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Murry Gunty Doing his damnedest to be more destructive to Pittsburgh Hockey than David Morehouse was. He's definitely killed things in Jersey, Hershey/Harrisburg and I'm sure a few other places. People should be reaching out to their local state reps and ask questions about possible violations of anti-trust laws regarding monopolizing. I've already reached out to one who is a lifetime hockey person and they are having staff do some digging.

Cliff Notes version: There are a lot of players trying to play division 1 college hockey. There are not that many D1 hockey teams. Within the next couple of years it is possible that the NCAA will grant college eligibility to former Canadian Hockey League players. Those players may or may not be interested in playing American College hockey. If they are interested, there will be even more players trying to play D1 hockey. Therefore it will be even more difficult to get a D1 college scholarship, because Math. Also: If you are playing low level juniors, especially if you are paying for it, you are just wasting your time and money. On the plus side D3 hockey should improve. And possibly a couple more schools might add D1 programs. Did I miss anything?

Yinz goalies are all NUTZ!!! But nothing kills a season like a goaltending issue can. Be thankful for the parents willing to take on exponential costs!!

My son did lessons with him at Baierl the first year Shane had his sheet there. Always thought he was a little odd. He just moved from Sioux City and Shane told me he had been scouting for the Musketeers. It was also during COVID and it was convenient since his HS team played out of there. Looked at my phone and still have pages of texts with him. Very sad to think about the monster he may be. With that said, Shane was his his first coach at 12U and we often traveled to Alpha for lessons. I thought Shane was good...definitely a different personality, but he knows his stuff and he'll tell you like it is. For the last few years of HS, he ended up going to Mike Chiasson at UPMC, who he really liked. it was convenient because I could just register him online when he wanted to go and there was usually only a few other goalies there. Plus, the shooters were usually top notch. As Wes said, Goalie coaches can really only help you with technique and do drills that try to simulate game situations. In the end, playing in games and analyzing plays with video is the best way to learn and identify where you need to improve or adjust how you read plays. Kenny Reiter was probably the best coach my son had when he was at NP. He would help out with goalie training and was solid in everything he taught. Not sure if he is still involved with coaching or not. Don't overdo it - you don't want your kid to need hip surgery at 20. Also, I think it's good idea to have several coaches throughout your career to soak in different philosophies. My .02. I could talk about goaltending for hours...

If you aren't playing out of a black bear rink consistently, save your money. The family doesn't need to watch every game.

Even wilder I just checked the standings and there are two teams ranked BELOW that vengeance team. Wow.

This is the team that they will be vying to be statistically better (worse??) than. As others have mentioned though, don't see how much longer they'll be able to find willing opponents so they may struggle to get in 35 games or more. If anyone knows of a worse "AAA" statistical season then please enlighten us. https://myhockeyrankings.com/team_info.php?y=2017&t=2492

USA Hockey is a monopoly all of its own. They're not going to do anything.

Well here's the Black Bear TV at one rink. This isn't satire, it's real. Apparently the views at many rinks are obstructed because of camera locations. And it's games only, timed at their ice slot. So a late starting game? Yep, the feed cuts off before the game is finished. Theoretically an employee at the rink could manually update the time so the whole game is shown. But it sounds like that isn't really happening. And at least for the AHF, if a parent is caught streaming from an iPad or whatever... the person's player is pulled from the game, a suspension for the rest of the season, and they're on,the hook for the full season fees.

Yes, said it when they bought their first rink in the area. BB is no good for hockey. They just want to monopolize everything. Rinks, leagues, live barn, the associations that play in their rinks, tournaments, .... (which are WAY over priced).

