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  1. I can't believe there's even a discussion about these rankings after the first release. Let's revisit these in about 8 weeks.
    8 points
  2. I make my 9 year old rewatch every single practice and tell me exactly why he messed up the drill or missed the shot. Then he does 100 pushups for every mistake he makes. He will thank me when he’s in the NHL in nine years. Couldn’t do it without livebarn!
    7 points
  3. While I know those local clubs do not require junior hockey, I talk to a few of the head coaches of those teams fairly regularly and the consensus between them is that the kids who play tier 3 juniors are significantly more prepared. It's nothing to do with the talent and completely based on maturity, responsibility, accountability and the ability to play a more physical game. The ones only play midgets typically take at least a full season to adjust. I could care less where people decide to play, just passing along what I have been told by a few of the local coaches.
    4 points
  4. No different than the origin of the Hornets as well as the PPE.
    4 points
  5. f that shut your mouth and go to the box.. refs are sick off taking shit from kids, coaches, and parents.. kiddos to the ref.. learn some respect.. reputation makes things easier to call. pretty soon we won't have any refs.
    4 points
  6. I'm aware of the progression but I'm also aware of officials who are very good at......... how should I put this? Exacerbating the situation. Baiting....... whatever you call it, it happens. Maybe not in this instance but who really knows?
    4 points
  7. Or Gilmour - it tends to help credibility when you know what you are talking about
    4 points
  8. Sigh. Can't anymore on this board figure out how to have a discussion without name calling and mud slinging? Always so delightful.
    3 points
  9. The 06 and 07 teams are midget and SHAHA is definitely better at 06 and currently ranked better at 07. If we are talking u18 it's meaningless anyway according to this board. You either are in the NHL or need to play beer league at that point. 🤣
    3 points
  10. “I think he is on that SHAHA team.” Lol Thanks for the recon SHAHA dad.
    3 points
  11. Who said they were all world. The conversation has simply been that every 06 Pittsburgh kid is in Cleveland. Last year, that 06 Barons teams with all the Pittsburgh kids on it shit kicked the 06 Pens team with everywhere else’s kids on it. The pens aren’t proficient at what they claim to do. They play a tough schedule, secure those top 10 rankings regardless of win and losses, then promote themselves as some powerhouse organization. Their results with giving kid’s opportunities to develop don’t even match up to lower level orgs around the country. The director thinks he’s creating the Chicago Mission 2.0. He is a pioneer in one sense, that he saw inflation coming for about six consecutive years now. As the prices have rose steadily over those 6 years, sometimes with 1k increment jumps to the next year. No more ice time, no additional training. Cost of freezing ice in Cranberry is just higher I guess. All that’s being created though is a haven for rich parents whose kids are otherwise unhappy elsewhere. Or parents who want to be sucked off by a program, and feel the warm feelings and validation of being wanted and recruited__At the expense of local kids. As I mentioned in the last thread (linked in the first post)__ the business model is to rely on locals squirt - peewee. Tell them everything they want to hear. Let them experience a soft ‘fucking’ in bantam minor. Then drop the bomb when it’s time for excel. We all know what you squirt and mite parents are thinking__ my kid is too good. Our team is too good. Ironically, no one has been more deep with local kids than the 06’s at the Pens. As of last year, 15o, they had what… 2 locals left on the team? Stop taking your mites there, stop taking your squirts there, if you’re still there in peewee’s start looking for alternatives in the next year. Or you will find out the hard way. Just like the rest of us whose kids were top notch, some of the best in the country, getting invited to all the exclusive spring teams, having the number 1-8 ranked team in country. If you can get two consecutive squirt birthyears to pull their head out of their ass (to no fault of their own; they’re new)__ but if you can educate these people on what they would avoid by going a different route early on__ you will get every birthyear to follow and that will be the end of this unfortunate period in Pittsburgh hockey. It’s a win - win for parents. Take all of PPE’s customers (as they call them) and