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  1. Hi! Board member here👋 You had a bad experience a few years ago that I am sorry to hear about. BUT a majority of the current board was not involved in that so the continuous barrage of “bad people on the board” is annoying and offensive. Many of us are new and working extremely hard. I swear, you just sit and stare at the website waiting for something scandalous to pop up. Yes, Posey resigned on his own accord. His decision. And his “resume” is really not any more impressive than the next when you consider he did not play past high school hockey. The coaches that are lined up have all played a high level of hockey past high school: i.e AAA, Juniors, college. Is he a good skills coach? Absolutely. But so are 100’s of others. That’s not an insult it’s just a fact. Yes, we had attrition. We were expecting a high amount. We were surprised how high that amount ended up being. There was definitely a lot of self reflection and plans put in place moving forward. Hockey is fickle. I’ve been around it long enough to see many organizations have mass exodus’s and push forward. Parents are always looking for the next big thing or greener grass. Some organizations profit from it, some don’t. It ebbs and flows. The “it” organization isn’t the “it” organization for more than a few years in a row. I honestly wish you would just move on from NHAHA and find a new obsession. Some of us there are truly there to make a difference and to grow the organization. This week alone, I’ve put more hours in on the phone and sending emails than I did for my own job. Please just accept that your previous experience sucked but it had literally nothing to do with those of us there who are putting in the work to make other’s experience a positive 1.
    7 points
  2. But..... aren't the majority of the "AAA" players not actually AAA but in reality "faux AAA" as many on here profess? If that's the case, then the AA players should have no issue competing with them and the A players should use the opportunity to push themselves to their best. It can't be both ways.
    6 points
  3. I would say the first rule of hockey is to stay away from skills coaches that are team coaches and team coaches that are skills coaches. Keep those separate.
    4 points
  4. It tends to be cyclical, but the 2010 parents may be the craziest in awhile. A good half of them are just not nice people at all. They forget the true value of youth sports.
    4 points
  5. I’ve heard a handful of former players will be coming back. The kids currently on campus will begin training together this year . I’m guessing the transfer portal will provide some players next year as well. For those commenting on trusting the program? The man responsible for eliminating it is gone - which to me speaks volumes and the community rose up and supported the program like never before financially. Many of the same people coaching and recruiting are still there or returning. It was an excellent program both in the men’s and women’s side.
    3 points
  6. To all the guys who make it happen for their kids!
    3 points
  7. I coached 3 on 3 summer for a few years. Huge mix in talent. B up to AA(AAA). All friends. All having a blast. Didn’t really care about who won .
    3 points
  8. Watching for years, the AA and A kids hit a lot more than the AAA kids. The AAA kids tend to pick their checks because if they miss 1 that is a quick odd man rush the other way. If you didn't want your kid getting hit then don't put him in a checking tournament. Just play school league.
    3 points
  9. You exhaust me. And nothing I say changes your opinion. You just skirt around with your accusations. And I’m done trying to converse with you. But I would like to clarify 2 points: 1. Posey was not chased out. He priced himself out. When the board pushed back on a line item he became upset. They were against raising costs any more than necessary due to rising ice costs. Both sides met several times with out an agreement. He choose to leave. End of story. 2. I think you have forgotten what NON PROFIT means. You continue to say “money hungry”. We do not see a dime. What comes in goes out by the end of the season. There is no profit. We are VOLUNTEERS. I did not get paid for any of the hours I put in for trying to help fix Posey’s mess last week. I pushed aside work for my paid job to help. I continued to pitch in even when I’m already overwhelmed with my oldest graduating and throwing his party and getting him prepared to leave for college. We are not all self-serving, money hungry parents. We really do have the kid’s best interest in the for front. Posey leaving does not affect my child in any form or fashion. He’s on the Viper’s end and his team is secure. I could have washed my hands and said, “not my monkey, not my circus” but my concern is making sure that the kids were affected by this in the least possible way. There are several of us working hard on this even though our kids have no ties to Posey. You speak of ethics and what’s good for the sport but scoff at it when it’s demonstrated. There’s nothing anyone can do to help you see past your haze of anger.
    3 points
  10. True NHAHA has hit some set backs these past few seasons. Changing rink ownership wouldn't be easy on any program. Board member transition... Uncertainty hit the organization hard. There are extremely passionate people leading the NHAHA program now. The people that stepped up immediately upon Mr. Posey departure only prove to me and others involved that they do not in fact have "1 foot on a banana peel"! They are turning the corner! Better days are coming! There are extremely good/talented people stepping in to make NHAHA a successful organization. I won't name them directly, but keep trolling and I'm sure you will find out on your own soon enough. Look forward to proving all the sad/sorry naysayers wrong!
