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I wondered the same thing. Maybe not approved by the school? Allegheny was green and the MIDAM recommendation was June 15. And how can anyone really know that they didn’t acquire it outside of tryouts?

54 minutes ago, Eddie Shore said:

No to mention if there is a 70 year old man who has a heart attack, but is also positive for COVID, the cause of death is listed as COVID.

That’s a bit of a misconception. There is the “immediate cause of death” as well as up to three “underlying causes of death”. COVID would be an underlying cause in that case.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/blue_form.pdf

Pens Elite starts June 15th and wrap up before or on the 21st.

21 hours ago, nemesis8679 said:

I'm also curious what school teams will do, seeing as there is no guarantee school will start as scheduled. However with hockey teams virtually having no involvement with the actual school other than using their name and colors, will they start when they normally do or not? 

Schools still have sign off on PIHL rosters. I would expect the state and PIAA guidance, when it comes out, is what the schools will apply to hockey as well. Liability is a huge driver of where we are today.

On 5/23/2020 at 9:07 AM, IronCityHockey said:

For those that have requested refunds we have been sending them out. However, they are few. Most folks still have hopes of playing. Unlike others, we scheduled our tournaments for later into summer. Not sure what other companies are doing?

Sounds like you guys are doing the right thing. Kudos!

From what I’m hearing, nearly all camps are providing full refunds if they are canceling for this year, or are rescheduling the camp but still offering the option of a full refund. Those signed up for Spring/Summer teams aren’t as lucky and are only being offered credit towards future lessons or next year’s teams. Is this what others are hearing? Considering the cost, the Spring/Summer programs are sitting on a TON of other people’s money right now.

2 hours ago, aaaahockey said:

The rink posted they were reopening following CDC guidelines on their own website. I don't think it is a secret now. 

The CDC message was on the site before the state stay at home orders were put in place, and was just never removed. The website also has the newer message that says they are closed until further notice.

34 minutes ago, Danner27 said:

It’s been happening at other rinks now for a few weeks. At least alpha waited until yellow when you can have groups of 25 gather. 

The 25 or less directive doesn’t apply to certain businesses, including rinks. If it did, gyms, spas, hair and nail salons, and restaurants and bars could be open in Yellow status as well, as long as they stay 25 or under. The rinks are taking on some risk by doing so, but surely they understand that. 

2 hours ago, PeterThePuck said:

Ohio opening up Travel Baseball and Hockey Rinks.

Baseball Tournaments Start June 4th Practice starts May 5.

Rinks open May 4th.

After this Post of HockeyTime heard they are finally reaching out to repay everyone back from cancelling their March Tournaments.

PETER PUCK OUT!

Not according to this, released by the Ohio Gov office on the 27th: 

https://coronavirus.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/covid-19/responsible-restart-ohio/Continued-Business-Closures/

As the article states, this is “part of the county’s mass fatality plan, which has been in place for two decades”. Whether it makes sense or not, all they are doing is putting that plan into action. 

44 minutes ago, Jack Handey said:

It's clear that it's personal with you.  Whatever USA Hockey did to you... it's personal. 

You've said your peace over and over on this forum. 

We get it. 

Now, on behalf of the people who just want to read and talk about local hockey, we'd all wish you'd put it to rest. 

It's a tired message.

Focus on the positive. 

Focus on local.

Please.

 

Completely agree Jack. Now it’s time to stop feeding this troll. He is obviously a poser who supposedly has no kid playing but is just so interested in the betterment of hockey. Please - we all know better. He or his kid must have been suspended and now he’s on a mission. Trying to build his army of resistance through a message board is sad. Those who cry corruption are often the most corrupt of all. 
 

Looking forward to getting back to relevant conversations. 

The Ontario Hockey Federation has announced that tryouts for next season “will not be conducted this Spring”. If we aren’t planning for the same possibility here, we should be. 

From a PIA email: Our staff has taken increased steps to ensure a safe environment for our customers, and public areas will be disinfected on a regular basis.

So one positive out of this pandemic is that they may actually clean that filthy rink. 

3 hours ago, aaaahockey said:

Re: another team that might pop up to fill the void, I really don't think so. I still believe many parents (and maybe their kids too) pick pens for the jersey and the bragging rights. Another team wouldn't fill that void -  might as well play PAHL if you aren't a penguin. 