Good read on the changes coming for hockey. North American Junior Hockey Reaches a Crossroads - MYHockey (myhockeyrankings.com) By Scott Lowe – MYHockeyRankings.com Every year, the junior hockey landscape in North America undergoes numerous changes during the offseason. But this month, as the 2024-25 season opens for leagues around North America following another tumultuous spring and summer, junior hockey appears to be heading toward a major crossroads. This crossroads starts at the top with the Canadian Hockey League, also known as Major Junior, and filters all the way down to the lowest pay-to-play Tier 3 leagues in the United States. While the Tier 1 United States Hockey League (USHL) and Tier 2 North American Hockey League (NAHL), the top pro and college developmental leagues in the U.S., continue to lead the way in America when it comes to player development and NCAA commitments, those leagues are certain to feel some residual effects over the next several years. So will the Junior A leagues in Canada such as the British Columbia Hockey League (BCHL) and the nine provincial leagues that make up the Canadian Junior Hockey League (CJHL). NCAA men’s hockey programs also are likely be to impacted in a major way as an entire new pool of players appears on the verge of becoming available for Division I teams to fight over. While it’s already incredibly difficult for players to advance to play Division I hockey, it probably will become even more challenging for young players to attain that level in the future. The 64 NCAA Division I programs don’t have enough roster spots available for players capable of playing at that level as it stands, so when they get access to even more high-level players, Division I-capable players will trickle down to Division II and Division III programs. That will lift the level of play in those divisions to an all-time high while also making it even more difficult for players who normally could play for programs at that level to get there. This already has started happening at the Division III level in the wake of the extra “COVID year,” which was available to all players who were enrolled when hockey seasons were shut down or cut short because of the pandemic. The ease of player movement between programs created by the transfer portal also has contributed. Players who were at the bottom of NCAA Division I rosters saw their ability to move up the lineup disappear as seniors on their teams opted to play a fifth year while others transferred in for their final seasons. Many of those players – as well as players who would have been recruited by Division I programs in previous years – began looking for opportunities to play right away at Division II or III schools. That caused a similar ripple effect among players at the bottom of those teams’ rosters as their opportunity to move into the lineup may have vanished. Some of those players looked to transfer to other NCAA teams, while others chose to search for a strong college club hockey program where they could play right away. Scenarios such as these seem likely to repeat themselves in the future. The good news is that the number of NCAA Division I men’s hockey programs has risen from 60-64 in recent years with the addition of schools such as Lindenwood, Long Island University, St. Thomas and Augustana. And in recent years there have been at least one or two annual program additions at the Division III level with more already announced for the future. Despite that expansion, the total of NCAA athletic programs at all levels sponsoring varsity hockey only should be approaching about 160 by the time the dust settles in the years ahead. Compare that to the number of North American junior hockey leagues and teams that currently send players on to play for NCAA programs: USHL – 16 teams, including USNTDP 18U NAHL – 35 teams BCHL – 21 teams CJHL Jr. A – 118 teams NCDC (USA) – 21 teams EHL (USA) – 21 teams USPHL Premier (USA/Canada) – 83 teams NA3HL (USA) – 35 teams That alone adds up to 350 teams full of players hoping to play NCAA hockey. That’s more than twice the number of institutions that sponsor the sport. Of course, not every single player on those teams is trying to get to that level, but those numbers do not include players on New England Prep and Minnesota High School teams who may be able to advance directly to the NCAA level or foreign players not playing in North American junior leagues. In the United States alone there are another 50 or so lower-level Tier 3 pay-to-play junior teams competing at the Eastern Hockey League Premier (EHLP) and United States Premier Hockey League Elite (USPHL Elite) levels that have no issue selling the NCAA dream to players who likely have little or no chance of getting there. On top of that, there are more than 200 additional lower-level Canadian junior programs. That paints a picture of just how hard it is today for young hockey players with dreams of playing NCAA hockey. It becomes even more difficult for players who don’t live or play in traditional hockey markets. My part of the country, the Baltimore/Washington metro area, produces just a handful of NCAA hockey commits annually, and most of the players who get Division I offers leave home at a pretty young age to pursue high-level AAA or prep opportunities. Several of the players who have committed to Division I programs also have been decommitted in recent years. Unfortunately, it appears that advancing to that level is about to get even harder within the next few years. And that brings us to our junior hockey crossroads. Rylan Masterson, a Canadian junior hockey player, filed a proposed class-action lawsuit against the NCAA and 10 universities in August, arguing that the NCAA is violating antitrust laws by preventing any player who has appeared in a CHL hockey game from also playing in the NCAA. NCAA bylaws state that “an individual shall not be eligible for intercollegiate athletics in a sport if the individual ever competed on a professional team." Because some players in the CHL – made up of the Ontario Hockey League (OHL), the Western Hockey League (WHL) and the Quebec Maritime Hockey League (QMJHL) – have signed contracts with NHL teams, the NCAA has determined that any players who have competed in the CHL are ineligible to play NCAA hockey. Masterson has played for the Fort Erie Meteors of the Greater Ontario Junior Hockey League (GOJHL) for three years after appearing in two preseason