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I applaud Alpha for letting the games be played with regular rosters. I think we all know, by now, that there isn’t going to be much of a difference, in terms of risk, with regular rosters. 
 

On the other hand...

I also think Alpha is incompetent for letting parents in. Especially with people coming in from outside the state. 
 

Turn live barn on and keep the parents out. Nobody cares what is going on at Alpha, nobody is interested in watching Vengeance practices. Seemingly every rink in Pittsburgh has the cameras on, there’s nothing revolutionary going on - on Alpha’s ice pads.  Turn the cameras on and let parents get their fix that way. 

Please stop letting all of these people in your rink, and potentially ruining it for everyone. 

The O line a D grappling in football, receivers and D. 

A batter being at the plate for 2-3 minutes at times. Or a runner on 1st for 4-5 minutes. 

Hockey, especially now days is usually 1-3 seconds of random contact with another player. The game is just too fast. 

Trying to be as unbiased as possible. 
 

A basketball court is significantly smaller than an ice rink, the “zones” are significantly smaller than that of hockey. There fore you have significantly less space available, and more players crammed in to one area. 
 

Basketball is also a stop and go game. A player will stop with the ball for 10 seconds if he wants, while a defender gets in close trying to disrupt the play... all the while, everyone else on the court is following everyone else around as closely as possible. 
 

Hockey has its moments of close contact, but they’re are largely brief. It’s mostly quick movement in and out of another players atmosphere, save for net front battles and tying up along the boards. 
 

These two games are not comparable in risk, if we are talking about contact and exposure to another person. Basketball parents becoming upset under a scenario where hockey can be played, and basketball cannot isn’t worth their time. 
 

Actually, in terms of “Limited exposure time”... hockey may rank a head of every team sport. Football, baseball, basketball are all close contact for significant amounts of time. 

Just do line changes from the emergency exits.. honestly. Set up a little plastic tunnel leading to a tent on the outside , throw a warmer in there and get on with it. This would work at most rinks. 
 

10 on the ice, 2 goalies, 2 refs, 2 coaches and the next line up waits on bench or at the closest rink door. 

7 hours ago, Racchi’s Rug said:

The RMU idea is intriguing. Having played beer league there I can tell you that the boards on the outdoor rink are very high and don’t give much, checking there would be brutal. It would be cool to see the classic outdoor rinks at the parks reopened for regular hockey. Maybe the Pens would do something like they did at Highmark Stadium a few years back (doubtful) if outdoor becomes the norm. 

It may be time for someone to start thinking about building a few outdoor pads similar to the multiple outdoor facilities in Buffalo. Especially being there is no end in sight, and some saying this could go on for a few years (virus situation).

You could throw up a covered outdoor rink in what, a month and a half? Level the lot, build 1/4 a warehouse (steel pillars and roof) then pour the concrete. 
 

40 minutes ago, Pucks11 said:

I can agree with most of what you said here. The overall great job with the kids yes BUT only at the older age groups they openly admit to not worrying that much about the kids until midgets. 

The Vengeance are taking the Pens best kids a little at a time because they are learning to play hockey as a team where the Pens seem to focus on a few good kids and just round their roster out with whoever pays the most money. Yes that problem is everywhere in youth sports,  it's really sad. If the parents could put their egos aside youth sports would be a lot more fun. 

You must know the Pens parents that fork out the money for their kids if you never hear them complain or run their mouth. We were up there for 3+ years and that's all I heard sitting up there 3-5 nights a week. 

You can say that at the Vengeance about parents buying their kids a spot but somehow they are getting better each year ???. They keep the core kids and cut ties with the weaker ones, they have probably had the most turnover at the younger age groups and it has been for the better so far. While you take a look at the Pens teams and they keep getting worse each year because they allow mommy and daddy to buy their kids a spot on the mighty Elite team. 

I do agree with the just because they were in the NHL doesn’t mean they will make good coaches but 2 of those guys have a pretty good track record with the development of the younger kids and the Pens ran them out for the uppers buddies to come in. 

The director of operations up there is Crosby's best friend and he tosses that around when he goes out. 

You want to talk about selling dreams, how many kids from the PPE (since they became PPE) have made it to the NHL? A big fat 00. The Pens ride the old name with those posters of NHL’rs on the walls that NEVER stepped foot in that rink. 

- I don’t know if they “worry much” or not about pre-bantam players. If they admit that, they deserve credit. Because no prep school, junior program, college organization, semi-pro team, or pro team ever gave the slightest minuscule shit what a player can do or did in squirt and Pee-Wee hockey. Squirt and Pee-Wee hockey is roller hockey on ice skates. I wouldn’t go as far to say it “doesn’t matter” but it’s certainly not the game the older kids and pros are playing, not by any stretch. 
 

