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  1. 3 points
    Hey @RedRidingHood, how nice you jump on here and make your first post and attempt to defend teams for running up the score. I will question the character of any coach or team who runs up the score, period. That is my first amendment right, in case you didn't realize it. I gave one VERY SPECIFIC exception to running up the score. Here is my exception in more detail: Say you're team is in at tourney and the tie breaker for you to make the playoffs is coming down to goal differential. And you know you need a +4 in this game to win. So here we are in the 3rd period and you're team is up 3-0. I would have no problem with the final score being 6-0, or even 8-0. But that's about where my exception would end. And mostly what I am talking about is integrity and GOOD SPORTSMANSHIP. Good sportsmanship, otherwise known as the "unwritten rules of the game", which apparently you don't have a clue about. It's also about trying to minimize bad blood, brawls and parent fights due to the coach rolling up the score. You on the other hand want to defend teams who roll up 17-0, 17-1 scores and their top players are still scoring in the 3rd period. You are free to do that but I have no idea why you'd waste your time coming on here to defend such a ridiculous stance. I'm glad my kids played hockey for coaches with integrity and class, and never rolled up the score - when some of their teams certainly could have. We're just glad the game ended safely and we got the win.
  2. 3 points
    At 12u coaches shouldn't have a power play unit and top lines yet. Chasing the banner over development. Parents should be pissed if that is going on. Every kid should be getting opportunities to do all these things.
  3. 2 points
    Sorry, didn’t mean to come across that way towards you. The system is easy to institute. Every rink and club have zero tolerance policies. Problem is, they don’t uphold them. I'm totally with you about people though. I don’t sit in the stands. Nor do I stand at the top of the bleachers with the crazy’s. I’m the guy that says nothing and watches the game from the end glass by myself.
  4. 2 points
    Regarding the cross-post of Norwin VS. Sewickley 17-0 debacle. Over many years in this sport, I've seen scores get rolled up a few times, but never to that extent. I can't recall one time where the coach of one of our teams (up big), didn't go to "no shots" or similar in the third period to get out of the game. That is in both PIHL and PAHL games, boys and girls games both. On the other hand I have been part of games in which we were down something like 5-0 or 6-0, or 8-1 in the third and the other team kept trying to score right up to the buzzer. The last time this happened (around 2015) it caused a brawl at the end of the game (for 13 year olds). That game has previously been discussed on these forums. Read that thread here I have a very low regard for any coach (our team or otherwise) who when their team is up big, allows their team to try and score right up to the buzzer. The only exception to that for me, is if we're in some sort of a tourney where goal difference is going to be the deciding factor for the team trying to keep scoring. In general I think it's poor sportsmanship.
  5. 1 point
    I agree that the Norwin game is not in the same category as other incidents on the list. I also agree it starts with placement of teams. These two teams never should have been placed in the same division. Same with TJ (they should be playing at AA) and Pine last year. There is not a perfect formula but 17-0 shouldn’t happen. 3 players collectively had 18 points. That’s absolutely unsportsmanlike. PIHL is as much at fault as the coach. Is it the same degree as fighting or threatening a ref - no, but now we’re talking about it. #10 on the list is a joke and I would argue the one about a photographer overhearing a private conversation is not list worthy.
  6. 1 point
    My prior comments were not defending running up the score. However, if the league has no guidelines around what is and isn’t acceptable, how can we expect coaches and players to act accordingly? Yes, we’d hope good sense and decency would prevail, but it simply doesn’t. My point is you can’t put running up the score in the same bucket as the other incidents on that summary, at least not from the details provided. I was very surprised to see that incident on the report because it is not consistent with the other situations. No rules of game play were broken. Was it a classless thing to do? Absolutely. But as the examples show, it’s not an isolated incident. Coaches have different thoughts on what it means to be “crossing the line” so it needs to be better defined if it’s going to be called out and enforced. Maybe there needs to be a mercy rule where the game is called once a certain goal differential is met. And anyone who says that a team with a low number of players for a game should just forfeit, you need to look up the financial impact of doing so. Your organization would probably just choose to play as well.