games for the OHL's Windsor Spitfires in 2022. By NCAA rule, those two games make him ineligible. The individual schools named in the lawsuit are Canisius University, Niagara University, Rochester Institute of Technology, Boston College, Boston University, the University of Denver, Quinnipiac University, the University of Notre Dame, Stonehill College and the University of St. Thomas. The suit, which was filed at U.S. District Court in Buffalo, argues that other professional athletes, such as Olympic swimmers, have received payments based on their athletic prowess and athletes who have played hockey in European professional leagues have retained their NCAA eligibility. Other arguments put forth contend that the rule discourages competition between the CHL and NCAA for the best North American players and unfairly forces 16-year-old hockey players to decide between hockey and pursuing their sport and education at an NCAA institution. It also claims that the rule constitutes a “group boycott,” which also would be an antitrust violation. Further clouding the issue are the massive endorsement deals that NCAA athletes now are permitted to seek in return for use of their name, image and likeness. It has been widely reported that top college athletes in some sports are receiving payments that exceed six figures annually. In 2023 the NCAA reportedly told Division I hockey coaches that they had the ability to change the rule by voting. This topic apparently was revisited this year, but no vote has been taken. It has been rumored for a while now that the NCAA and CHL were in discussions to modify or eliminate the rule. This possibility led to the announcement last week by Braxton Whitehead that he had become the first CHL player to verbally commit to an NCAA Division I program. Whitehead, who plays for the WHL’s Regina Pats, said he plans on joining the Arizona State University program for the 2025-26 academic year. NCAA Division I athletic programs notoriously search for any possible recruiting edge over their rivals, so it’s no surprise that Arizona State made a verbal offer in hopes of getting ahead of the curve. Others are sure to follow, putting more pressure on the NCAA to negotiate with the CHL or to settle the lawsuit. Junior and college coaches have said privately that they think CHL players will be permitted to play NCAA hockey within the next two years. Then what? Back to the crossroads. In the past, top players with aspirations of playing NCAA Division I hockey had turned to leagues such as the USHL, BCHL and NAHL to develop by playing against like-minded higher-end players while retaining their college eligibility. In essence, a rule change would create an open competition for the top hockey players in North America. It's likely that the National Hockey League and other top professional prospects would gravitate to one league – possibly the CHL or USHL – with a trickle-down effect to the other leagues. With more high-level players eligible to play NCAA hockey, it’s likely that fewer players from leagues such as the BCHL and NAHL would receive Division I offers. Fewer Division I opportunities for those leagues means that more of their players likely would trickle down to the Division II and III levels (currently there are six Division II programs and about 85 at the Division III level). That means leagues such as the National Collegiate Development Conference (NCDC), the OJHL, the Central Canada Hockey League (CCHL), the Alberta Junior Hockey League (AJHL) and a few other leagues, which traditionally send a lesser number of players to NCAA Division I programs, might become strictly Division III feeders. Then what becomes of a pay-to-play Tier 3 junior league like the Eastern Hockey League (EHL), which traditionally commits about 150 players to NCAA Division III programs annually? The United States Premier Hockey League (USPHL Premier) and North American Tier 3 Hockey League (NA3HL) also move players to Division III programs. The EHL’s commitment numbers likely would take a substantial hit, while the others might see their commitments almost dry up completely. Is it possible for these leagues to even exist when some of their teams charge up to $13,000 for tuition before additional living and other expenses are considered? Is there a sustainable market for players who will have to commit between $15,000 and $20,000 that could be used for college to play hockey and put off school for a year in hopes of achieving something that may only be remotely realistic? And what about the lower-level American Tier 3 “pay-to-play” leagues that are marketed as feeder leagues for the EHL and USPHL Premier and already are selling what amounts to an impossible dream. It’s debatable as to whether those leagues are even necessary at this point, so should they even be permitted to exist in the future if CHL players are allowed to play NCAA hockey in the next few years? The EHL, USPHL Premier and NA3HL likely will continue to move some players on to the play for NCAA Division III teams, but the majority could become top college club hockey prospects for American Collegiate Hockey Association (ACHA) and Amateur Athletic Union (AAU) programs. The level of play in those leagues continues to rise, and those programs offer more great hockey opportunities than ever for strong players who want to attend the school of their choice and still compete at a high level. But it remains to be seen if the trickle down that would be created by CHL players being NCAA eligible would raise the profile of the ACHA and AAU enough for families of young players to deem it worthwhile to spend thousands of dollars to play juniors and put off college for the chance to compete for a college club team. Many of the top college club programs already prefer their players to have junior hockey experience, but with hundreds of colleges offering club teams, there are far more that offer an opportunity to play a high level for players who are ready to attend college the fall after high-school graduation. We will have to wait and see if the level of play continues to rise across the board as this situation plays out. If seems likely that it would and that more club programs might recruit strictly junior players in the future. If that’s the case, there may still be a strong enough market to keep some pay-to-play junior leagues afloat. Even if that happens, though, there always will be hundreds of other club programs happy to