I’d bet the Icemen expand to the younger age groups based on this news. Those displaced won’t have to go back to PAHL and can still can be AAA/AA (in name - I’m not speaking to skill level).

7 hours ago, RegDunlop7 said:

PHA is probably the biggest faux-AAA organization in Pittsburgh. At least some of their teams are playing at the AA level, but they should all be in PAHL -- would make it a much more competitive league.

When Alain Lemieux’s Pgh Selects dissolved, some rejoiced: “Faux AAA is a thing of the past in Pgh!”

PHA Icemen: “Hold my beer.”

28 minutes ago, PPEFAN said:

Unfortunately, NC and its students will not be acknowledged for the success of the players that attend their school.

The Excel kids attend NC on an abbreviated schedule, not unlike kids at public school who go to Vo-tech, if you think about it. I doubt the students really care if they are “acknowledged for the success of the players that attend their school“. NC has many other sports to be proud of including their current PIHL team. What the Excel kids do probably isn’t even on their radar. 

39 minutes ago, aaaahockey said:

Apparently the Pens Elite Squirt coaches didn't get this memo. They won all their games today (gold teams) by 10+. 

No comparison. Pens Elite is not PIHL school hockey. And if you want to wear the AAA label when you’re not at that level, you deserve to lose by as many as the other team can put up on you.

My prior comments were not defending running up the score. However, if the league has no guidelines around what is and isn’t acceptable, how can we expect coaches and players to act accordingly? Yes, we’d hope good sense and decency would prevail, but it simply doesn’t.

My point is you can’t put running up the score in the same bucket as the other incidents on that summary, at least not from the details provided. I was very surprised to see that incident on the report because it is not consistent with the other situations. No rules of game play were broken. Was it a classless thing to do? Absolutely. But as the examples show, it’s not an isolated incident. Coaches have different thoughts on what it means to be “crossing the line” so it needs to be better defined if it’s going to be called out and enforced. Maybe there needs to be a mercy rule where the game is called once a certain goal differential is met.

And anyone who says that a team with a low number of players for a game should just forfeit, you need to look up the financial impact of doing so. Your organization would probably just choose to play as well. 

Please show where it “clearly states” that the actions in #9 fall under sportsmanship, because I can’t find it. 

I don’t think a 17-0 score is ok. But where do you draw the line? Where are the guidelines for coaches to understand what is acceptable or not? For example, Nov 25, PR2 beat Wheeling Park 13-0 in a JV game. Oct 14, Mars beat Knoch 14-0 in a middle school game, with 6 goals scored in the 3rd. Why aren’t these games being called out? Because they didn’t hit a 15 goal differential? Or only because they aren’t at the Varsity level? 

If the league isn’t looking inward and asking what in their process contributed to the poor placements that led to these lopsided scores, they should be. 

Maybe watching the game on LiveBarn would provide additional insight, but #9 doesn’t seem to warrant being on the report summary.

It’s a video capture from LiveBarn

PIHL hires security for all games. What I don’t know is, if a rink has more than one sheet of ice and more than one PIHL game happening at the same time, is only one security guard needed? If so, that may be the cause of the delayed security response if they are walking between both rinks. 

Both teams play their games at rinks with LiveBarn. Why not look it up and judge for yourself instead of going by what you “heard”?

3 hours ago, howard1 said:

It is set up to showcase top 3 teams at AA level between pahl and dvhl. My experience is dvhl fields top 3 AA teams per standing but pahl did not. Last year my sons team was one of 3 top teams at u14AA in dvhl. Only one of the 3 pahl teams was top 3 the other 2 were not and got blown out.  Mt lebanon AA was legit and won the whole thing.

Looking at standings, Lebo, North Pgh and SHAHA were top 3 in both PAHL standings and MYHockey rankings. So the question is, why didn’t North Pgh and SHAHA attend?

5 hours ago, lferg said:

Good feedback. Thanks all. 

Couple things can be done here. One, is to see how placement is done in other associations of comparable size.

Do you mean associations, or leagues? If you mean leagues, look them up on MHR and do a comparison. You’ll find that the rating spread in their divisions is very similar to PAHL, or worse. 

A 3 goal differential is considered a competitive game, and a team should be competitive vs a team rated 3 points higher or lower. I agree that this is too early in the season and the ratings aren’t accurate yet.