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1 hour ago, Icebucket said:

Some of the parents here are pretty damn funny.

The defense by the Montour parents was that noone cares enough to cheat in HS hockey. Then they were outraged when they didn't get to compete for something "they didn't care about".

Armstrong parent runs their mouth about how great winning the pens cup will be. Then backtracks after losing saying that noone cares about pens cup and all that matters is states.

Partially correct icechumpket-

Nobody would cheat by billeting kids, who are obviously billeting for aaa hockey, just so they can play HS hockey.  But why would they not be upset about a group of kids not being able to compete for their school?  It’s about the kids.  Kids play sports to compete.  That’s why parents were upset- kids were robbed of their right to compete.  Talk about not letting it go…

On 3/16/2023 at 1:19 PM, sadday4hockey said:

Still beating the victim drum? Maybe call Rachel Maddow to plead your case.

I'll keep playing this for you.

 

 

The only victims are the kids who get screwed over by the pihl and their lack of attention to detail on their end.  I certainly am not of victim of a poorly run hockey league.  “Oh, we don’t have enough reps to properly support league games”.  Great excuse in their minds to allow mistakes.  Also- who the f is Rachel maddow?  Nobody is watching that garbage.  Terrible reference…

19 hours ago, Happy Hockey Fan said:

There was a player for NA last night that PIHL shows only played 4 games during regular season. I saw NA 4 games during the regular season and this kid didn’t play in those games. My question is, did PIHL make a mistake and didn’t list all the games he played? Or are the rules different for AAA than they are in AA? 

The pihl does NOT make mistakes!  Don’t be ridiculous.  (That’s complete sarcasm by the way)

1 minute ago, Puck01 said:

PIHL has no fault or responsibility. They are one of the best run organizations in all of youth hockey in the State of PA in my opinion. They post all rules on their website along with have monthly meetings with all School teams. It's the team's responsibility to follow the rules. While I do not agree with some of the rules it doesn't matter, they are clear. It is the team playing the other team's responsibility if they are not following them to challenge them through the process given. At that point PIHL responsibility is to resolve the matter through there rules & follow the penalties provided. PIHL = BI LAWS, HS TEAM = FOLLOW BI LAWS, HS TEAM BREAKS BI LAWS = OPPONENT RESPOSIBLE TO CHALLENGE BI LAW, PIHL = DECIDE PUNISHMENT PER GUILDINES POSTED. Let's let process not opinion drive the topic. Montour & BM made mistakes & PIHL followed the BI laws. Montour defending themselves should not be taken personal. The process played out & now it's over. Personal attacks do nothing productive but cause 700 replies'....

I have personally witnessed pihl reps accidentally put scratched kids in their system as if they played when they didn’t and vice versa.  No blame there???  No fault???  They are incapable of human error???  

1 hour ago, BeaverFalls said:

What I mean is they should know who is eligible to play and who isn’t before game one of the playoffs. You do in midam. You do in any other respectable league. 
 

Besides. Who entered it into the Pihl website that they had enough games?    Teams don’t do that themselves and every player on the team showed over 10 games. 
 

Sounds like the league DOES have some culpability in this. 

Agree 100%.  Pihl is absolutely partly to blame.  The pihl reps should be solely responsible for everything score sheet related since that is the official record for each game.  This includes checking rosters and getting coaches to sign off.  The teams only responsibility should be handing the rep the roster sticker- period.  This way volunteers aren’t to blame for simple mistakes or “purposeful” errors (as most of you have junk is going on).  

4 minutes ago, fafa fohi said:

And I quote - "stackthepads out"

Yet here you are - promise made, promise broken.  

How much longer will the whining go on, just so I am prepared.  

“I can do this all day” - Captain America

39 minutes ago, fafa fohi said:

You Montour clowns are the ones still crying on a daily basis, blaming everyone else but themselves for what happened.  It's PIHL's fault, it's Avonworth's fault, it's QV's fault or it's their coaches fault, it's the judge's fault.  

The scoreboard sucks sometimes but it doesn't lie - get over it, skippy.  You seem to have anger issues and have a hard time with letting things go.  How much longer will you and the rest of the Montour brethren continue to whine and point fingers?

As for me?  I'm laughing at you and the rest.  The kids on your team are the ones suffering for the errors created by PARENTS like you.  Get some self awareness and a clue.

 

I think I can hear you laughing from your mom’s basement.  

7 minutes ago, Pucks11 said:

I felt bad for the kids until I found out that the billet family's kid is trying to recruit kids at games on Monday night at RMU and on Snapchat. They knew exactly what they were doing and apparently don't give a damn because the day their case was heard they were actively doing the same thing.

