rankings: 18U - Arctic Foxes - 92.94 - 18th USA Tier 2 05's - Steel City - 91.61 - 6th USA Tier 2 06's - Allegheny - 90.07 - 5th USA Tier 2 07's - Allegheny - 91.06 - 7th USA Tier 2 08's - Steel City - 86.37 - 9th USA Tier 2 09's - SHAHA - 89.86 10's - Aviators - 85.02 11's - North Pgh - 88.00 12's - Preds - 84.56
    2 points
  9. How noble. Now, go find the additional referees somewhere, since so many are being chased out of the job by the general unpleasantness of it, mainly the "deserved criticism" from parents in the stands. Heck, I can't imagine why we'd need a third referee at all, since there are so many in the stands willing to step up by yelling over the glass.
    2 points
  10. I, as a parent that has worked hard to pay for my sons opportunity to play hockey, would be happy to pay more money not only for evaluations, but also another referee on the ice for games. Because I think it would make the game safer for all the kids playing. .
    2 points
  11. The referees absolutely should have been punished. If they can throw someone out for yelling at them, they can, and absolutely have the responsibility to throw out people that are abusing players. As a a matter of fact, I would suggest that referees fall under the mandatory reporter guidelines and should have reported this behavior to authorities themselves. This is also true of any USA Hockey and safesport mandatory reporter present. This abuse was not the “hey you suck” type of abuse. It was sexual in nature and therefore would fall as an event that requires mandatory reporting. The referees at the next Armstrong home game were excellent. They hustled and called penalties according to the rules. (Against both teams) They were not the same as the ones that did the Mars game.
    2 points
  12. If there was a yell, "hey ref you suck", I guarantee they'd be thrown out. I've seen it many times. So I don't buy any excuses from the refs. And while I'm on that: the refs have a hard job. But I'm tired of hearing, "we have such a hard time getting refs because they're abused". Sorry, it's part of the job. You can choose to control it, or ignore it. How hard is that? Oh, and a lot of the "abuse" is legit criticism for frankly some terrible officiating and total lack of controlling a game. Some of it is out of line and obviously unacceptable. Nobody's perfect and calls are going to be missed and bad calls made. But I've seen more abusive language hurled at the players than the refs, who I remind everyone, are children. Again, no one should be name-calling or threatening refs or anybody else. But lately in my observation this is just becoming an excuse to permit bad officiating. That said, I've seen many games that were called perfectly. Usually when I see who the refs are I know how it will go. And I agree, that guard shouldn't work a game ever again.
    2 points
  13. I knew about clackson & minella - Schwartz played acha. I didn’t know about the two QV players. So we are roughly at 9 players over the past 20 years. Some of these players go back to the old hornets days when you could play both tier 1 & Varsity. PPE has put a stop to that. Again, the point is - there are very very very very few ncaa d1 capable players playing western pa varsity hockey.
    2 points
  14. I don't know the coach, the Board or the players. But, looking at that Twitter account, they are better off without this coach. What an asshat to air that on social media. Show some class, dude.
    2 points
  15. I haven’t seen much varsity this year but what I did see last year definitely was not as good as the past. The pihl to me, looks like it’s been on a steady decline year over year for sometime. That’s probably a different topic. ACHA is a mixed bag. I’ve seen very weak M1 teams. I’ve seen M2 & M3 teams that would beat up on a good amount of our area M1. Sometimes ACHA classification doesn’t make much sense.
    1 point
  16. Due to low participation numbers, most competent 05s Pittsburgh kids have made the jump to Pittsburgh AAA. @Danner27 there are probably more first year midgets (06s) in 16uAA than 05s. Doesn't excuse sloppiness, lack of breakout, etc. but you are watching mostly younger kids. I'd say PAHL should just make a class AAA division, but ...
    1 point
  17. This is what the Pavel Barbers' of YouTube and tik tok have brought upon us. Now I'm not blasting the guy or saying the entertainment that kind of stuff gives is worthless... but in a real game of hockey, it is practically worthless. Excessive value put on individual carnival skills. Translates into over-stick handling, weaving in and out of the opposing players until the puck inevitably gets turned over, and pretty much no focus on puck support. On of the 14u teams my kid plays for has the most excruciatingly boring practices you'll ever see. But they're all in position during their games, and have a winning record so far largely because of it. Oh, and how much practice time to you ever see given to faceoffs, and who is to do what depending on what happens whether it's won or lost? How much practice time is given to utilizing the points in the offensive zone? Probably close to zero on both. Probably literally zero, actually, on the faceoffs.
    1 point
  18. Watched my niece this weekend. There was a Pahl 16u AA game prior. It’s like @fafa fohi stated. No break outs, just a convoluted mess around the puck no matter where the play was. it was most apparent when one team would gain control in the offensive zone. There was a few kids on each team I could tell had a decent hockey IQ - the problem the puck rarely came to these players who were playing more of a team / positioning game. Is cycling the puck down low a thing of the past for youth hockey ? It’s still a huge part of the pro game. To be honest, it was poor hockey to watch for that age. The speed wasn’t bad, the play was poor.
