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  1. After 6 months of searching, I've finally cracked the case! The hours of logging into Live Barn cameras across the country only to be blocked by cunning ice rink operators. Or worse yet watching video trying to determine what teams are actually on the ice. Looking for any clues...helmet stickers, practice socks, custom gloves. You made it so difficult with your nondescript jerseys. But here in this one little thread on this one little message board the truth of the 12 year old outlaws is revealed!
    6 points
  2. I have been around for a long time and seen this conversation play out over and over. Mostly in rink lobbies and now on this message board. I have found it best to keep my mouth shut and let people experience the process and learn for themselves. Maybe I can share a couple things that will help with that process. 1. Non checking is not real hockey. Period. I can't tell you how many players I've seen that are top 5 AAA peewees and by 2nd year bantam are average AA players. Talking about a peewee team being top 5 is no different than talking about your kids roller hockey team being top 5.
    6 points
  3. So..... telling people that a coach has a moral compass that is set at -360 degrees has no place here? If I'm a newbie looking at options, I would think that was important, wouldn't you?
    5 points
  4. COVID makes this whole argument dumber than usual. With players not being able to play, being quarantined, being sick...all rankings/comparisons get a side eye from me this year. I've had that conversation with my kid, whose team has assumed victory over another based on looking at that website and then were surprised to get beat...truly, all bets are off this season. Plus, any teams crowing from an Alpha rink that has been known to continue to operate despite shut downs, particularly gets raised eyebrows. You get an edge just from playing when no one else could. You don't need to toot yo
    5 points
  5. Everyone will be lucky to play ACHA, in the end.
    4 points
  6. Responsibility for controlling stupidity on the ice chart. Player - has the ultimate control but has to be educated Parent - responsible for educating the player and holding them accountable and not for absolving them of blame Coach - same as parent but has the ability to keep them off the ice when stupidity looms Refs - last line of defense, can still educate but when necessary must remove players acting stupid from the game
    4 points
  7. I honestly don't understand who the hell cares about whether any particular team s top 10, top 5, #1. If you're top 25 you're probably the best team in the Pittsburgh region. This conversation is nothing more than a bunch of alleged grownups bragging at each other. The Vengeance are obviously a very very good team. Hell, they could probably beat the Penguins. Grow up, the lot of you. None of you are even ON the team yourself.
    4 points
  8. The rankings are a rough estimate of where you stand... in regards to what teams your manager should be scheduling games against. That’s about it. I would also like to touch on the ACHA and Beer league comments. That crap is on the same spectrum as the mite parents who think their kid is destined for glory... just opposite ends. If everyone bought into this doomsday approach, there would be no junior, college or pro players. And while it’s true that the higher you go up the ladder, the harder it becomes, there are some who will climb it. So take that jaded shit somewhere el
    3 points
  9. ALL roads lead to mens league.
    3 points
  10. Good point, would be fun for the kids also. Many other states do this and it seems successful.
    3 points
  11. One day in the not so distant future, the parents will have chased away all of the Coaches, Referees and Administrators in youth hockey.
    3 points
  12. For the record, this is a discussion board. EVERYTHING on here is just banter.
    3 points
  13. Thank you to the Nese Family for 25 years at Center Ice
    3 points
  14. ask any 03,04 or even 05 parent that was at scir when he was there. they will tell you the TRUTH about him.
    2 points
  15. Ask someone from the former 2003 Renegades birth year team........incident with player and an incident with a player’s parent
    2 points
  16. It is helpful when parents ask around and find out why particular coaches were kicked out of organizations (such as Renegades banning him)-what safe sport violations if any were violated, etc. What happened with any parents from past teams etc. Children look up to coaches and need positive role models. The majority of the kids from western PA and not going D1, not going to NHL. Provide a positive role model for your son/daughter. This will get your child much farther in life.
    2 points
  17. PPE has always refrained from playing local teams. Can't take the chance of even winning a game by less than 7 goals to local "faux" AAA teams. God forbid if they were to lose. MidAm tournament is the closest thing you'll get at higher ages, Determines who goes to nationals. This is why MyHockey rankings hurt local hockey. Rankings do serve a purpose for scheduling competitive games but it also causes a lot of problems. Local programs want your $$$ and they need a selling point. "look at us, we were in the top whatever the last few years". Top competition is what matters most for your players
    2 points
  18. I will shoot the PIHL an email and volunteer.
    2 points
  19. 2 points
  20. I wasn't directing it toward your post just the direction this thread has gone. Bottom line: TRIPLE A HOCKEY IS EXPENSIVE!!!!
    2 points
  21. I would love to see a girls division, but how are high schools going to find 10+ players per school in Western PA? I can see JOINT teams forming to get enough numbers, but I can't see more than a VERY small # of schools having a goalie + 8-9 skaters.
    2 points
  22. I'll be honest. I thought the same thing as nemesis when I read the comment "I don't give a crap what his background is, or what he did off the ice". Probably not the most well thought out comment. I happen to know this person for some time now and nothing he did is even in the same ballpark as this monster Chico.
    2 points
  23. We’re getting to the point where we need to ban spectators due to viral assholeness.
    2 points
  24. Yesterday at Alpha Ice after a 16U AA game a couple of players started mixing it up. One of the refs skated in to separate the two and one player fell over. Parent called the police. The police came to the rink and after the first period of the next game they opened up the doors behind the goal and had a lengthy discussion with the ref. This is what the world of youth hockey is today. They ref was clearly shaken after this. It took him a few minutes to get back up to speed. Total bullshit. No win situations anymore for refs.