- There is 1 birth year there who had a few pens kids come over. And it’s not fair to anyone to discuss the intimate details of that so we’ll leave it at that. The talent pool here isn’t large enough to fill out rosters with kids who are at the top of their age groups at the moment. Neither the Pens, nor the Vengeance are able to do this. 
 

- In regards to parents complaining at PPE. Yes, probably. Everyone’s kid is a superstar. With that said, let’s not pretend like these conversations aren’t going on in every rink in America, at every organization in America. Excel is usually the topic du jor, and it’s a valid topic. Not every parent has the resources or time to place their kid(s) in this program and some fear it might work against their kid. Whether that’s valid or not, I cannot say. 
 

- I haven’t heard of anyone buying a spot at the Vengeance. I just think there are birth years there that have parents of certain players crossing boundaries. Yet the Vengeance let it happen so they keep the kid, and the cliques by proxy. The Pens losing a few kids to the Vengeance is not that significant to the Pens, honestly, they’ll just recruit out of town and bring in kids. The Vengeance losing a few kids to the Pens is a different story. 
 

- I have no direct knowledge of anyone working at the Penguins and being run out, of that actually happened, or if it’s nonsense. What I can say is that the Pens have a sharp staff up there, who aren’t running side gigs, and are invested in their respective teams. As far as being buddies, again I don’t know those dynamics, but who really gives a shit as long as the service they are providing is of value? 
 

- The director of operations up there is about as solid and fair of an individual you’re going to find in not only youth hockey, but youth sports. Again, I don’t care if he used to ride the school bus with Crosby, if he’s doing right by Pens kids then who really cares where, why, what or how? To my knowledge, he’s the longest tenured director up there to date, must be doing something right. 
 

- It is not the Pens, nor Vengeance, nor any youth programs job to “get kids to the NHL”. Their responsibility lies with giving kids the opportunity to improve themselves as hockey players, so that they are in a position to get interest from junior teams, prep schools etc. The Pens aren’t their to wave a magic wand and turn your kid into Bryan Rust. 
 

Going to end this debate before it takes up 19 pages. The Pens do an overall great job with these kids. However you can visit any program in America and find parents who have gripes. 
 

Like being a human on this earth, not everyone is going to like you based upon how they perceive reality. It’s a fact of life. 

What I will say is the Vengeance folks should really just focus on their program instead of the near constant obsession and attempts at “one upping” what goes on in Cranberry. There are a few people who come here and stir the pot about the Pens, to which I say, there is a a treasure trove of things we could talk about with SOME of the Vengeance people and SOME of the birth years down there... 

Yet I never see Pens parents, Pens employees or anyone else for that matter.. looking to air laundry on here or in general conversation around rinks. 
 

It’s always the Vengeance pens complex that gets the conversations started. And people, even those of us who may have had kids at Pens, kids at Pens currently, or kids never even involved with Pens are tired of hearing it. 
 

If you want to talk about it though, some of us are willing to get into some finite detail of what goes on at the Vengeance regarding some of their processes for creating teams and SOME of the parents having influence. 
 

disclaimer: there are some great hockey people involved at Vengeance. No blanket statements above. With that said, nobody cares about NHL players coaching. You cannot say the Pens are selling dreams, and in the same vein, tout that the Vengeance have NHL players for coaches. I don’t have any experience with the former players there, but if you really want to talk about who’s selling dreams.. The Vengeance are practically taking out billboards advertising this. 
 

Whether or not these NHL’rs are good coaches isn’t for me to say, I certainly hope they are and that them being a “great coach” benefits the Vengeance kids. Playing in the NHL doesn’t automatically equate to teaching youth players skills and game play though, so again, if you want to talk about selling dreams... 

56 minutes ago, Pucks11 said:

Was a part of that organization for a few years and decided to leave with all of the false promises. I still talk to a few parents and with the organization and they have barely had any practices let alone talked about games(which they haven't). At the end of a practice 2 weeks ago the coach pulled the kids/parents aside and told them that they know there are a lot of rumors going around about their organization but don't believe any of it. A couple of parents  are giving them a few more weeks to start producing SOMETHING or they are asking to be released. 1 parent sent the director of operations an Email asking about the season and he got a "there will be a season" message back with nothing else to it. They can't travel to Canada until at least January and by that time the season is almost over. Detroit is pretty much just sticking to Detroit and canceling a lot with teams around here, Boston (New England Area) are closed to outsiders. There are other local organizations with 30+ games scheduled and the parents at the Pens barely know when their next practice is. There are 2 local teams trying to schedule with the Pens and they were shot down or ignored through calls/texts and Emails. 