  7. 1 point
    Please show where it “clearly states” that the actions in #9 fall under sportsmanship, because I can’t find it. I don’t think a 17-0 score is ok. But where do you draw the line? Where are the guidelines for coaches to understand what is acceptable or not? For example, Nov 25, PR2 beat Wheeling Park 13-0 in a JV game. Oct 14, Mars beat Knoch 14-0 in a middle school game, with 6 goals scored in the 3rd. Why aren’t these games being called out? Because they didn’t hit a 15 goal differential? Or only because they aren’t at the Varsity level? If the league isn’t looking inward and asking what in their process contributed to the poor placements that led to these lopsided scores, they should be. Maybe watching the game on LiveBarn would provide additional insight, but #9 doesn’t seem to warrant being on the report summary.
  8. 1 point
    Let me first say that I’m completely mind boggled with the score outcome of the Norwin game. Personally, if I was the coach, I would have done everything in my power to make it a respectable win. Good sportsmanship being the key. That said, this list is a PIHL Disciplinary report of MAJOR INCIDENTS . All other points listed are serious issues. #9 is not! Beating another team by 17 only makes the coaches look like DB’s, the school district look bad and the players look bad. #9 should not be on the list. Fights, ref confrontations, coaches, parents and/or players being idiots, rowdy people in the stands etc, should be on the list.
  9. 1 point
    Wow. Thanks for sharing that report. I am going to go play the lottery since my prediction that parents will not be permitted to watch is now within the refs hands. Section b under security guards allows them to remove a whole section of spectators, regardless of whether you did anything or not. I saw this happen at a recent tournament in New York, so I bet it isn't a new idea. A 14 year old ref made a whole section leave and he wouldn't drop the puck till they left. There were two dads complaining about calls in that section...I think one from each team. A parent from the NY team told me that all youth sports were cracking down in the area after a fight at a high School basketball game that resulted in numerous injuries. That young ref wasn't messing around. He called a pretty good game, too. Removing parents might be effective. The majority of parents who don't behave badly might speak up against the ones that do, not wanting to get kicked out, or urge their organization to prevent that person from coming. Policing from within.
  10. 1 point
    LIST OF MAJOR INCIDENTS THIS SEASON 2019-2020 1. A Greensburg Salem parent threw a bottle of water from the top of the seating section at an Indiana player on the ice during a Varsity game. a. The incident was caught on video, and when presented to the Greensburg Salem association, they said that their parents had already told them that the bottle of water was thrown… by the opposing student section. 2. A Moon parent went on the ice during a post-game altercation in a Varsity game between Moon and Plum. This parent gave the middle finger to the opposing spectators, argued with the rink manager about being ejected from the building, then tried to avoid the security guard by returning to the far end of the seating section. The same parent gave a lengthy list of excuses in a subsequent email about why his behavior was justified. a. The Plum parents from the same Varsity game between Moon and Plum screamed at the Moon players as they exited the ice surface, then yelled at a Moon coach because they were upset by some of the players giving them the middle finger. b. An Avonworth parent who witnessed the altercation in the Moon-Plum game sent an email to the PIHL to state his belief that the referees and security guard “lost control” during the altercation and that the referees should be reprimanded. There were only 2 referees on the ice – one of whom was bleeding from the mouth because he was hit in the face by a stick – and at least 16 players on the ice. The security guard was positioned at the player runway to the locker room, where he was supposed to be. 3. A Neshannock parent confronted a referee in the parking lot after a Varsity game, and the parent’s son allegedly suggested that he was going to bring his gun to future games. a. A police incident had to be filed for this matter. 