    1 point
  19. I'll go one step further, if you want them to learn positioning, have them play Basketball, Soccer and Lacrosse.
    1 point
  20. But I've watched some bad deck hockey as well. I'm pretty sure positioning doesn't come naturally. Seems it's something that really needs stressed.
    1 point
  21. Anytime I've coached younger kids we always used off ice to introduce systems and get the players to at least have an idea of where they should be going. I've watched a bunch of Pee Wee AA Major hockey this season because a friend has a son that plays at that level, and I still enjoy going to the rink. What is very noticable is what was commented on before, the lesser skilled players still allow themselves to follow their eyes to the puck, instead of understanding the idea of spacing, and how spacing can lead to chances. Prime example last weekend in one of these games when on winger stayed wide, while there were 5 players bunched together in a scrum, puck came free, the kid picked it up, and beat the defenseman wide for a breakaway goal. If that players doesn't recognize to stay wide and out of the scrum, there's ZERO chance that goal happens.
    1 point
  22. But isn't that something that could be worked on off ice? In the parking lot in the fall and then in quick ice sessions. One thing I don't like to see is kids standing around in a line waiting their turn for a drill.
    1 point
  23. It's so painful to watch too. It's understandable to a certain extent at mites and lower level squirts, but I have seen this type of playing style at PeeWee Major AA as recently as last weekend. The kids with hockey IQ are really easy to separate from the pack. There absolutely has to be more of an emphasis placed on positioning and team play across the board. The problem is the younger kids get bored with those practices and the parents may think its a waste of ice time to break things down that way.
    1 point
  24. When an entity whether it be a governing body like USA Hockey or a private company is a monopoly, there will always be problems like this. Protect the entity at any cost. Sort of like the CCP.
    1 point
  25. Saturday January 29th - you won't wanna miss this ! NOON - Tailgate at the S&T Bank Arena - House of King Samuel - Sam Kelly - IUP Crimson Hawks 4:00 PM - Ceremony for Sam Kelly 4:30 PM - IUP vs John Carroll - Webcast Live https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCu1TIkkgUIp5S3eRJYeruHQ
    1 point
  26. Sorry if I misunderstood you. Mostly we're on the same page.
    1 point
  27. Something that your statement touched on was players not getting called for penalties that have great potential to hurt someone. That is definitely one of the problems I see at the JV and varsity level. And it isn’t because they are young referees that don’t know what they are doing. I feel that is the opposite, in that some older referees refuse to call the game according to the updated head contact and checking rules. And as I said previously, if there is no evaluation of how referees call games, there is no way it will improve.
    1 point
  28. Sounds like you should start officiating. I will bet you never have. It is not as easy as it looks.
    1 point
  29. That's exactly it- no repercussions.
    1 point
  30. There are good and bad. The problem I see is that there are no repercussions for the bad. The lack of discipline for the refs involved in the Mars game is a prime example. And I feel that there needs to be evaluations done on all referees throughout the year. The current system does not do enough evaluation in my opinion.
    1 point
  31. We'll call it the 71D Hamilton Rivalry game. Teams can even share the same PAT bus. Convenient.
    1 point
  32. Thanks for the link. I had read about this earlier, but the only information given in the article was that he had fallen onto the ice and another player collided with him inadvertently. No other details were given. Terrible... My opinion on neck guards has been back and forth over the years. Most do not really provide much coverage, but I guess some protection might be better than nothing under certain circumstances. With that said, my son wears cut resistant materials from the neck down in all vulnerable areas.
    1 point
  33. I think one thing everyone can agree on is that neither of these two entities seem to do their jobs which is making things right for the players. The almighty $$$ is first and foremost with both of them.
    1 point
  34. I forgot to say, the guys from QV are Furman South and his brother Colin South. Both played at RMU. Furman is now an NHL official. Also, to further your point, neither was a defenseman.
    1 point
  35. Those Peters teams from the early 2000s were loaded... depending on the day. I think Christian Hanson played with those guys too. Not sure. But if you played them on a Friday, they'd be down like half of their roster. It was ridiculous how many Friday night games those guys had. It's gotten way harder to play tier I and high school more recently for sure, but you also have to consider that a lot of the guys who end up in D1 are playing Jr while they are in high school.
    1 point
  36. The NCDC is a odd league. Some consider it tier 2.5 - it’s not recognized by USA hockey since it’s part of the usphl. They don’t produce many NCAA D1 players. There are a decent amount of players that get cut by the nahl, play in the ncdc with hopes to make it back to nahl and it does happen from time to time. Some scouts consider it on par with the EHL (the top tier 3 junior league in the states) but the difference is the NCDC is not pay to play like all tier 3 leagues. This is how usphl tries to claim it’s tier 2 like the NAHL. It’s good hockey - the top players are capable of making the nahl but for whatever reason they don’t but overall it’s not on the NAHL level. The ex montour forward is averaging a point per game in the NCDC - By comparison he couldn’t crack the lineup in the NAHL.