This is all absolute horse shit. The Pens are practicing per usual, and have been.

If I was a betting man, I would bet you’re one of the Veng’ and friends (Vengeance). With your throbbing raging hard ons you have for the Penguins and their staff. You nerds sit around and concoct fictional detail after fictional detail about everything and anything relating to the folks in Cranberry. 
 

Meanwhile you guys are down there letting parents create rosters and call shots. Everyone in Pittsburgh is sick of your Pens Complex. Even people outside the pens. 

Some of these districts took parental “surveys” to see if they should open or not. Talk about stupid. 
 

This country is just one train wreck after another anymore. It’s not only politics (both sides). It’s the every day, vanity and self serving culture of society. 
 

Every single one of us knows this school situation is going to end up slamming in to an ice burg... cracking in half and sinking. Half the ship has given up and doesn’t care, the other half is pretending the ice burg doesn’t exist. 

I would venture to guess that every single pre-caution schools are taking in their buildings will be negated by the buses. 

If the buses are to operate as normal, and I don’t see how they could operate any different. 

Opening schools is quite possibly the dumbest thing this country could do. I realize the effects it has on people’s work situations... but this is what it is. 
 

We are managing the situation well enough right now. Cases are there but the majority of us are able to get on with life, albeit different. Think about it, how many different people are you coming into close contact with daily. Probably not that many for the majority of us. 
 

Yet, we are going to send kids into a building with hundreds, sometimes thousands of other kids/humans daily/bi-daily and expect it to work? Why even attempt this? 

We all know what is going to happen. It’s going to turn into a shit show. Covid will pop up in the school, parents are going to freak out and keep kids home etc. 

Yes we all understand that kids for the large part, do not suffer the same consequences as adults. The issue, that the nay sayers cannot wrap their heads around is the fact that kids get it, maybe don’t have down time from it, but still spread it. 

Opening schools will not be looked at favorably in the history books. 
 

This is a collective stupidity though, and it’s going to take a district or two getting hammered by the virus for people to get it unfortunately. 

Are you wrong for thinking this is a bunch of non-sense? Maybe not? We don’t have enough data to make that determination yet. Data meaning real, vital, data... not the data conjured up from Tucker Carlson’s producer. 
 

BUT can’t we all just do the simple ass things that are being asked... so we, and most importantly, the kids can fly under the radar? 
 

or are we so fucking egocentric that we can’t help ourselves. We just have to let everyone know where we stand? 
 

Taking the governors feelings out of the equation. Sports could easily happen and probably go largely unscathed in regards to virus spread. 
 

The problem remains, for every coach and organization that is just doing the right thing, following guidelines. You have 5 other shit heads who are letting their personal beliefs and “muh freedoms” get in the way of common sense. 
 

The parents and the freedom fighters are the problem. Make no mistake. If Tom Wolf knew that there wouldn’t be an orgy of parents at high school football games, or youth hockey games, I promise you sports wouldn’t even be on the states radar. 
 

I digress, once again, the freedom fighters, the “patriots”, the coaches, the parents who are looking to “make a point” over what is best for the players are the sole reason why sports is at risk. 
 

As always, you can have your beliefs, you may even be right about them. Who knows? The FACT of the matter is the governing AUTHORITY feels a certain way about the situation and they are calling the shots. 
 

So you can either check your ego and do the strenuous, time consuming, death grappling task of wearing a mask, social distancing, not letting parents conduct their orgies... NOT DRAW ATTENTION TO THE YOUTH SPORT ATMOSPHERE. 
 

Or we can all continue to run around ignoring the states demand, grunting “merica”... and see what happens. 

I do not understand how anyone could “cancel” youth/school sports... when they will be cramming 200-2k kids into a building for school. 

How does 80 or so kids, 10 coaches and 4 refs standing on a football field outdoors even scrape the surface of risk... compared to sardines in a can (school classrooms and hallways). 
 

Without bias, the risk with 25 people indoors is minuscule compared to 2k teenagers in a high school. 
 

So if we are going to go all out and open schools, cancelling sports just seems like some kind of PR move. 
 

At the very least, teams should be able to do intra squad activities until there’s a better window to play real games. 

On 8/7/2020 at 6:45 PM, Quinlan2020 said:

I was snooping around the playing fields around my house and couldn't help but notice the lack of concern for any social distancing among the youth football participants, Coaches were actively encouraging high-fives, handshakes & huddling & yelling in close proximity. Kids on the sidelines were all over each other and parents were congregating all around the fields and in the parking lots. It was like stepping back to 2019. Too many people just don't care. Blame those people for possibly shutting down sports instead of the governor.