4. Peters Township parents stood in a manner that surrounded a broadcast crew from North Allegheny during a Varsity game, and their yelling throughout the game disrupted the broadcast crew on multiple occasions. a. A league official tried to prevent those parents from using the locker room hallway to exit the seating area after the game since they were clearly angry and disobedient and should not have been allowed near players. Three of the parents were uncooperative and attempted to push their way by, which would have put them among players of the opposing team. 5. A Cathedral Prep parent blocked the referees from exiting the ice surface, demanding that they answer questions for her because she is a “SafeSport rep.” She began berating the officials and standing in their way of getting to their locker room over an incident in the game where a Cathedral Prep player was penalized for shooting the puck after a goal and nearly hitting one of the referees in the face. 6. A Wilmington parent entered the official’s locker room after a Middle School game to complain to the officials about how he felt the game was called. 7. A photographer overheard a conversation between parents of opposing teams at a game between Wheeling Park and Wheeling Catholic. One parent told the other parent that he was going to punch his team’s head coach in the face because his kid was not getting enough playing time, adding that the worst thing he felt that he would get for doing that is a fine. 8. A Gateway Middle School coach loudly told a player on his bench that he will “knock you the f*** out” and then hit the kid on the helmet. The coach then told a PIHL Game Coordinator that he can do whatever he wants because it’s his kid. 9. Norwin scored 5 goals in the third period of a game in which they were already winning 12-0 through two periods, out-shooting the opponent 16-1 in that third period. The top scorers for Norwin were involved in most of the third period goals. The final score was 17-0 in a game in which the opponent only had 8 skaters and no wins on the season. a. Several of the goals scored in the third period included celebrations by Norwin players. b. The Norwin coaching staff attempted to defend these actions on two different phone calls with the Commissioner’s Office. 10. The entire Upper Saint Clair student section moved to the Mt Lebanon seating section in the second period of a Varsity game at Ice Castle. When the security guard asked an Upper Saint Clair parent if the students who were sitting in the other section were from USC, the parent said, “Yeah, isn’t that funny?”
  11. 1 point
    Wow. That report reads like every game is played at Wells-Fargo Arena.
  12. 1 point
    If a coach is worried about being "disrespected" by a 10 year old girl he should never be on the ice again or anywhere near it.
  13. 1 point
    watch this guy.. focus on his shoulder
  14. 1 point
    People won't be happy until they are completely banned from entering the stands. Livebarn is making that possible....drop kids off and make everyone go home. Our kids will be better off. Parents are a huge part of why I really like watching at home.
  15. 1 point
    This is a HS Varsity game these players are responsible for their own actions. They made the choice now they have to deal with the consequences. Give both teams match penalties. Make both teams attend the hearing(s) Players and coaches. I don't know all the rules but let the rules dictate what happens. Fighting = whatever penalty that is. Coming off the bench to engage in a fight = whatever penalty that is. This is not something difficult to figure out. Stop with all the outrage about this. The truth is these things happend in the past, happend in this case and will happen again. These are competitive young men who made a mistake and temporarily went off the deep end. This was not some disgusting random act of violence. My guess is both teams were chirping. Moon is having a rough season so I imagine these kids were frustrated to lose a game they were in all the way to the end. Plum kids probably frustrated that they couldn't put Moon away. The dad made a mistake and didn't do anythig once he was on the ice. He obviously came to his senses pretty quickly. Maybe he was going to get his kid and pull him off the ice. Maybe he was/is a parent who initially had good thoughts. Who knows but he should not have been out there. Moon Hockey should address this if he was from Moon. Plum should address it if he was Plum. The rink should stay out of it. I would like to say security at these games in the bleachers could be better. We all know there is always one guy who has to run his mouth and things snowball from then on. Identify this guy and have him/her removed early will be a big help. I've been to games where ADM referees usually kids are being yelled at by parents in the stands. If 11-12 YR old kids can eject parents why can't adult referees eject these people? The nut in the stands ruins the game for everyone.