put them in Harmarville for a season. Take out of the equation the pens jersey, the glorified concession stand, and the rinks. What will happen is the 08 Vengeance at every birthyear. There’s some seriously talented players on that team, your child, Mr squirt Dad is not better than their best player. So put your ego aside and get the crew rounded up. Go play for Zeiler or someone down there. Kids fucking love him. Forget the pens elite car decals, nobody cares about those past age 12. What do you want more? Your (local) kid to have a shot at development or 4-5 years of Facebook photos in a Pens jersey? Any doubts? Again, look at 08’s. They’re getting invited to all the popularity contests they would have if they were at Pens. No kid on that team is missing a beat. At probably less than half the cost of the cult, and almost certainly 1/4 the bullshit. Do you know what else they won’t do in Harmarville? They won’t force your squirt player to commit money to the team__ then not tell you if he’ll be on on the gold or black team until September. That whole process was created to undermine any other local programs attempt to get some of those squirt players away from Pens. There’s not a single legitimate reason why the squirt coach waits that long to create the team. Other than to serve PPE’s interests. Thats your first red flag, but if you miss it, don’t worry many more coming. What are the results? Why is some team in Jersey who practices 3 nights a week putting kids into juniors and college > the Pens 24/7 cult buzzsaw? Just an example. Very interesting when you start to look at the Penguins Elite’s results in developing kids. Columbus outperforming them heavily? Many such cases around the country, Why? They’re on the ice more than anyone… Why is the director now holding ‘excel’ camps in Sweden? Coincidentally there are now kids from Sweden at Pens. Mite/Squirt parents. When the phone call comes. Ignore it. Even if you’re at 66’rs now. Play the game, organize behind the scenes in those few years, then leave, don’t look back and change your numbers. If one of the Scientology members is still able to reach you, tell them you don’t have any money. They will leave you alone. Better yet, go have fun and play regular mite hockey with everyone else. Enjoy the local tournaments and that age in general. That’s one of the most special time frames in the process. Don’t let them take that from you as well___ even if your intentions are still to go the PPE route.
    3 points
  12. No need to check 55 games if you only look at losses🤔. Also this year's rankings are not listed yet. You sound like a PPE parent trying to play dumb and stir the pot. What random person that has no kid playing at all and is not a scout just goes and buy a pass for $45 to watch kids play hockey. You sound about as creepy as that grandfather upset that he can't watch his grandkids practices on Livebarn.
    3 points
  13. Tier 3 juniors not Div 3 NCAA. Just making sure everyone is on the same page.
    3 points
  14. Personally I'd rather my son choose to play junior hockey at 18-20 years old and pay $15k/yr for it, take some online courses to figure out what field of study he wants to really pursue all while playing good hockey and making lifelong friends and memories, than make him decide what school he "needs" to go to straight out of high school that may or may not have a club hockey program he could play for all while paying $40k a year to the college, PLUS the club hockey dues only to find out a couple years in its not the right fit and have to start over or abandon it all together. Every single player and family have different views on the right path. Statements like the one below are so antiquated and out of touch with the reality of todays youth it makes me cringe. People are waiting until their mid thirties before getting married and having kids now. Letting your kid play a couple years of junior hockey is not going to "set him behind his peers". "Be aware that to some extent you may be setting them behind their peers. Their friends will start getting real jobs, married, starting families. Your kid will still be messing around with hockey and school. Maybe having a hard time finding a girl because they aren't making money. Mentally that can be hard. All to extend a hockey career that won't go past college for club hockey...."
    3 points
  15. For arguments sake maybe kids should just age out at 16! No PAHL or any other recreational leagues. Only Tier 1 hockey. And only the top 30 programs in the country. Why should anyone else waste their money? (Oh I forgot maybe there are some kids who just really like to play the game at the highest level they can!)