This is precisely why youth sports is at risk. 
 

Because there is a large segment of society who are not intelligent enough to “do the small stuff” (I.e. wear a mask, social distance, look like you are trying). 

Wherever you stand on the issue, your personal belief is your personal belief. However, you are a gigantic douche nozzle if you are a football coach, or any other coach, and you are not following protocol. 

This is equivalent to resisting the police. We all know the power trip some of those guys get on. So you play it cool and follow along, don’t escalate the situation with Officer Beatsmywife. Same premise. 

I digress, there are just too many low IQ delinquents out there to not draw attention to youth sports. They do not step back and think, if we stay out of the limelight and follow protocol... we could fair a lot better than running around the AstroTurf making out with each other every time someone catches the ball. 
 

Parents can’t help themselves. They see Joe and Mitch partying in the parking lot... we’ll we are going to be cool too. 
 

No way, these coaches need to be bad asses. And they’re going to show everyone how badass they are. Resisting the government, getting youth sports cancelled for the direction of this and by proxy turning our kids into a bunch of video game e-sports stars. 
 

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7 hours ago, 1&done said:

Buddy you'd PreJ if you saw her in PJs

I wasn't going to do this, but you deserve it for the above comment

If this pigeon gets back on it's squawk box change his handle to Laura Ingalls. Billet with Charles and Mary while on IR in the Prairie...(actually a healthy scratch) 

Based upon my looks and know how with women. Based upon the energy you are putting forth here, which is wreaks of insecurity. You literally have no retort to this, we have pages of your Napoleon complex here. And I’m sure she’s just about sick of it too, poor thing. 
 

I bet I could have her. I wish I knew who you were, I’d prove it.  While I may not get the chance, I promise, some other guy is going to get it. She can’t wait to feel a real man again. I can tell your marital situation by the way you talk.. your insecurity resonates with her and she’ll eventually let a guy like me have my way... if she’s not already. 

1&done, we are just having some fun. You really should rethink your approach though. Take it down a few notches babe. Leave me and my alts alone. 

Yeah I had to retire because I Got hurt. I was about to get called up to the prairie. 

SOY BOY HOCKEY DEVELOPMENT

_______ spent 2 seasons in the jungle before retiring to pursue his passion of finding information about minors on youth hockey forums. Prior to playing in the jungle, _______ was a stand out player for pleasant hills roller hockey u15 league. ________ attended the university of beaver county on a scholarship to play Dek hockey. 

Your future is now. 
 

Private lesson: $150 an hour plus ice fees

4 minutes ago, 1&done said:

Hey I made it further than your kid(s) and my parents never paid for an extra A

Oh you certainly made it farther than me. My parents weren’t asinine enough to fork over my college savings to a fundraiser team in some bumfuck town in western Ontario. 
 

As far as my kid, I’m willing to bet he’s done more than you have at the same age. Then again, I really don’t care to get personal. I just hope he doesn’t end up in the jungle, and coming out with questionable habits... 

Your kid really has talent, reminds me of a few guys I played with in “the J”. I’m running private lessons for 6 year olds, I’d love to wrk with him. 

Oh I know his type, the wife constantly making eye contact with a guy like me. Look of despair, mixed with “I’ll let you if you ask”... while he sways around the rink talking about his Tier 19 junior days to some unassuming group of mite parents he’s looking to con. 

Oh, forgive me for not knowing the ECHL is nicknamed the jungle. My kids haven’t made it that far yet, when they do, I’ll make sure they don’t end up scouring youth hockey forums for details about people’s children.. 
 

Is that common in the jungle? Frequenting youth hockey forums? 
 

Update: And this guy is full of it... no 17 year old is playing in the ECHL. He’s absolutely referring to some 18th tier Junior league in Canada, which he didn’t even play in. 
 

Final conclusion: 1&done, who turned out to be about 250&done, at our expense, is officially done. Times up clown. You had your chance. Back to the drawing board, get a new username and may I suggest easing your way in on Thursday. Let this be a lesson. 

And even if at some point, a relevant league was nicknamed “the jungle”. Your try hard attempt at referencing it as such is all we need to know in regards to the fact that you never played in it. Or the desert. Or the Tundra. 
 

You’re most likely some never was been selling snake oil to mite parents. That or a momo, on here trying to find information about people’s children. 
 

On 7/7/2020 at 11:42 AM, 1&done said:

Exactly. This alone is why I'm more qualified than you or any of your alts. 

Literally nobody calls any relevant junior league “the jungle”.