Eddie Shore
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17 hours ago, Denis Lemiuex said:
I also forgot to mention something that is also important and you can decide what significance you want to put on it. They are counting Covid patients a little weird. Say I went in for a knee replacement. I get tested and it is determined I have Covid. That confirm case is attributed to being hospitalized since the hospital was the place it was determined I had the virus.
No to mention if there is a 70 year old man who has a heart attack, but is also positive for COVID, the cause of death is listed as COVID.
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You people are going about this all wrong. Have the fans in the stands carry signs that say "Defund the police" and have the players kneel during the National Anthem, call it a protest and not a "game", and go.
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5 hours ago, The King said:
It’s a refusal to admit that the area is not as much of a hockey hot bed as the money counters want them to believe it is.
YES! Quote of the year right there everyone. I have not spent much time in the area, but the little bit of time I was there, I could not believe how many people thought that Pittsburgh was a "hockey town". What a joke.
Most people there don't know the difference between a blue line and a clothes line.
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12 hours ago, The King said:
Ask yourself this, if your kid was the one that’s cut because teams or organizations were eliminated, would your kid go to a team labeled in-house or developmental?
I'll flip the question on you, if a kid was the one that’s cut because teams or organizations were eliminated, would their parents let them go to a team labeled in-house or developmental?
As you and I have discussed in the past, the majority of kids at a very young and at a very old age don't care about the number of A's, it's the parents. When they are young, they just want to play and have fun (they don't know any better). When they are older, they just want to play and have fun (they are past this whole, I play AAA thing). It's the parents that create the mess.
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On 6/5/2020 at 11:11 PM, Loach said:
Getting cut sucks at the time, but can end up being a great life lesson. I know it was a big lesson for me when I was cut during my youth hockey days. I have a decent story about that but won't bore you with it.
I do agree that there should be a spot to play for everyone, though. Everyone should have a chance to experience this sport if they want to give it a go - I mean, check out a low level beer league some night. But I don't believe in eliminating cuts or having everyone who wants play travel hockey, and I certainly don't believe in trophies for everyone.
I guess I am a little confused by your and King's spot for everyone statements. Since I don't live in PA I really don't know, but all kids who want to play hockey, can play right? I mean there are house leagues where everyone can play right? So, no one is being excluded from playing if they want to correct?
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1 hour ago, The King said:
It does thanks. Hopefully it resonates with the folks on here. One of my many pet peeves is the lip service people pay to adhering to the lessons amateur sports provide. See lip service is a term few understand anymore because talk with no action is an acceptable form of social behavior these days. For example, the endless “prayers for...” posts when a tragedy occurs. Never a thought of actually doing something to help. So when all of these folks say it’s about the kids on here, they then go and direct the kids entire life. Meddling and disrupting every aspect of it regardless of who it affects. That’s why I say amateur sports is dead as we knew it. Trophy shops are a booming business.
So true. It reminds me of something that happened to me years ago. My kid started playing roller hockey. I was asked to help out, but I know nothing about hockey (never played), I do know how to manage things (i.e. its what I do for a living), so I agreed to be league commissioner. It was just a local house league in the middle of nowhere with an 8U, 10U and 14U divisions. The league was in financial trouble and people didn't want to pay a lot to play. I think it was $100 a season. At the end of each season there was a pizza party, open skate and trophy's. Division MVP, Defenseman and top goalie plus team trophies for all teams. Well, the 8U I can actually see that, and I even conceded on the 10u. But come on, a 6th place house league roller hockey trophy for a 14 year old? I spoke with some of the kids, and none of them wanted trophies. Even the 1st place team didn't care. So, I thought, I'll keep costs down and just do 1st and 2nd place. The parental uproar was UNBELIEVABLE! I agree, amateur sports is dead and the parents killed it.
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2 hours ago, The King said:
@Eddie Shore serious question, if your son who you admit wasn’t a great player, was in an area that didn’t have a team for everyone, had to make cuts, and didn’t allow him a place to play the sport, would you deem that cruel, exclusive, and discriminatory or accept that this is a learning experience and not everyone is cut out for it? I’m dating myself and I realize I’m at risk of being labeled a monster but with the glut of teams the WPA it seems anyone can do it
Actually that is a good question. My son never played youth hockey in PA . When he first started playing we were in a very small market in the south and later we moved to a bigger market. In both places at an early age he learned how to get cut. He played both roller and ice but dropper roller when he turned 14, so he experienced it in both sports.
Sometimes he made teams that I thought he shouldn't have made and made teams that I thought he should have.
Sometimes he got cut from teams that I thought he should have made and sometimes he got cut from teams that I knew he had no business making.