    3 points
  16. This is very possible and may be a good thing. Idk enough about both organizations but I have to think there is way too much pandering to creating travel hockey for kids who should only be playing in-house (soak up that money so you can brag about your kids game 3 hours away even if it is B hockey).
    3 points
  17. Congrats to SHAHA. I'm sure that win felt good. I'm excited to see what #15 does in the future. This just goes to show you that there are no cut and dry answers to what clubs are "legit" AAA and what clubs are "faux" AAA. It's a team by team basis. If anyone doesn't think this SHAHA 06 team is legit AAA, I'm not sure what to tell them. That doesn't mean that every SHAHA and Preds AAA team is legit. This win is also not some confirmation that PPE is a terrible program.
    3 points
  18. Is Paul Taibi the coach ? If so - interesting fact - he coached a black team for PPE that beat the elite at MID AMS quit a few years back when the black teams were a thing. He also took PPE’s first year of 15u’s to the semi finals at Nationals. He develops players. Many are of the opinion he is the best youth hockey coach in the area.
    3 points
  19. 3 Misconducts?? At the same time? Is it possible that someone with a whistle got carried away? As far as the conduct, it's never going to change. It's been consistent for 50 years.... handed down through generations.
    3 points
  20. This was solved years ago with the Hockey Helper Helmet. Get with the times.
    3 points
  21. Since the Pens post is leading us in this direction, I decided to do the work. I only looked at 2007 (Bantam Major) last year in the MyHockeyRankings. As most of you know, the rating tells you how many goals you are expected to beat another team. If we are saying to be "legit" AAA you shouldn't get blown out at the top, we run into a pretty immediate problem as there are some truly elite teams out there. Shattuck St. Mary's is a 99.99. #3 Pens elite should lose to them by a goal every time, on average. That is insane talent and a huge dropoff. Consider much lower in the rankings a 1 goal difference goes from 182-224. By the time we get only to #19. the Flyers, they should lose to Shattuck by 5 goals (and Pens by 4) on average. Not very competitive. The Flyers, however, at #19 could play everyone down to #47 and only win by 2 goals on average. And #47 could play basically anyone in the top 100 and have a 2 goal average win but still lose to Shattuck by 7. That means #100 could have a roughly 4 goal, on average, game against #19, which depending on your perspective is a blowout or not. In fact, for the Flyers at #17 to beat a team by 5 goals or more, they would have to play teams below 146. All that to be said, trying to pigeonhole who is AAA is silly. What we can all agree on is that having too many AAA teams waters down the local competition (PAHL). Sometimes I wish it was more like lacrosse where you had travel teams in a completely different season (maybe before or after the local clubs).
    2 points
  22. Hastings Kiski + Rossi Latrobe + Schmizzi Latrobe + Sacca Carrick + a couple that graduated all played in the PIHL is who I was referring to !!
    2 points
  23. What I find interesting is that D3 and USHL/NAHL teams become interested after they looked at ACHA top Players in action ? I fielded E-Mails and Phone Calls from them and have first hand experience No Juniors and No Tier 1 was a big money savings and time savings for our family as well. At 23 this Tier 2 and HS Hockey kid has moved on with MBA and great experience with ACHA and very good job. Hockey comes to an end at some point. Danner is right on this one !
    2 points
  24. Just to add to this list (and I am sure I am missing others from the 00, 01 birth years): NCAA Div. 1 Cade Webber - The Rivers School, BCHL, Boston University (drafted Hurricanes) Cameron Recchi - Cushing Academy, BCHL, Univ. of St. Thomas NCAA Div. 3 Richard Boysen – Skipjacks, NAHL, Trinity College Ryan Brown – Predators, NCDC, Hamilton College Wyatt George – Predators, OJHL, Babson College Sawyer Smith – Shady Side, EHL, Arcadia University Tanner Daniels – Pens Elite, NAHL, Hobart College Michael Heller – Barons, USPHL Premier, New England College Branwen Pollett – Predators, NA3HL, Nichols College Jordan Rosenbaum – Pens Elite, USPHL Premier, SUNY-Brockport Christian Colantonio - Trinity-Pawling School, EHL, Hamilton College (FYI 01 Players from Pittsburgh area that used to play PAHL – 1 NHL draft, 5 D1, 6 D3) I agree almost all of these kids played PPE at some point. However, many also played your "faux" AAA and even played Tier 3 Jr's. Regardless what the people on here keep stating it is not about ego (or the parents ego), it is about the kids and their desire to play the game and take it as far as they can. If you want real info on Jr's do not listen to the trolls on here, but go to the leagues websites, follow players and see their progression, or even talk to the kids themselves about their journey.