have good hockey players come directly from high school to join their teams. The number of men’s ACHA and AAU teams is approaching 550 as the 2024-25 season begins. Another possibility is that more NCAA Division I institutions with larger athletic programs and other smaller schools that have enjoyed hockey success at the ACHA level might add men’s hockey as a varsity sport if more high-end CHL players become available. Arizona State has built a strong Division I program in a short period of time, and in the past few years, smaller schools such as Lindenwood, Long Island University, Augustana and St. Thomas have joined the party. There have been rumors for years about strong ACHA programs at big schools such as Illinois and Arizona making the jump to NCAA Division I. Also, the increasing popularity of hockey in non-traditional markets and extensive Division I conference realignment in recent years have led to whispers about large brand-name athletic programs such as USC and UCLA potentially adding hockey at some point. In addition, many wonder openly if the athletic powerhouses in the Southeastern Conference such as Georgia, Kentucky, Alabama, Tennessee and South Carolina might take a stab at Division I hockey given their rabid fanbases and the strong followings some of their club teams already have. That type of expansion doesn’t happen overnight, however, so for the short term the expectation is that NCAA hockey’s quality of play is going to continue to trend upward at all levels while the opportunities for players who traditionally might have been able to ascend to those levels are likely to shrink. Another factor that may limit the number of overall hockey opportunities is the new roster and scholarship limit that the NCAA has adopted. The maximum number of full scholarships a Division I college hockey team can offer is increasing from 18 to 26, but teams that opt in for the increased scholarships will have a roster limit of 26. Only a small number of Division I programs currently roster fewer than 27 players, and many carry between 28 and 32. Obviously, those programs that opt in to the new plan will have fewer available roster spots than in the past. While the impact of allowing CHL players to have NCAA eligibility should be obvious at the top of the junior food chain, the trickle-down effect will create crossroads situations at multiple levels. It’s not clear what might become of a “tweener” junior league such as the NCDC, which already is at a crossroads of its own. The NCDC was established in 2017 as a tuition-free option for junior players in the northeastern United States. The level of play initially was very high, slightly below the Tier 2 NAHL, with some teams capable of competing at that level, and above the EHL. Because the NCDC did not charge, it was widely considered to be Tier 2 league even though the NAHL is the only USA Hockey-sanctioned Tier 2 junior league in the U.S. It was thought that offering a tuition-free junior option in a hockey hotbed would convince some of the region’s top prospects and younger Division I commits to stay home for their developmental years. Having those players in the league, it was thought, would lure other top prospects from around North America to play in a location that is within easy driving distance for dozens of NCAA college hockey coaches. In the early days of the NCDC, teams such as the New Jersey Hitmen, Boston Jr. Bruins and Islanders Hockey Club each carried 12-15 players who already were committed to Division I programs. Other commits were sprinkled throughout the 12-team league, and another 10-12 would receive Division I offers while playing in the NCDC. So, early on there might have been 50-plus players who were considered legitimate Division I prospects competing in the league. Unfortunately, while the level of play in the NCDC was very high right away, the league never attracted that many additional Division I prospects from other parts of North America. Those players preferred to play in the NAHL or the BCHL, more proven leagues that played at a slightly higher level and had a long history of sending players to Division I. Instead of becoming an NCAA Division I feeder league, the NCDC operated as a very good college developmental league that sent the bulk of its players on to play for strong Division III programs The challenges of funding tuition-free teams without being able to sell many tickets in a region where people could attend a college or pro hockey game almost any night of the week proved to be too much for some owners. It seemed like every year there were ownership changes and NCDC teams relocating, but the number of competing teams never dipped below 12. For the 2023-24 season the NCDC added a Mountain Division, which currently has six teams based in Colorado, Utah, Idaho and Wyoming, and this past summer three more New England-based teams were invited to come over from the EHL. Interestingly, those three additions are joining the league as experimental pay-to-play teams. They will continue to charge tuition like they did as members of the EHL, while the remaining 18 league teams will offer free tuition. The Mountain Division teams play in more traditional junior hockey markets, and some of them help fund their programs through ticket sales. That provides a different business model for the league. With many of its team owners having found it difficult to fund tuition-free junior teams over the years, the addition of three pay-to-play teams and the existence of a division with the ability to potentially provide a more sustainable business model brings the NCDC to an interesting crossroads of its own amid much speculation about its future. Will the league go back to being completely tuition free or might the NCDC choose to reinvent itself as a more-affordable pay-to-play option in hopes of becoming the preeminent developer of NCAA Division III players if the landscape changes going forward? Another potential option would be for the NCDC to have separate tuition-free divisions and “pay-to-play” divisions. At this point all we can do is speculate, but it seems likely that some major changes are on the horizon for North American junior hockey. How extensive those changes will be and the subsequent fallout that might be felt by junior leagues and at the various levels of American college hockey will be easier to assess as the future relationship between the NCAA and CHL begins to take shape.

