Eddie Shore

On ‎5‎/‎9‎/‎2020 at 3:34 PM, ctil20 said:

Registered republican. 
 

Yeah, quarantine the workers. How does that work, do you have the police stand outside their door and follow them to work?

 

No, the National Guard.  Isn't that who you suggested and (hoped for) Wolf would send in, in your earlier post?  In all honesty, since Nursing Homes have the largest amount of cases by far over everywhere else, why hasn't there been a large number of cases of Nursing Home Workers Families?  You would think that if these people were going to work and getting infected, then bringing it how to their families, there would be a large number of cases in that group as well?  Yet, there is no data (that I know of, but please point me to some if you find it) that supports this. 

20 hours ago, Paul Baxter said:

FACTS:

Careful Paul, posting stuff like that will get you put in the Right Wing Nut Job category by ctil20 

21 minutes ago, ctil20 said:

I bet you have nightmares about Don Lemon tickling your feet. 

I'll be honest.  I don't know what that means.

The only thing I have nightmares about is that 6 months ago if I told you that the government was going to tell you where you could go, who you could see, what you could wear and what you could buy, everyone would have thought would never happen.  Well, it has happened and some people are ok with it.

36 minutes ago, ctil20 said:

You’re citing the news from 3 weeks ago. Now it seems to be a given that deaths, and infections have been under reported. So it my mind, it all comes out in the wash. 
 

The fact remains, had we gone about life as normal, there would be a lot more death and a lot more disruption. Can we do this forever? No. Do we need a plan for the future. Yes. However the government absolutely did the right thing with the public’s interest in mind. Regardless of what you, Fox News and the conspiracy theorist have to say. 
 

The big one world satanic cabal doesn’t stand to benefit if all of us are at a standstill, not doing their bidding, yes? Your boogeyman needs the slaves to slave in order to reach their goals. 
 

 

So, news from 3 weeks ago means it never happened?  Sorry, there is not a statute of limitations on the truth.  Maybe it doesn't happen as much now cause they got caught, but it still happens.

Nice try, but don't watch Fox News.  Truth is I don't watch CNN or MSNBC either.  To me they are two sides of the same evil coin.  I don't need anyone on either side telling me what to think.  I don't believe or trust any of them. 

If you feel that strongly, you should stay inside.  Heck, you should never leave your house again.  What do I care?  Do what ever you want. 

The difference is you are not content in doing what you want, you want to make the rest of us do what you want too. 

On ‎5‎/‎2‎/‎2020 at 11:36 PM, ctil20 said:

I don’t understand this logic here.

Let’s say we kept up business as usual. No social distancing, we all went about our lives. What do you think the infection and death rate would be then? 
 

That simple question completely overrides anything I’ve read here. 63,000 deaths to date with intense mitigation strategies. Just based on simple math, had we not shut down, we’d be talking millions of deaths. People like to site empty hospitals. Yes, because what we have been doing has worked most places. Short of a cess pool like NYC and some other overcrowded areas.

Your logic is flawed.  You are making the assumption that the infection rate is standardized.  It is not.  Over 65% of all cases are the elderly and nursing homes are hit the hardest.  News flash for you, those people don't go outside!  It has also been proven that hospitals get more insurance money if they code a case as COVID versus not (look it up from any news source).  Also, it has been proven that any death that occurs and the person had symptoms of COVID (ie a temperature) will be coded as COVID.  That means if I have a heart attack when I had a temperature, or were coughing it gets coded as COVID (straight out of the CDC guidelines).  These are facts, and they are undeniable.  Look up the flu deaths from the past years 

On ‎4‎/‎24‎/‎2020 at 8:25 AM, Eddie Shore said:

Ok, so one week ago there were 14 deaths in Beaver and 38 in Allegheny YTD.  In 1 week Beaver has had an additional 33 deaths bringing their total to 47 and Allegheny has had an 36 deaths bringing it's total to 74.  What gives?  It seems strange to me that we would have such a spike in 1 week.  I mean triple Beavers YTD total in 1 week?

Well, I did a little digging.  First from the CDC website, anyone who dies and displays symptoms of COVID-19 will be coded as a COVID death even if they have not been tested, or have been tested but shown to be negative.  Could this be true?  So, I had my wife reach out to her niece who is a Respiratory Therapist.  Yep, it's true.  She just had a patient come in and had a stroke but had also complained of being short of breath, they coded him as a COVID-19 related death.  I then called my 86 year old dad who has fibrosis and was given 2 years to live (4 years ago), and uses oxygen 24-hours a day.  He stated when he went to his Doctor two weeks ago he was told that if he dies (no matter what the cause), they will code him as COVID related because he coughs all the time and has trouble breathing!

Just a little "inside" info I have gathered from people who really are in the know.  Feel free to dispute if you like.  I would really like to believe this isn't true, but I am having a hard time right now.

Ok, so I check the numbers every week, and there was something else strange.  Allegheny only went up by 3 and Beaver actually went down by 1?  That doesn't seem right.  Then I found this.

https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/spl/pennsylvania-death-count-changes-confusion-coroanvirus-20200423.html

It looks like they got caught faking the numbers...…..