    3 points
  11. I'd say it's more based on the players work ethic. Many top end players at 10U learn at a young age that they don't have to work hard to be the best. The kids who struggle through the early stages of hockey learn how much the hard work pays off. Obviously this isn't always the case as there are good young players who work very hard, but it's certainly easier for them to just go through the motions.
    3 points
  12. This is a good reminder to all that a player doesn’t have to be on a AAA team from day one to be able to play AAA etc. There’s a lot of FOMO that if someone isn’t there by 12u it’s going to be all over for them. Not the case.
    3 points
  13. My son played last year and will play this yeah. We did well even against the stacked Philly team. It was a fun weekend. That’s all it is. Think it’s a money grab? Don’t play. There I fixed it. BTW our team last year was mostly ACHA D1/2, few AAA (have fun defining that), and the rest mostly AA. Roster who tries out. As large as the central region is it’s basically beaver/Lawrence and Erie with some central pa. philly shows up with genesis/jr. Flyers
    2 points
  14. I thought his comment odd, too, in light of exactly what you said. Politics comes into play every where you go. If you are picking between the same level of talent, some other factor comes into play, including I know this kid and his family thus they are a known entity. But it could be lots of things, like ...your kid is a known trouble maker...you are bad in the stands....etc. This is a small hockey town. By the time your kid hits U18, everyone knows someone who knows your kid.
    2 points
  15. Seems @FNFA has a son that got cut from the SCIR U-18 team and is sore about it. Since this team is coming off winning a national championship, I would put my trust in those running this team over you.
    2 points
  16. To all the Dad Coaches. What a thankless job!
    2 points
  17. Sorry about the outage since 6pm last night 6/17. Our hosting provider was upgrading their entire network. We are back online now. The site should be up to 3X as fast now. Thanks all- PB
    2 points
  18. I’m amazed at how many spring/summer tournaments there are these days. It has to be nearly impossible to make competitive divisions with rosters being all over the place. I always had my kid doing private and group lessons this time of year because it gave him the freedom to play lax and baseball. Still skated 2-3 times a week plus dry land but the schedule was semi-flexible. And from what I see these days, you have a lot of kids who could use less 12-2 games and more work on their individual skills. At all levels.
    2 points
  19. Spring/summer hockey gives kids a chance to play with their friends and have fun. Some of those AAA kids get pushed so hard from August-March and they don't get to hangout with their friends like they want or have fun. You will have this problem everywhere this time of year and it happens in a lot of sports during the off season.
    2 points
  20. The number of "vicariously living through their children" parents has increased exponentially in hockey over the last 10 years. Coinciding with the launching of?
    2 points
  21. yep guess we are back to the crazy squirt and peewee parents bs.
    2 points
  22. Please enlighten me as to who the paid board members are, how much their salary is and how often are they paid? Seriously. I’d love to know.
    2 points
  23. I'll give everyone 1 guess as to what team Hockeyguy, kid31005 and LOLya's kids all play for. I mean, come on folks........ you can't think we're that stupid? We may be idiots, but not stupid.
    2 points
  24. Its all in what you and most importantly what your son wants , my son had a offer from a top 5 team and two top 25 this offseason. Because of the recent coaching hire at 15u , he decided to stay. I believe if he played for any other Pittsburgh team aside from the Pens he doesn’t get the exposure and offers.
    2 points
  25. Actually have to agree. Rarely do you find ethics pretty much in most sports today. I do know some of the board member there are definitely unhinged and the few that weren't, well left because of this. Sad because they could have been a solid organization. We started out playing there for 2 years but then left. When you have a coach that doesn't know the game at all and can't skate you know it's time to go, especially when the organization tells you that they are going to send their "skills" coach to help out. Well, he showed up ONCE during the season and was appalled at how the practice was ran. Well, they never sent him back and things went back to how they were. The coach was a good person just unfortunately didn't know hockey. The board on the other hand or President at the time, did listen then never acted except the one time. Sad. These families pay a lot of money so their kids can learn the game and end up learning nothing. Now, I do know that it is hard to find volunteer coaches that have actually played the game for B/A Level Hockey. This is a big problem. But if you have the board promising to have the PAID guy on staff, Skills Guy, to visit practices until things get better and have him only show up once, that's bad business practice. Eventually everything comes back to bite you. Just like it did for the Armstrong Arrows 18U NB team last season. I think only 1 kid (and not even sure about him) out of 7 that could have returned there this season went back. The kids had enough of the political crap. I just checked and the 1 kid that I thought returned didn't even go back. They have a whole new roster.