lol - good to see things are off to a great start.

The locations should be the ones requiring him to have clearances for everyone as much as him for his own protection.

If that's true, then he should make sure they have them. He better hope nobody comes forward that was part of his training around here. Massive liability.

Yes I wasn't aiming that at you. I was just saying that's about all you can say.

Yeah surprising Shane clifford didn’t make a statement or anything on their social media or sending out emails to clients saying anything. Friends on a 10u team at our organization heard about it in the lobby of the rink and had been told by their instructor at Shane clifford there was a family emergency and that’s why the cranberry instructor left. They don’t watch the news and couldn’t believe the company didn’t send anything out.

We funded all of our son the goalie training. He turned out to be a really good amateur goalie. (he's done with hockey post college now) not once in all his years did anyone evaluate his play in person. and it is vert true if the goalie is solid the coaches mostly ignore them... on the other hand there's not much your average coach can do with goalies anyway. .

So true...many teams do very little to nothing for goalies, and finding time for lessons when your kid is playing amateur and school hockey while trying to also get him some needed rest is a next to impossible.

I agree. Film analysis is huge. Probably more important than anything but finding time for that and instruction is hard. Practices for teams don’t cut it as most coaches ignore their goalies. It’s a double edge sword

Another example showing that all of the clearances and other bullshit youth sports puts people through means absolutely nothing as far as keeping abusers and molesters away from kids, as long as they haven't been caught yet. And maybe not really even then.

Here in 2024, now that my kids have graduated college, in hindsight I'd say both in person reviews and analysis of play along with video review of the same would be very beneficial to a goalie who is really interested in learning the position. However, in my son's entire goalie career, and that was mostly at AA/AAA levels, not once did a goalie coach ever do an in-game review of his play. There is so many more nuances to the position than just the drills you do with a goalie coach. Don't get me wrong, those drills help by getting the technique down, but I'd think first hand analysis would be the best thing. The ability to discuss specific scenarios with a goalie based on their real in game performance in my mind would really help goalies who are aspiring to be the best.

https://www.wtae.com/article/kyle-dirks-youth-hockey-couch-butler-iowa-sex-abuse/62485128

Got it thanks.

https://www.wkbn.com/news/local-news/youngstown-news/youngstown-phantoms-employee-arrested-on-sex-charges/

My son plays college AAU D3 at a rink that has a black bear junior league. Live Barn has been shut off and my sons team need to send them games weekly to be loaded into their black bear tv site. This is the only black bear TV rink they play out of (their home rink) the rink was forced to move to Black Bear and they can't have any other live stream, not even their college live streaming it w/announcers. So kids lost their "internships" working for the club team. I reached out to Black bear TV and asked if they would. Minimally broadcast the club college games for free, to give back to the youth families who have paid them for years, their response "we are a paid streaming service". They are killing hockey and can't even take a suggestion to give them a little positive PR as they are being torn apart on social media. They only want money and have no interest in growing or supporting the sport.