    1 point
  37. Did you even read my original post? Once again, IT WAS NOT ABOUT PLAYING TIME AT ANY POINT. The board did not force him or any coaches to play seniors on varsity. Can be seen by the fact that there are 3 seniors still on the JV, even through they do not have enough kids to field a full roster ever. So please explain to me how this was about playing time? That is what the your coach friend told you. That is not what is the truth. As a matter of fact, during his first year as coach, there were a number of senior parents cOmplaining about playing time for their kids. Which was wrong, and I defended the coach on his stance. After all it is varsity and winning is important. But winning and caring about the development of all the players in your program can go hand in hand. It doesn’t have to be one or the other. And if you don’t want to develop everyone, you shouldn’t be coaching kids. I have many other examples of his vanity and attempts to run the organization without any input from the board. Examples of him fighting against the board. Examples of him spending parents money for his vanity projects. Unless you have any proof that this was about playing time, please remain quiet on the subject. Reporters are supposed to report facts, not what they here from a friend without fact checking. If you want to comment about it, be professional and interview some of the people on the board. Get both side of the story. Don’t blindly believe something without research. Once again, I appreciate all you do for Pittsburgh hockey, but maybe you should sit this one out since you have shown no impartiality.
    1 point
  38. Once again, this was absolutely NOT about playing time. Never was about playing time. It was about not caring about how the JV team was treated. If you are the varsity head coach of a program and don’t care about your JV program developing players, you shouldn’t be a coach. This is high school. Not juniors or college. and I’ll bash anyone that treats any kid like a second class citizen. That is what he did to every kid on the JV team for 5 years. Along with some of his less talented players on varsity. If you want to defend someone, get your facts straight. why no mention of his bashing the current team and administrators on twitter? Do you think that is ok? Do you think that is professional? What do you think about resigning over a bus ride from RMU to PPG paints arena? It was childish and they should have sent him on his way then. What about telling a young JV coach that he stinks instead of helping him become a better practice coach? Why not do what they parents and BOARD ALask and give guidance to a young coach to help his future players? I appreciate all you do for Pittsburgh hockey, but you need to step away from this subject because you only want to know what the coach says because he is your friend. Listen to all the facts, not just his whiny explanation. if you are going to try and defend someone, address the issues with how you feel. Don’t just show blind support. Just because he is your friend doesn’t mean he is right.
    1 point
  39. Fair enough @Paul Baxter Respectfully, the point I want to make is there something to be said for a player / parent to quit a team they were a part of since summer time to join another team for that extra A just weeks before the rosters need to be finalized. If this player was my kid I would have politely said "no" and used it as a teaching moment for him to stay committed to his current teammates and finish the season, and if his desire was to play for that team next season that is what tryouts are for. No venom being thrown here, just an opinion.
    1 point
  40. We all understand you are buddies with him - look at his track record. Very similar situation at the last school. After the previous poster mentioned the coaches Twitter I went and searched it, sure enough, previous poster wasn’t lying. Previous posting anonymous stranger already has more credibility than the previous coach in my eyes.
    1 point
  41. Wow, that was a lot of detail - thanks! It lines up a lot with what I know about that coach. Once he loses high end talent he leaves and try’s to blame everyone to save face. just look at his resume’ He’s not a coach that develops players or a program. He’s a win now egomaniac, a coach that looks for a group of young talent, takes over the team then leaves when the run is over.
    1 point
  42. I need everyone participating this thread to tone it down a notch. I've already removed one over the top post and if needed, I will either delete this whole thread or lock it if the crap continues. You can have disagreements and dislike other people / coaches on this forum but over the top bashing isn't needed OR PERMITTED. STATE THE FACTS and move on. Remember, me and my moderator will be the judges of what is unacceptable. We will not tolerate peoples KIDS being dragged into discussions. Honestly, I can't blame ANYONE for taking their child to wherever they want to play. It's not your business why so and so takes their kid from Org A to Org B. Let it go and let them do what they want. PB
    1 point
  43. It appears like most schools In class A & AA - waves - have a good run, players graduate, have a few miserable years then hope another good core comes through. It’s the reality of pihl hockey, excluding the big schools.
    1 point
  44. figured thats how the varsity would pan out, those where the 4 strongest teams there. NOT Much comp for any of them besides one another.
    1 point
  45. BOY ARE THEY IN FOR A SUPER LET DOWN, BUT DONT WORRY PPE ESMARK VENG WILL ALL KEEP FEEDING THESE PARENTS THE HOOK LINE AND SINKER UNTIL THE PARENTS ONE DAY COME TO THEMSELVES AND SEE LITTLE JOHNY IS JUST ANOTHER AVERAGE PGH KID
    1 point
  46. Just saw in the Post Gazette that RMU hockey will be back in 2023: https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/rmu/2021/12/17/Robert-Morris-reinstates-hockey-programs-for-2023-24-season/stories/202112170125
    1 point
  47. Overall I would say that is pretty impressive. Who said Western Pa doesn't have good hockey?
    1 point
  48. Problem is because there are so few officials available they take and use anyone. Not the best and brightest. Not saying that’s the case for all of them by far but there so few out there that crews are doing HS games that 30 years ago would’ve been doing peewee games at best.
    1 point
  49. won't last 3 seasons and it will be gone for good.
    0 points
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