    2 points
  26. Everything I stated became true and is true. My skin in the game is the friends and families that are still being misled by this unethical organization. They begged, pleaded and bribed many players to stay/come back. Then they chase the coach out. (I am not for or against Posey, he never coached my kid). They are money hungry and no good for hockey. Call me what you want behind your keyboard, you sound like a tough guy. I will continue to refrain from name calling as I always have. I will always side with ethics and what's good for the sport.
    2 points
  27. I do think the playing experience of a coach is very much overrated. I'd take a coach with good coaching history over a good player any day. With that being said, the lack of playing experience isn't what makes Posey a poor coach. I have no problem exposing a bad coach who is overpaid, but I think it's crazy that people come on here to bash board members of clubs. These are volunteers, who almost all have the players best interest in mind at all times. There are always going to be a few bad ones, but the majority are very generous for donating their time just to get bashed by parents who had a bad experience. Maybe those parents should donate their time to help out instead of complaining about everything.
    2 points
  28. Looking only at my one son's birth year, the kid who was best player entering squirts is still now the best player in midgets. Frankly, most of the kids who made the PPE gold team out of squirts are still very good players. Some are still at PPE, some at Esmark and some at Vengeance. It is really hard for an unathletic 9 year old to make the PPE Gold team. For the most part, it is the kids who were on the black team that have become PAHL players. I don't think you realize just how many of the younger AAA kids are actually doing the work. Maybe some AA kids don't do anything extra but most of the AAA kids are definitely doing something extra. Walk into any rink and you will be amazed how many AAA kids are doing lessons. Sometimes, a couple of times a week. If the younger kids drop to AA from AAA it usually isn't because they don't have a work ethic.
    2 points
  29. This is the best comment on this entire thread... the term perspective was used and that is 100% on point. Some stuff isn't for everyone, and the player should dictate where they are playing and at what level. Then the ability for a family to allow that to happen comes into play. Let the player "drive the bus" and then use that to help shape the decisions being made based off of an individual situation. My son has aged out, but but started at a smaller organization and was very often the best player on the ice even when skating with kids 2 years older than him, we then made the decision to decline an offer from PPE and play PAHL AA for a few seasons at a larger organization and then he ultimately did move on and play on a few different AAA teams before he aged out. Had chances to play junior at different levels, but we were lucky that he was a good student and he decided to just focus on school after graduation. Very happy with the path he took and the friends both him and our family made through the journey. The cost, which was significant, was more than worth it when you consider the experiences, friends, and other connections all of us were lucky enough to make through hockey.
    2 points
  30. Officially lost any and all credibility! Buying what the Aviators are selling🤣🤣🤣 The Renegades "dad ball" equivalent Keep huffing that paint thinner clonbur😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
    1 point
  31. You are not a NON-PROFIT organization. You are Not-for-profit, big difference. You also have paid employees and board members. It sounds like they sit back and let you do all the work. I am sure the Aviators will appreciate your hard work.
    1 point
  32. Peewees and summer hockey. 🙄
    1 point
  33. I don't have kids, but I was at the rink and watched a few minutes of the games that were going on as I was entering/leaving for adult league. None of the hockey I witnessed was AAA
    1 point
  34. We played AA from Bantam on. It was appropriate for his dedication level. He had talent to potentially play higher but not the passion. That’s fine with me. He had a blast. Made great friends. Played two other sports. Went to proms and homecomings etc. Hes going to play either D1 or 2 ACHA depending on his dedication level. I’m fine with either one. AA tended to cost us around 3K in fees. A couple years we played independent and PAHL so more travel was needed but everyone understood that. Some years we did 3-4 tourneys with 1 or 2 in town. Some years we did 6-8 mostly out of town. From Bantam to midget we lost about half our kids. Some to whatever AAA. Some to school full time. A few just had enough and focused on other sports. Had my son worked harder and wanted some level of AAA I would have supported it. To me hockey was red about an expectation of NHL glory. It was about the time we spent together. That was worth every dollar. He played travel baseball for a while and my daughter played travel softball. I spent a lot of money. The same I would have spent on a nice vacation every year. Adults make decisions. I’m glad we do have some intelligent discussions that newer parents can get info from. I often wonder why the bulk of this board is slamming PPE or “faux” AAA but to each their own. The fun part is my grandson played his first year of mites this year. I have the experience now. I also laugh at the ridiculous mite parents although my wife reminds me that was us 12 years ago. if your kid is playing now then cherish the time and understand they probably aren’t going to play in the NHL. Understand that there are great camps and skills development but also understand that their are people out there who will tell you anything for dollars. Sit back and get your joy from the joy your kid has. Isn’t that what it means to be a parent? If you are constantly pissed off about coaches/playing time etc. really talk to your kid. Are they really pissed off too? Ultimately listen to your kids. Understand what they really want. Fill that need if you can. If your kids aren’t playing anymore than relax and offer sage advise. Don’t just say xyz sucks. Tell them why and don’t say it if it sucked for you because of whatever. Give them a little more perspective.