$75 per game per logo 😄

They went over 6 full months between wins

I've noticed that too. Pure speculation here, but I am thinking teams are reporting to MHR and Blackbear hasn't gotten the Western PA managers in line yet. Those coming out of a PAHL background are accustomed to self-reporting scores to MHR, so Blackbear cutting off the automatic reporting via Scoresheet hasn't changed the reporting practices in WPA teams yet.

Maybe. That vengeance team might set a world record for negative goal differential based on what it is currently.

Quick look - all the vengeance AAA teams look like trash except 13u and 10u (who play thf which is the ultimate faux AAA league). Esmark/stars looks pretty rough but slightly better their bantam teams (other than the team 2 they created for some dumb reason) are doing well and 18u ok. Their 16u and 15o teams look rough. Predators looks awful across the board with the exception of the 09 preds team. SHAHA both 08 and 09 teams look like they are doing decent. Icemen have three AAA teams from what I see and the 15 and 18s are doing well. The 16u team looks like it's doing awful. That being said they are also THF so I would be skeptical because it seems like that league is garbage.

Speaking of Vengeance 2009AAA-check out their MHR Averaging 11.3 goals against-3 goals for and 68 against in 6 losses

That's an absolute disgrace, these people should be so ashamed of themselves. In New Jersey and Eastern PA as well as Delaware, they have to be on the verge of violating the laws against against monopolizing or some federal anti-trust laws. Maybe USA Hockey and especially our esteemed MidAm affiliate should spend some of the money of the membership on something that is good for all members instead of only 10% of the membership. For those who might be interested, take a look at the required publicly available tax returns and see how much of our money these folks are sitting on. How do I find a company's 990 form? The 990 is a public document that you can search for on the websites for the Secretary of State or the Attorney General where the organization is incorporated. In addition, 990s are available from a variety of open source and subscription sources.

That’s because they brought in all these coaches that have no idea what is going on! And Stellabote was already booted from one organization and should be from this one to

Complaints can be filed with the Attorney General office

I was at what I think was a BB rink (at least the main tenants played THF/AHF), and they did have coin operated heaters for the stands.

Delete this before you give them any ideas.

I am surprised that Black Bear doesn't charge you to get into games, pay to park or to fill up your water bottle. Maybe next year!

Game results, my bad. I thought you meant placements.

You have to pay for premium for that feature, go figure

Remember all those folks who were so excited about this "new and far better option than PAHL"? It will be interesting to see the sentiments after the conclusion of this season and then again in another 2 years. I'd be willing to bet the returns will be diminishing annually and at an increasing level.

Let me know if you get an answer to this. It's pretty expensive if you can't watch on demand anything at their rink and it's only for AHF/THF games.

I think it took til the playoffs for the tournament to really get better but I was very impressed with the quality of hockey in all the playoffs games I got to see as well as the teams. Congrats to Seneca they worked hard in the semifinal and final for their victory. If the playoffs were any indication AAA is going to be very competitive and I think Peters will add to the compete level and possibly South Fayette.

The parents are delusional. I don't know about Pucks11's specific example. But it's hockey. Any team that's in the same or similar division can win 1 game. Which, the THF team apparently didn't even do that. But play 10, and the "powerhouse" team will win 8 of them.

I just noticed that the finals are tonight as well. Seems crazy that the tournament stretches out into 3 different weeks, yet they felt the need to cram the semis and finals all into one night.

Shattuck has 0 teams playing in the USHL tournament and BK has 1. Didn't 1 of those "powerhouses" BARELY beat (2-0 with an empty net goal) 1 of those THF teams that are slower and not as fluid as a team last year in the Midam Championship. If you think all these parents are delusional then why tell them to go watch games that their kids most likely don't have a chance of playing in. You really are Dazed and Confused.

Yes absolutely ridiculous especially since it is such a mixed bag of teams.

$2,600 for a 4 game showcase with no rules posted yet. For that price, I'd expect ice cuts every period.

I think SV wins by more. 6-2 I'll guess. Lebo wins 5-1. Just guessing but it's fun. I think a SV-Lebo final would be a good matchup with Seneca winning by 1-2 goals.

Have no fear, the Russians are coming!!

I think you miss the point about tournaments and travel. You should do these things because kids enjoy them and it adds to the experience. If you are too lazy to take you kid to a jamboree at Armstrong or you are too cheap to take your kid to an out of town tournament in Cleveland, then hockey probably isn't for you and you should get out now.