    2 points
  25. If acha junior teams are telling your player they have to play juniors to make the team, the hypothesis is easy to come to...they are currently just not going to make the team as all of the players who drank the Kool aid and payed to play juniors are now going to acha teams for an education....it's a vicious money making circle....
    2 points
  26. It's because players and parents get tired of all the BS money and travel. They get tired of going to Texas, Minnesota, Boston, Florida,... 10 times a year to play beer league at the end of the day.
    2 points
  27. I replied earlier, not sure why it didn’t take. if nothing has changed, ppe is just the host. The ushl puts on this promotion showcase for their leauge. They do a few of these a year in different cities. They only invite the “top” youth programs. The ushl coaches and scouts will be there. This is another reason in a long list why PPE is where your kid needs to play in western pa if you or your kid think they have a chance at anything after youth hockey. I don’t really like saying it, it’s just the truth.
    2 points
  28. In the spirit of making a knowledgeable consumer, this can all be summed up to Buyer Beware. No one can say a kid or a team should or shouldn’t compete at a certain level. Maybe for some reasons it’s the best fit for them. …but people also need to be realists and know what they’re getting into and know what they’re actually getting. If you’re going solely off MHR and National wins, that’s going to give you one answer. If you have a borderline AAA/AA kid that would benefit more from actually getting into a team and facing AAA competition than they would being a top 1-5 on a AA team, it’ll give you an another answer. There are some teams, organizations and parents who just want the ego stroke of saying your AAA. There are some that truly are national powerhouses. Then there are others that do develop kids but just aren’t national competitors. And yes there are some that are pure money grabs. Idk any organization well enough to pigeon-hole any of them. But I’m sure they all fit somewhere around that continuum. Unfortunately or fortunately the free market will dictate the number of teams. Personally I do think there are too many AAA teams, AA teams etc. I think there should be more in-house and cost effective programs and less travel and have travel reserved more for truly the top 50 percent of an areas players divided up from AAA to B because the output of time, money, and travel for travel hockey doesn’t give a reasonable return on investment. That being said, that will never happen. Just my two cents.
    2 points
  29. 9 AA teams for u18, yea ok......... prob should be 4-6 not 9. bet blowouts happen for sure
    2 points
  30. Nah, many more players than an average of the top 3. This is just last year - during covid rules and a transfer portal. http://nahl.com/player-advancement/college/index.cfm?season=2021
    2 points
  31. What you really need to do is find a guy who is a skills coach with no experience or background and has you jump over ADM mite dividers repeatedly.
    2 points
  32. You compleltly missed his point - those of us with aged out kids that have been through it, try to offer advice so others don’t get sucked into a money pit or have their expectations or dreams crushed.
    2 points
  33. The point of this board is to help educate each other about hockey especially people new to the sport. Yes people can spend their money however they choose. People on here just try to educate them so they don't unintentionally waste their money. It is absolutely insane to play pay to play juniors to play ACHA hockey. I repeat, it is insane to play pay to play juniors so you can play ACHA hockey. ACHA hockey is like everywhere else, if you are good enough you will get a shot. Not a bottom guy but a top player. PLEASE do not waste your money in tier 3 juniors so you can move on to ACHA hockey. If you go to a college with an ACHA program contact them and play there if you are good enough. If you are good enough they won't care what faux AAA team you played for or what tier 3 junior team you played for. Club hockey is a fun experience. The BS that you need to play tier 3 juniors is just that BS. If you would be a top one or two on the tier 3 junior team and still hoping to move on to a higher level (not ACHA club) then MAYBE take the gamble playing tier 3 understanding it will be very hard.