    1 point
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  36. Watch yourself on this with other parents - competition, most are only looking out for their own.
    1 point
  37. Yes, 100% agree. One other thing I would add is if you are interested in moving to a different organization or a higher level, take the time to talk to another parent who has a kid on that team, or in that organization and see what they say and what their view of that team/organization is. There's always a chance that a given team at a higher level might not be a good fit for numerous reasons, but the biggest issues I've heard about over the years have been: 1. Coach's style isn't a good fit. 2. Player wasn't ready for that level of intensity/commitment. 3. Not a good fit with other players/parents. 4. Financial commitment/travel schedule. Parents definitely need to do their research prior to making a decision because each of those issues can be addressed prior to jumping somewhere. Don't be afraid to reach out to a head coach and ask to speak with them get an idea of their philosophy on coaching and other aspects of what a season would look like.
    1 point
  38. My kids have all aged out, but here's the advice I would give: Play at the highest level that your player is capable of playing and your personal economic situation allows. If you enjoy traveling on weekends and spending time with the parents, then do it. If you don't or your personal situation doesn't allow it, then don't do it. Hockey has changed, and the correct path isn't always a straight line anymore. Hockey, and ALL youth sports, has become a business and that's not going to change. If your player has the skill to play at a high level, do it... if your financial and social situation allows you to do it, do it... if you and the rest of your family are comfortable with it, do it. All anyone on here can do is give advice based off of what their experience and knowledge tells them. If someone doesn't agree, that's fine, but instead of attacking, share the difference of opinion and debate, no reason to get personal or go on the attack. Ok, back to hockey... With all the tournaments that are available now and with LiveBarn, if a player is really talented they more often than not get noticed. Players from PAHL teams get invited to Mid-Am Evaluation Camp. Very rarely do those kids get chosen, but they get the opportunity. From what I understand from speaking to evaluators the difference tends to come from the difference in the intensity of the game as the level of play ramps up. Regardless of what you have to say about "faux AAA" teams, if they are ranked in the 40's to 60's and the PAHL "AA" team is ranked in the 120's the difference between the teams is usually due to the teams strength of schedule. With a more difficult schedule usually comes a higher level of intensity and can a "good AA player" adapt to the speed, physicality, and intensity of a "AAA" game?
    1 point
  39. I would say so. If you are still good enough to get to D1, Major Junior, or pro, that will be obvious somewhere along the line no matter where you play.
    1 point
  40. Ever want to meet up for a beer just let me know, you seem like a real hockey guru. by your comments all you do is look at stats and did not watch many games.
    1 point
  41. takes a real corncob to bash other kids and teams that your kids wont ever play against or be apart of. why all the angst pucks11? my son loved playing for that coach. did he waller out your mrs or something?
    1 point
  42. I just mean they will be criticized either way. Criticized if they stay PAHL and criticized if they play independent
    1 point
  43. if they were smart, they would all stick together and continue playing AA pahl and independent AAA teams like the 05 renegades did, chase another tier 2 national championship.. otherwise they will get lost in AAA hockey and never get the chance to experience another national championship run. but parent egos will get in the way as usual..
    1 point
  44. Implementing AA Minor PAHL divisions at 12U and 16U would help the issue of better BY teams at the bigger clubs going fully independent/AAA. BY teams make it easier to schedule independent games for good teams Parents seem to gravitate towards BY teams AA Minor division will let the better BY teams in their minor year stay AA, stay in PAHL, and schedule an aggressive independent schedule on the side Not saying BY teams are good or bad. Not saying AA Minor divisions are good or bad. Just saying this would keep more of the good teams in PAHL.
    1 point
  45. they do have dad coaches there, maybe you should go save the program from ruin?
    1 point
  46. Because you can get the same or better hockey development while playing most of your games within an hour of your home. Common sense.
    1 point
  47. Why not go independent and play the top 20 07 teams in the country like they have been? Sounds like a choice for them not for us.
    1 point
  48. We can all sit in front of our computers and post what the divisions and groupings should be, but it hasn’t and wont happen in PAHL. so why rehash it every season at every age? Unless you’re in the parent/coaches meetings or organization meetings where these things are determined what does it matter? Why no mention of shaha going independent and being ranked below that badger team still. I guess they get a free pass?
    1 point
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