  16. 1 point
    exactly, but when something happens the hierarchy of blame goes in reverse order. The officials lost control, the coaches just stood there etc... while sometimes officials do let games go unchecked it's still ultimately on the players to control themselves.
  17. 1 point
    Rambo crawls out from under his rock to chime in, what a surprise. Where have you been, Biff? Some facts: SA has 11 skaters and two goalies rostered, not eight. They had eight skaters for last nights game. A coach doesn’t need to have a discussion on whom he chooses to put on the ice or how many players he puts on the ice. And yet you are a self spoken authority of the game? A dumb and clueless one, yes. You no nothing of my background or experience and I don’t owe you anything in providing my detailed resume, other than 13+ years in WP hockey I feel my “opinion” is only that, an opinion based on far more experience you have. Didn’t you admit in a prior post your bambino’s never played hockey here yet you knew everything about said hockey in WP? I know which guy you are, every org has one like you - plenty of opinions offered to the coaching staff and when challenged to lend his time to volunteer and help, the “I can’t skate” response follows. And if you do follow through, the blue jeans on the ice says it all. As far as class goes, don’t try and speak to something you don’t possess yourself. Remember getting banned five times from this site by the administrator and you changing your user name each time so you can get back in the frey with your personal insults, only to be banned again and again and again? How long will it be before you snap again and face another ban? Five times, biff. Five times. You gonna go yard and try for six? My money is on six +, so don’t let me down.
  18. 1 point
    The dad who walked out on the ice should have been arrested. What an idiot.
  19. 1 point
    @Bob Loblaw Just an FYI........I am not directing the "And save the butthurt snowflake bullshit" at you. It's meant for the trolls that will be attacking me for making the comment.
  20. 1 point
    I don’t think you understand the intent of the original post.
  21. 1 point
    12u doesn’t play for nationals. I posted the age groups that do. the top 6 in the mid am district make the district tournament, the winner goes to the national tournament with the other district winners in the country.
  22. 1 point
    2 not local, none are Thanksgiving
  23. 1 point
    Why don't you contact someone on the Board in PAHL instead of randomly asking this board if you really need to know?
  24. 1 point
    How do any of these fall under the topic Thanksgiving and Local?
  25. 1 point
    Honestly, you have it wrong. The fact that some of the teams are dominating is due to the fact that they have one or two players who do belong in a particular division. They belong in AAA or AA but are playing A Major black. The damage is done by the stars of a particular team.
  26. 1 point
    And one says to the other "let's get started early this year"
  27. 1 point
  28. 1 point
    this is tough situation because I understand and agree with your sentiment, absolutely you want the fairest divisions so the kids have the most fun, but the PAHL placement isn't the real problem. It could probably be better, but just picking some teams that are losing and saying PAHL is wrong is not correct. First, why are you bringing myhockey rankings into a discussion on PAHL placement? What bearing does the result of tournaments and one off games have to do with PAHL placement? The only way to judge PAHL placement is by looking at PAHL games and so far most teams have only played about 5. I quickly did a check on the 0-5 Foxes 277 and see that they lost 2 bad ones to what seems to be a good Southpointe team and then had some close ones. Second, even looking at the PAHL scores don't give you an accurate picture of what is going on with a team. PW is a very transitional time. The kids are all getting big and strong enough to close gaps and break away hockey is ending. Some kids just refuse or take more time to adjust. They are used to being the big goal scorer on all their teams and now they are getting totally shut down. the lower PW ranks still have a good amount of break away action going on, so the question is, would you rather your kid move down and keep playing wrong, or suffer through a rough season but learn how to play the game properly, so they have a shot at making a decent team later on life? Don't assume all parents only care about winning and don't assume all kids only care about winning. Making friends is more important to most of them. Third, this entire situation though, can be traced to what has been discussed on this board over and over. i hate to bring it up due to the massive flame war the generally ensues, but the problem comes from all the independent and AAA teams getting formed around town. Look, i'm a capitalist, i believe in consumers having the right to spend money on whatever they want, but to an extent. The FDA would prevent a restaurant from serving an Asbestos Burger. the amount of consumer demand would be irrelevant. at some point some governing body needs to step in and do what is best for the kids. What we have now is a somewhat diluted PAHL AA, that trickles down. Just watch a game and you will see that most teams have a couple kids they need to hide. Those kids though would be fine one division down. Should the whole team go down though? If you cut out all the extraneous "elite" level hockey in the area, all these kids would get pushed down into their proper levels and alot more kids would get cut completely and play house league or B. there is no shame there. having strong house leagues would only make youth hockey stronger over all in the area. Fourth more placement games aren't going to help. Kids are on vacation, don't care, coaches are still trying to determine who plays well together. fall sports are taking up some kids time and energy. again, i appreciate the sentiment of making things as best you can for the kids, but the issue doesn't fully lie in the PAHL placements.