    2 points
  25. So if you want someone that hold the kids accountable he is for you. If you cant handle your child being disiplined then Probably not for you. Some parents think they know best and just cant handle their little "superstar" being held accountable. God for bid my kid did something wrong and he was held accountable.. sometimes he does things unconventional and some dissagree with that so they trash him.. to each their own. I've seen 1st hand what he has done with kids and parents that are willing to buy in and learn. But some just refuse and blame others for their issuse.. common in today's so
    2 points
  26. Having been there done that too many times over the years, I gotta say "maybe" and "it depends"..... How's that for a committed answer. I went back and watched the whole game and I zoomed in a lot on the contact that started the altercation. I have my doubts, but I would still call a penalty for boarding. I can also see someone not calling it. The Huskie player bent over and tried to duck as the Pred player lined him up. He got tangled with the Pred player who rode him in. I couldn't decide after multiple replays if I thought he just rode him in, or pushed\guided him too. On the Ice you get o
    2 points
  27. No, back to normal would be all of the 01-03 BY parents at each other’s throats but most have seemingly moved on as their kids have aged out of amateur. Those were the glory days.
    2 points
  28. Just when I was wondering when things would get back to normal, we now have a newly lit Pens / Vens bonfire. Thanks for igniting the flame throwers boys, at least things are back to normal here on this forum.
    2 points
  29. The rankings aren’t even worth paying attention to this year for AAA. There are more than a few programs trying to fly under the radar by not reporting scores due to their states COVID protocols. I’m sure some don’t want to hear that. You see your kids team a top others and want that validation, especially if it’s another local team your squad is ahead of. I’m painting with a broad brush across most birth years, and this is not a shot at the Vengeance 08’s. They are obviously the deeper group. In a regular season, they would be ranked high(er). The coach and squad absolutely deserves any and a
    2 points
  30. If you notice Moj made 3 comments to bring this subject up after months of being an inactive thread but thanks for trying buddy. Like I said this is supposed to be a DISCUSSION BOARD. That means I can have opinions on organizations without being a part of that organization. You know it's weird when you read up on organization websites and talk to different people at different organizations how much you can find out instead of drinking the Kool-aid and only having 1 opinion that is told the way you should feel.
    2 points
  31. I'm not sure I would spend money on anyone who says they are going to canada in April. As much as I hope that would be possible I just don't see it.
    2 points
  32. Brad Posey - that says it all.
    2 points
  33. its all on honor system. we are out of town 2-3 weekends a month and we never did any of this mumbo jumbo bs
    2 points
  34. Looks like NY is now open for youth hockey games being played in-state.
    1 point
  35. A ~3 “goal” MHR difference between #5 to #60 is a lot closer than most PAHL divisions.
    1 point
  36. I am always salty. Like the Salty Cracker on Youtube.
    1 point
  37. Clearly Wes is salty for some reason. Poor guy.
    1 point
  38. Most teams enjoy playing a highly ranked team that they wouldn’t have the opportunity to otherwise. Hopefully by 18U that in itself would be considered a “win” instead of going home with a meaningless trophy and title. Nice job ATC on attracting some really good teams. The 16U bracket looks like it was especially impressive.
    1 point
  39. In the last tourney that Alpha did at 18uAA, they had an "SSA" team that was loaded with high end players and they were all wearing random jerseys, not SSA jerseys. It was NOT the same "SSA PREP" team that was at this MLK tourney. Half the kids were 6-3 or taller on the prior tourney and that team was vastly superior to any other AA team in the bracket and it was coached by a guy (Darren) who had coached PPE before (might still be with PPE for all I know).
    1 point
  40. SSA is a very young team this year (at least 6 freshman playing significant minutes, including the entire 2nd fwd line) AND they were missing a few of their top players. Nowhere near as competitive as last years' roster, which was dominated by a strong senior class. Even very good '05s and '06s are going to struggle at times playing against '02s. They should be strong again in a year or two.
    1 point
  41. Also the schools in WPa are much, much smaller than out east. Many, if not most of the A high schools in the East would be AA or AAA based on their size.
    1 point
  42. Not over here in West. They have some weird competitive formula. Unless you are a co-op, you can move up divisions. I know, it makes no sense.
    1 point
  43. This is a high school thread isn't it? AAA, AA and A all reference school size, not competition level. The State Champions in A the last few years can skate with and beat just about any other teams in the state. The recent Flyers Cup champions in AA and A are in the same ICSHL division and regularly play each other.
    1 point
  44. It will likely be a cluster in the future for sure. We'll be gone from youth hockey by then so it doesn't make a difference to me. Given that Center Ice had just renovated, put new ice in all sheets, expanded their parking lot and was adding outdoor Lacrosse, I do find it interesting timing. But this COVID likely will cause multiple rinks to sell off.
    1 point
  45. As a journalist, my sources are protected under the 1st Amendment.
    1 point
  46. One of our tournaments got shut down right BEFORE COVID last year. After much effort, we got half our money back. I think the private tournament companies are shady as hell in good times. I try to pay as last minute as possible as a result.
    1 point
  47. Keep in mind too that everything is just on the honors system. AAA teams around here have already been out of state on back-to-back weekends and doing what they please. Not hiding it either when you can clearly see the schedule on their websites.
    1 point
  48. Call your cards what they are, that whole pile of manure was the doing of one person. He took two respectable AAA organizations and bullied them into submission. The original intent was to provide his own little playground for his kid and all his buddies but that plan quickly morphed into something much more detrimental for Western PA hockey.
    1 point
  49. This all goes to show that Pittsburgh is a AA hockey town as it should be. AAA lost in transition from Hornets to PPE and the addition of gold and black teams. A lot of parents felt their kids were better than some of the players on the black teams and hence the never ending pursuit of the third A.
    1 point
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