15 hours ago, Racchi’s Rug said:

That’s a shame about the Michigan hockey thing that was stated- the governor not allowing it. There are some really good and storied programs in Michigan like Little Caesars, Fox Motors, and Honeybaked.

I wouldn't worry about the kids though.  The parents will just find jobs in other states and move there.  It's not like Detroit or other cities in Michigan have a problem with people leaving the state in droves.  Oh, wait...……………...

15 hours ago, Django said:

Social distancing appears to be working - try not to rush it or the next round will be worse. Who knows when hockey will return to that area. 

Is it?  How can you be sure?  Based off of the data?  Well, since it appears that the measurement system itself is flawed, it would be hard for me to agree with your conclusion.  For years people have been getting sick, going to the Doctor and being told, "well, you don't have the flu, you just have a virus".  What was this virus?  I lost all hope for transparency when I found out about the things I mentioned in my other post, plus the fact that tigers in NY have now tested positive for it?  Come on.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/2020/04/tiger-coronavirus-covid19-positive-test-bronx-zoo/

Ok, so one week ago there were 14 deaths in Beaver and 38 in Allegheny YTD.  In 1 week Beaver has had an additional 33 deaths bringing their total to 47 and Allegheny has had an 36 deaths bringing it's total to 74.  What gives?  It seems strange to me that we would have such a spike in 1 week.  I mean triple Beavers YTD total in 1 week?

Well, I did a little digging.  First from the CDC website, anyone who dies and displays symptoms of COVID-19 will be coded as a COVID death even if they have not been tested, or have been tested but shown to be negative.  Could this be true?  So, I had my wife reach out to her niece who is a Respiratory Therapist.  Yep, it's true.  She just had a patient come in and had a stroke but had also complained of being short of breath, they coded him as a COVID-19 related death.  I then called my 86 year old dad who has fibrosis and was given 2 years to live (4 years ago), and uses oxygen 24-hours a day.  He stated when he went to his Doctor two weeks ago he was told that if he dies (no matter what the cause), they will code him as COVID related because he coughs all the time and has trouble breathing!

Just a little "inside" info I have gathered from people who really are in the know.  Feel free to dispute if you like.  I would really like to believe this isn't true, but I am having a hard time right now.

1 hour ago, Lifelongbender said:

Any chance there's an element of being ready to house the bodies from other localities as well? That rink has the virtue of being a little out of the way. One could imagine that scenario.

Ok, so 14 dead in Beaver and 38 in Allegheny.  I could pull the rest of the numbers for within 200 miles and I doubt it would break 100, or if it did not by much.  Not buying it

3 hours ago, Denis Lemiuex said:

Eddie. You are one of the good guys here so I hope you don't think I am argumentative. One thing I don't know is did they take the ice down before this? I think it is the temperature of the building not the ice is needed.

No offense at all my friend.  A valid point, I guess I am just one of the ones who thinks the media likes to hype everything up and get everyone in a panic.  PA has had way less cases of COVID than the flu.  More deaths from COVID, I'll give them that, I am just fed up with the media and it's bias towards doom and gloom.  And by media I mean all media the left and the right

7 minutes ago, Denis Lemiuex said:

All I am saying is do they need it now? Rinks have trouble turning a profit during high usage times. To run the coolers for days or weeks with zero dollars coming in has to be a complete waste of money. Especially if they can get the conditions they need in a matter of days. 

Exactly my point.  If they are being forced to keep the ice up, they should be charging the county the full bill for the ice time ($350/hr ish?)

Then again, all the county will do is pass along this cost to the taxpayers anyway.  In the end, we lose again.

Agreed.  The NHL is one of the few sports that rely on in-person attendance more than tv.  Football, basketball and baseball are mostly tv revenue.  So, the idea of playing games with no fans in stands doesn't hurt them as much as it hurt hockey.  Team like AZ, Florida and others were on the brink anyway. 

How about the Seattle expansion team?  Anybody see this not happening now?  I do, there will not be a team there for quite some time, if at all.

So, why are they doing this?  Because they are saying their morgue could fill up of COVID deaths?  The Johns-Hopkins website (updated today at 7:38am) lists Beaver County as having a total of 14 Corona related deaths, and I am sure most of those have been processed by now.  Heck Allegheny only has had a total of 38 deaths.  I don't mean to sound harsh, I know that no deaths is ideal, but do they think they are really going to spike that high? 

Beaver has had a total of 168 total cases, with 14 deaths and there is no data on recoveries yet.  Is it me, or is the math not adding up here? 

The real interesting issue will be the fall.  So, if you look at the High School Seniors who lost their last season, they will go off to college in the fall.  I just read that most schools are already preparing for fall classes to be online.  If this holds true, that will be no hockey tryouts and no hockey games/teams for the fall.  Even if restrictions are lifted for 2021.  How many schools are going to have club hockey for just Jan and Feb?  Please note that ACHA wraps up their regular season pretty early (in Feb) and has playoffs and championships usually wrapped up in March.  If they hold true to online this fall, these means that the kids who are seniors now, would not be playing "competitive" hockey until September of 2021.  That will be 17 months away from playing real games (stopped in March 2020, start back up in Sept 2021).