So, I guess we figured it all evened itself out in the end. I only remember tears once, and it was more my wife than him. Although he is grown now and no longer plays the next time I have a beer with him, I may bring it up to see how he feels, but I would guess both he and I (and even the wife) probably would agree that everyone needs to experience being cut. It is what you learn from and it makes you stronger in the end. I couldn't imagine him going through his whole playing career and never getting cut.
I remember when he was older and got called or emailed by a coach and told to come to the last day or tryouts and he'll get a spot. Skated for 30-min and bumped some kid who had been with that same group for the past year. The kids mom pitching a fit with the coach bring in "outsiders" and giving them preference over her kid. Did it suck for that kid? Yeah, but I could tell, they had never experienced failure before. By that time he knew to appreciate what he worked for, and could empathize for the other kid, but in the end in midgets they were there to win.
And for the most part when he got cut, he just went and tried out for a different team, and in all instances I can say he was better off with the 2nd team. Looking back on the whole thing, there are only 2 instances where I think we made mistakes and both were where he was actually offered a spot and he turned it down.
Both you and I are on here for others with younger players to learn from our mistakes. My advice to all is have them try out for teams and if they get cut, it's ok. As an adult he handles set backs so much better and is very appreciative when things do work out for him.
Hope this answers your question.
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42 minutes ago, The King said:
If a coach needs to see a kid at 100% of his sport specific abilities at tryouts they have zero intention of developing their abilities throughout the season. And spare me parental opinions on what constitutes the “top players” at tryouts. Each coach needs to evaluate and select players that he or she will be able to properly develop and mold into the team structure. Not everyone values the same thing. But to suggest that a player that goes to play baseball or run track instead of playing 3 on 3, spring league or joining any number of events that rinks put on to keep the lights on in the summer, has any less to offer than a player whose manual dexterity related to puck handling is slightly sharper is moronic and why the sport has such a bad rep at the amateur level. The number of competent coaches within USA hockey is dwindling. But what’s worse is that Joe and Joyce MeddleParent know it all and think it’s always a conspiracy. Good coaches value athleticism, speed, strength, and work ethic. That’s what you look for at a tryout if you have any thoughts of being a good coach in any sport. If a player lacks any one of those attributes, the others better be elite. All sport specific skills can be honed and attained with those attributes in place. What type of skills the coach prefers will always show in their players. With that in mind, these coaches deserve compensation. But you can’t have Joe and Joyce dictating whether or not these guys are competent or not. But what a confounding situation you have when USA hockey has decided that J&J are what matter. That’s why you’ll see coaching competence go south. Nobody wants the hassle and USA hockey prefers controllable assets. Daddy coaches, step right up!
Agree, I had a kid that never wanted to play other sports so hockey was all he did. Compound that with the fact that he was never a great player (sorry, truth hurts), he was average or maybe slightly above. I just know he always complained when he was off for a while. I will agree with the zero intentions of coaches developing players.
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On 6/2/2020 at 9:44 PM, Scooby Doo said:
Absolute farce! Nothing like having tryouts 3 months after the kids last skated with basically no warmup time. I'm sure those will be fair tryouts, um, yeah.
Not trying to pick a fight with you, but I am confused. Tons of people were on other posts saying how great the time off is, and it wouldn't really hurt the kids (unless they are just sitting around playing video games). I was one of the ones (and maybe you were too, I don't remember), that said when my kid was playing he always looked real rusty when not on the ice for several months. I said it was going to really hurt some kids at tryouts. Others here are correct the "chosen" kids have been on the ice the whole time. It's the ones who were "left out" that will look terrible at tryouts. So, I do agree with you, farce...……...
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14 hours ago, ctil20 said:
Rumor has it Alpha is in deep with issues surrounding the lack of social distancing and mask wearing by some of its patrons.
I guess someone has repeatedly given warning to the geese to stop congregating in small groups, wear masks but to no avail. The local magistrate, when asked, said he was highly concerned about these geese (and ducks) disregard for CDC guidelines, and that they continue to congregate and shit all over the parking lot.
If these Geese cause a breakout, will their affiliates take action against them. We all know the members of the gander who are blatant disobeying the rules.
Wonder what happens next??
Sorry, I am terrible at code. Are you saying that there are a bunch of women (and some men), who are gathering in the parking lot? If so, what is the issue (sorry I do not live in PA and don't know the rules for being outdoors)?
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3 hours ago, Lifelongbender said:
I don't see how these repeated sarcastic posts are moving this discussion forward.
You don't post here much then do you?
We don't actually solve anything, or have any meaningful discussions here, that must be done on a different board.
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4 hours ago, Jack Handey said:
I'm worried that people who are pretty smart at science, medicine, microbiology, etc have issued recommendations for the benefit of the public good, and that hockey coaches by night and whatever else they are by day have decided they know better.