    2 points
  34. Why limit it to teams with a winning record? Lets go one step further and let anyone in as long as they pay the entry fee!
    2 points
  35. No, they would not. It would take all the teams to play in the same division to give them some element of local hockey. Let's look at '09, if Esmark, SHAHA, Preds and Icemen all played in a division with the 3-4 top '09 teams from PAHL, it would be good, but not great competition. It would give those teams 20 games in the area and they can round out their 50-60 game schedules with all the other AAA teams they wanted to play. Maybe that is the role Black Bear plays in all of this, start a WPA AAA division to their league and draw those teams in. Maybe add in Mid-State, Team Ohio, Barons to WPA?
    2 points
  36. Same sh!t, another year.
    2 points
  37. I understand the idea that at a certain point the AAA teams aren't legit, but I'd give them more credit that only going 30 deep. And yes there are way too many "AAA" teams in the area. But for reference, last year at the 16U level, the top 91 AAA teams in the rankings would have finished ahead of #5 at tier 2 (who was the local team who won nationals). There are plenty of faux AAA teams, but hard to say teams in the 30-50 range are dogshit....
    2 points
  38. There is sort of an emergency, if someone were to put carbon dioxide meters in that rink nobody would be allowed in. New Zamboni is needed assp. the boards are dangerous, that’s why the pros would not play the exhibition game after the rink won the Kraft hockeyville contest.
    2 points
  39. This thread is getting just a little...weird. I am sure they are both good hockey players. But it feels a little yucky, both the slobbering and the comparison of them to each other. Still kids, no matter the talent level.
    2 points
  40. You realize that there are kids at 16u AAA that are 6’3”+ and they are great skaters and can’t hit him? It’s possible, sure - unlikely at best… doesn’t make a difference because we’ll never see it. PPE is too “elite” to allow their kids to play with the peasants.
    2 points
  41. Them having the term Pittsburgh in their name irritates me more. Not much local flavor there these days.
    2 points
  42. And the old windbags at MidAm will fiddle while the PAHL burns.
    2 points
  43. I’m pretty much sick of everything and everyone if that makes you feel any better.
    2 points
  44. He's playing high school hockey again, which is nice to see. Don't think many PPE kids play HS which is a shame, especially if you have a good school program with a quality team. He may lead his team to a second state title in as many years, as a sophomore. Winning in front of a packed house of your classmates is pretty awesome.
    2 points
  45. WELL WELL WELL. SHAHA BEAT THE ppe U16 TEAM 2-1!!!!!!!!! GUESS ppe ISNT SO ELITE AFTER ALL!!!!!!!!! SO HAPPY THE ALL PGH TEAM TAKES DOWN CHICAGO RAN NA ALLSTARS. THERE ARE ALOT OF BUTTHURT ppe PARENTS TODAY THAT GOT A DOSE OR REALITY.
    2 points
  46. well, props to the ppe for playing a local opponent and not by way of force in a tournament.
    2 points
  47. Sounds like a real winner of a captain. Just the guy I would want leading my team!
    2 points
  48. Why did you wait till he was 9? You are behind the curve the Lil 66ers parents started that at 6 years old. Never going to make it to the NHL with that late of a start!
    2 points
  49. I think if you do it like it’s monkey in the middle then yes. But there’s ways it can be done to an extent. I’m of the school of thought both organizations are at fault. Who thought it would even be a good idea to have this game with that much disparity? I can’t blame the players for playing the game. They’re looking to move on and move up too.
    2 points
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