  29. 1 point
    wow. Kids suck ? It was explained to me there are a handful of parents who think this coach will get their kids into college hockey. these parents kids play on a second team coached by said coach. Clearly you are one of them. Just read what you wrote. Are you drunk ? this is about high school hockey. You are not in a prep high school. This is not Minnesota high school. I don’t know who Tod Naylor is. If this is one of the board members you are speaking about it sounds like the only person who got put in their place is the guy that got suspended for a year! I’m sorry to break it to you coaches do not get suspended for a year from USA hockey over playing time. Maybe said coach is not telling tell you the truth. Even if the parents I know only told me one side the fact is this guy was suspend for a YEAR. That just doesn’t happen unless there was a serious problem of some sort.
  30. 1 point
    and last year I believe it turned into a circus for a couple games at Aston
  31. 0 points
    @Saucey The pussification of America continues. I’m not defending their actions. I personally think they could have shaved off 6 or 7 goals. As a coach, I’ve been on both sides. I’ve done the “hang back” things many, many times. But, hey, I’m not their coach. Maybe going back to some old school teachings will do the world some good. Everything is happy happy joy joy! If you want to keep living in your own bubble, go right ahead. Who am I (a nobody) to try to stop you?
  32. 0 points
    The disciplinary report is posted under the sportsmanship initiative. It clearly states what they define as proper sportsmanship and it’s not just yelling at refs, fighting and penalty minutes. How about we raise the bar a little.
  33. 0 points
    Funny, the conversation still goes on. Just questions. Guess nobody knows the answers. Opp, guess I’m whining with a question. 🙄
  34. 0 points
    Actually, I was kind of thinking why not go to the source instead of whining, complaining, and being an a** on here. My bad.
  35. 0 points
    Dazed, thank you for point of view. I don't think the confidence you have in PAHL placement would be equally shared by, for example, Erie 502 and Wheeling 507, or Southpoint 478 and Foxes 277. These teams are so far apart in skill level, that it's way beyond the "grey" area. Playing each other would simply degrade the definition of having fun for either side. You are a hockey parent, place yourself in their shoes. You have to drive your kid 3hr one way to the game with almost certain worst possible outcome, and serious goal differential... Explain to these 35 kids and their parents that there is no issues with their placement... As mentioned above in the thread, some of these teams have tried to change their placement. Apparently, there wasn't enough time, or information, or other controls in this process to make it happen. I think as a first step it's important to recognize that current placement process needs improvement. Denying that in the presence of factual numerical evidence is not very productive. As for helping the PAHL placement committee to improve their processes, as I mentioned above, this very post and feedback received is your and my and other folks contribution. As far as not using MHR, sorry, but you are not correct. The scores are submitted as of Aug 25, and include PAHL placement games. It is the most accurate publicly available source for determining team skill level. I can't speak for the entire site, but I am yet to find any discrepancy in reported games for Tier 2 12U PAHL group.
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