I wouldn’t worry if I were you. I’m sure the coaches, organizations and rinks are taking the necessary precautions and following the rules. But if this is weighing that heavily on you, just keep your kid outa little longer until you feel more comfortable. It’s up to you.
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22 hours ago, Jack Handey said:
It is well known now that some very specific USAH coaches, hockey parents, and players are willfully disobeying public health orders. There is news today of fall team prospects now practicing together.
Some may now be infected, or may now be carriers of infection.
Allowing these coaches and players to participate in a tryout is now a serious health risk.
Can we assume that local associations will protect their memberships, and require a negative COVID-19 test on these people before tryouts?
So, what you are saying is the rinks in question are not allowed legally to be open? Or are the rinks allowed to be open, but the teams are legally allowed to practice? You quoted “disobeying public Heath orders”, can you elaborate a little bit what specific orders these are? I would think if the rinks aren’t allowed to be open, someone would stop by and let them know. It’s not like they are hiding anything
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1 hour ago, nemesis8679 said:
Yep, it's 100% true. And a good coach will utilize those fundamentally solid guys over the one-trick ponies every day of the week. And they'll also usually get the respect of their team mates fairly effortlessly. A great easy example is Dominik Simon. A winger that doesn't score much, yet there he is getting good minutes on an NHL team. And Sullivan is widely considered a top coach in the league. It's no coincidence. There's a reason for that. Yet, look how many casual fans constantly complain about him. Now scale that down from the NHL to lower leagues, and the general concept still works the same.
Never thought of that. He was always voted most popular, top teammate, or person who everyone wanted to play with on the teams, and I thought it was just because he was easy going and never complained. Maybe it was more about the way he played than his personality in general.
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6 hours ago, nemesis8679 said:
Definitely a coaching problem. If they want to play like that, then you're minutes get cut. That kind of play doesn't win you games. That might work when you're 10 years old, but not long after. I've seen countless high-skilled players get stopped by average players (and below-average) with good coaching. And it makes those less skilled players better by way of boosting their confidence and seeing that they can be impactful in a game. That's why I constantly reinforce to kids that to me or anybody who is knowledgeable about the sport, that a well-timed block or winning a puck battle is just as important as scoring a goal. And so is a nice pass to the player with the best chance to score, regardless of where that other kid falls on the depth chart. Sooner or later, most of them get it that yeah, it's easy to notice a goal being scored, but that's just one part of the overall game. And unless you're Sidney Crosby, the average high- skilled player is not consistently going to be able to deke and stick handle around 4 opposing players to score on a no-risk-to-the-goalie shot while their team mates are tapping their sticks the whole play.
Yeah Nemesis! Here is a topic we can agree on.
My kid was never a "goal scorer", but did have a fairly successful career as a d-man with a great +/-, perfect tape-to-tape passes and rarely lost a battle on the boards. Always towards the bottom of the stats list after Peewee's (that when he realized he had a role to play on the team, which was skating it coast-to-coast and shooting). A lot of times when people came calling on him I was always surprised because of his lack of goals, but every coach pointed out (just like you did), there is more to this game than scoring goals.
Great post, thanks
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21 hours ago, hockey2020 said:
King sure spends a lot of time talking about youth sports for someone who keeps telling everyone else not to waste their time! It is hilarious!
Although you may disagree with his tone and "in your face" form of communication, that fact still remains that the majority of the time he is still right. A lot of people here dislike the way the message is delivered, but the message itself is still factually correct. As for why he does this with no stake in youth hockey anymore, maybe he is just trying to see if others can learn from his experiences and maybe even his mistakes. My kid is long gone from youth, junior and college (club) hockey, but I still come on here to try to help others and of course, get a laugh or two. If you still have kids playing hockey right now, my advice is to listen to those who have gone before you. It may just save you some heartache and maybe even a little $$$.
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1 minute ago, aaaahockey said:
People under 42 have had it just not died from it. Average age of deaths is somewhere in the 80s. 42 is youngest to die.
That being said - good points made here about how long we expect to keep things locked down. We can't hide forever and the governor gives us no clear scientific methods or data on what colors mean or how to change.
I stand corrected. Also, I did say the CDC website took down the testing data, it's actually the Johns Hopkins Website. I don't think CDC ever had it.
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36 minutes ago, nemesis8679 said:
I don't want to argue, either. I'm somewhere in the middle on all of this. Naturally in this country, this got politicized, so people either have to be on one extreme (leave your house, you die) or the other (this is a hoax, my rights are being infringed, Bill Gates, etc.) However, I know for a fact that while some kids are playing together, most are not. Many have been staying away. As far as people under 42 not getting it, maybe? How would you know if people aren't being tested? And kids that get it seem mostly to be carriers only, with the exception of the ones who have serious complications from it.
I will respect your opinion, and agree with you that the truth is probably somewhere between the 2 extremes that you pointed out.