Let that sink in...…………….

On ‎4‎/‎15‎/‎2020 at 9:33 AM, sadday4hockey said:

Refunds?? Yeah, right. They'll hold that money as long as possible. Some tournaments have been cancelled, some postponed to later dates. The city of Toronto has banned public events through the end of June and yet some of these companies are still saying their event in May is still on. Just another chapter in this mess.

Agree.  Who are you going to be able to call or email?  You think they will return your messages?  Nope, the teams, the rinks and the tournaments are all closed right now.  I wouldn't even know where to start to request a refund.  The best you can do is send an email, and you know that will go unanswered.

8 hours ago, Danner27 said:

Appears youth baseball is being canceled for the summer, hockey won’t be back in the fall. I doubt we will see hs football this year. It will be a solid year from now until things get back to “normal” once a vaccine is released. 

Nah, they will tell us there is another "wave" of it before then.  Normal is something we will just remember.  Look at what California and Michigan are doing right now, and tell me if you think things will ever be "normal" again.

6 hours ago, lurch8 said:

Having numerous friends in the medical field, and hearing what they are saying, it leads me to believe that this is not going to end until mid June to beginning of July.  What they are saying by "end", means that you will see a protocol that looks something like this.  June allow for individuals to start socializing within family (i.e. grandparents, parents that you didn't quarantine with).  That would last a couple weeks, then onto the next phase where small business would be able to start opening with a limit to individuals being allowed in and allowing for small groups of 20-25 at a social gathering.  This would simply increase lets say every couple weeks to a month but according to them you wont see groups of 100 or more being allowed to congregate until a vaccine is implemented into the public.  So in regards to hockey and tryouts, it leads to some very interesting outcomes.  I can foresee tryouts not taking place until end of August into September.  How they will handle keeping the number small enough in a rink to host tryouts to be allowed, I have no idea. Now I'm not, nor are they part of the team of decision makers in this country but what they say seems like a very good possibility.  On top of that are they going to open up the rinks for tryouts without giving these kids the opportunities to skate, not get some stick time, and just throw them in?  My projection is that tryout season is going to be absolutely crazy over a very short time frame of about 3 weeks.  

Ok, so I have a question then, if you won't see groups of 100 or more until a vaccine is implemented into the public, does that mean everyone has to get the vaccine?  What about people who don't believe in vaccines?

Agreed.  Colleges have already scheduled summer classes as online, so they are seeing this last until at least July.  May is a pipedream at this time.  Heck even the NFL is starting to look at pushing out some of their August dates. 

Adding one more comment to get me to 100 posts. - Bantam

I don't think almost is accurate.  I would say definite.  Hockey (all sports), Prom, Commencement are all out for sure.

18 hours ago, The King said:

Eddie, nobody is a fan of the Pens here but it’s not just them. The practice of pre forming teams isn’t even restricted to AAA. I would say 99% of teams at all levels in all areas have the core of their roster chosen way before they even announce tryouts. It’s a pre-requisite now.  That’s how some determine whether they will have teams or not. But the fact that teams who’s tryouts are highly attended do this is more irresponsible and incompetent than corrupt. They’re using it as a fund raiser sure. But they’re also dumb to pass over a good player to take a friend. I would say the Tier 2 teams that do it are as dumb as you can be. Plus that’s where the competitiveness comes in. Not in playing the game. But if AA team 1 takes players from AA team 2, coaches and parents are pushing that as the competition. And that’s not true competition. That’s just jealousy. 

Agree with your assessment.  My original post was a bit narrow-focused to say the least.  This is not just a PPE issue, or a AAA issue or a Pittsburgh issue, or probably even just a hockey issue.  I am sure this will run rampant across all sports in all regions.  Good point.

Both good points.  I know I have seen some kids take a few months off and hit the ice and look like they haven't missed a step.  Others look like they have never been on skates before.  Chinstrap brings up a good point.  You have a Pens and friends kid who spends the entire time doing nothing and looks horrible and some outsider comes in and blows his doors off.  In the end, the insider will still make the team, it will just make the shenanigan's that go on every year even more apparent. 

So, this delay brings up an interesting question for me.  If kids are not allowed on the ice for camps or to play spring hockey, and all kids will have to tryout "cold".  Will this have an affect on who get chosen?  I know when my kid was playing, he needed a week or two at "game speed" to get back in the groove of things, which is why I always thought that tryouts in early spring benefitted him.  If they have some sort of abbreviated tryouts in August after being off the ice for 5 months, I think he would look worse than normal.

Thoughts?

Just an FYI, looks like New York, DC and some other areas have canceled all youth hockey tryouts.  Additionally stated if any team signs a player during this time they will be automatically disqualified to compete in Nationals.  Can they do this?