As far as testing goes, yes maybe. For all I know I could have had the Corona virus and never known it. But then again, I am sure there are lot of things I have had that I never knew I had either. Not sure how many people in PA have been tested as the CDC stopped reporting that sometime last week, so I guess we will never know. I'm guessing that we are only testing people that don't feel well, which is why I have never gotten tested. Thanks for your input.
The two facts that stuck out to me was no one under the age of 42 in Allegheny, and no one under the age of 25 in North Carolina
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14 hours ago, nemesis8679 said:
The thing is, is that nobody IS allowed. What personality defect is it that some people think they're above everyone else, that rules don't apply to them?
I would tend to think that parents willing to risk their kid's health (or other's) are more likely to be the ones with the self-appointed "my kid is a superstar" attitude than the ones who can take a step back and wait a month or two to see what happens. In fact, knowing some of the ones that are doing it, I'd say I'm 100% right about that.
Ok, I am curious about this statement, and I am not trying to pick a fight with you (really, I am not), but what risk to kids health is there? Are you saying that if we open these rinks up, and let kids practice together that some of them are going to catch the virus? You do know that the last I time checked no one under the age of 42 had contracted it in Allegheny County right? Please don't tell me that is because of the stay at home orders. You do know that kids (those under the age of 19 are pretty much going to each others houses all along right? I just saw a group of like 6 or 7 riding bikes down my street on Sunday and at least 5 playing basketball in the next cul-de-sac. Sorry, I'm just not buying it. I can't see any correlation (let allow causation) between states like PA, NY, CA etc... that put all these rules in place versus cases in other states that didn't. Again, not trying to argue, I guess each person has their own opinion. Sorry
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23 hours ago, ctil20 said:
What does Wolf, or any other politician have to gain from what he is doing?
Tell me this. What is the upside for the governors who are restricting their constituents in light of this virus? Are they getting kickbacks from the Clinton Foundation? Who stands to gain from America being at a standstill?
Can anyone possibly conceive that elected officials are just trying to do right by the masses? Does every politician, who you don’t agree with have some kind of hidden political agenda against your interest?
This big government boogeyman who wants to take all of your freedoms... if it existed... it could so easily take all of your freedoms if it wanted to, and not by way of some sickness.
I offered no opinion other than to say get in line. Just read what he said and draw your own conclusions. He said if you go against his will you could lose your funding, licenses and occupancy permits. It is what it is.
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Get in line boys and girls and don't question authority.
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2 hours ago, The King said:
This is why I always say to blame the parent for being self serving before you’re going to blame the organization for being greedy. Believe me, self serving parents came long before the greedy organizations. They created the monster.
AMEN!!!
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53 minutes ago, ctil20 said:
I suggested quarantining the county if the residents don’t follow orders. Absolutely. This has been done, and it can be done by law.
What you suggested, is having soldiers standing outside healthcare workers homes making sure they don’t leave, then following them to work. This has never happened (in America) and it’s against the law.
So you think throwing a woman in jail who owns a hair salon for just opening her business has happened before in America and is not against the law?
Just want to make sure I understand the difference.
You cannot have police stand outside a heath care workers house and make sure they don't leave, but you can have the National Guard come in a quarantine an entire county?
Sorry to beat this to death, but I am a little slow and have a hard time following things. Just want to make sure I understand.
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2 hours ago, ctil20 said:
So you want the National Guard at every healthcare workers house, making sure they and their family members don’t leave their house?
It’s one thing to quarantine off a large land mass, it’s a different kind of spectacular to suggest you have individuals standing outside someone’s door following them around to and from work.
No YOU suggested using the National Guard, not me. You want them to go in a quarantine everyone (and you said you hoped he does it). See below
On 5/9/2020 at 3:02 PM, ctil20 said:This is dense.
There are numerous people who work at this facility and live in Beaver. There are still what, at least a hundred or so employees who have to go home every night.
It’s nobody in Beaver Counties fault. Just the hand they were dealt. It’s a real shame that some from there can’t follow the states demands for the sake of everyone else.
Will you all take your pitchforks up to Beaver when western PA is in the red again?
Be careful what you wish for, the DA won’t prosecute but Wolf can send in the National Guard to quarantine the county. I hope he does to be honest, selfish idiots.
Get ready for sports to be shut down
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100% correct! Sorry Ynot, but you and I will have to agree to disagree. My niece who is a respiratory therapist, my daughter who is a nurse and my own experience (sorry but I am not going to say what I do) all know this to be true. It is all about the $$$$. My dad is in his late 80's and has fibrosis and is on oxygen. His Dr told him with his health problems if he kicks the bucket, even if he don't have COVID, don't be shocked if they find a way to make it a COVID death anyway. Its all about the money now.