Yeah, all your previous posts indicate that you felt bad for the kids.  Trying to recruit kids for what?  More garbage spewing while hiding behind a forum.  Happy to discuss.  Let me know the time and place. No anger- just want to see if someone will make these ridiculous comments face to face.  Easy to do from the shadows.  
 

57 minutes ago, hockey57410 said:

For the last time stack the pads is obviously Montour parent probably on the board. You willingly tried to hide the kid/cheat. Regardless of what the judge “felt bad about “you cost these kids the season. No one believes your flimsy story about he really “wasn’t “a transfer.

and you must not know any other sports, because if this was football or basketball, this would have been an even bigger deal.

Yes I’m supportive of montour (and kids playing hockey).  No I’m not on the board.  What the f does that mean?  What’s your affiliation?  Please disclose.  I know- none.  Just a dude in their parents basement commenting on a hockey forum or a random guy who’s kids are done playing hockey.   It most certainly would have not been a big deal because it happens all the time in those other sports and is completely allowable.  Again tho- not the real point.  The point is nobody tried to hide anything.  Everyone knew, including your kids coach.  If you would like to call me a cheater to my face, please let me know and we can arrange to discuss.

57 minutes ago, hockey57410 said:

For the last time stack the pads is obviously Montour parent probably on the board. You willingly tried to hide the kid/cheat. Regardless of what the judge “felt bad about “you cost these kids the season. No one believes your flimsy story about he really “wasn’t “a transfer.

and you must not know any other sports, because if this was football or basketball, this would have been an even bigger deal.

Yes I’m supportive of montour (and kids playing hockey).  No I’m not on the board.  What the f does that mean?  What’s your affiliation?  Please disclose.  I know- none.  Just a dude in their parents basement commenting on a hockey forum or a random guy who’s kids are done playing hockey.   It most certainly would have not been a big deal because it happens all the time in those other sports and is completely allowable.  Again tho- not the real point.  The point is nobody tried to hide anything.  Everyone knew, including your kids coach.  If you would like to call me a cheater to my face, please let me know and we can arrange to discuss.

57 minutes ago, hockey57410 said:

For the last time stack the pads is obviously Montour parent probably on the board. You willingly tried to hide the kid/cheat. Regardless of what the judge “felt bad about “you cost these kids the season. No one believes your flimsy story about he really “wasn’t “a transfer.

and you must not know any other sports, because if this was football or basketball, this would have been an even bigger deal.

Yes I’m supportive of montour (and kids playing hockey).  No I’m not on the board.  What the f does that mean?  What’s your affiliation?  Please disclose.  I know- none.  Just a dude in their parents basement commenting on a hockey forum or a random guy who’s kids are done playing hockey.   It most certainly would have not been a big deal because it happens all the time in those other sports and is completely allowable.  Again tho- not the real point.  The point is nobody tried to hide anything.  Everyone knew, including your kids coach.  If you would like to call me a cheater to my face, please let me know and we can arrange.

Some people are beyond convincing….I’ll let it go

stackthepads out

47 minutes ago, nemesis8679 said:

You know proof of what, stop playing dumb.

Something in writing stating that the ineligible kid was deemed eligible by the correct person at PIHL.

But obviously it doesn't exist, and never did. 

 

Nobody claimed they had paperwork because none was needed.  So who’s playing dumb?  If this was high school football or basketball, 2 sports that rank well above high school hockey in all aspects, this would not have been considered a transfer.  Does anyone realize that?  Even the judge commented on the ambiguity of the transfer definition so why do people still insist that it was cheating?  
 

montour secret pre-season meeting- “let’s bring in the 14 year old goalie specifically to play high school hockey and only dress him for 10 games”.  

54 minutes ago, hockey57410 said:

Coach quits in the newspaper. He cheated,  kids were the ones impacted , he walks away. What a low life. I’m sure montour wil. Try to spin this into a we were innocent or targeted. Meanwhile, they cheated by not having any paperwork. Funny how none of the montour accounts on here have any proof. That coach should be embarrassed for how he used that district. 

Proof of what?

15 minutes ago, Pucks11 said:

Montour got caught cheating 3 times this year. Stop blaming everyone except for who is to blame and that is your coach. So what if BB turned your kid in, he followed the rules. If you don't like it fire your coach or the team manager that filed the paperwork. You are mad at someone that did what was right and not mad at the person that did something wrong ???. Do you hear yourself?

Same offer pucks11- happy to meet and discuss.  Also it’s now 4 times according to what you think.  Gets the facts straight. Our team manager DOES NOT file the paperwork.  Are you tooo tooo tooo stupid to understand that?  Nice emoji use- what are you 13?  

49 minutes ago, fafa fohi said:

Stop with the bullshit.  You've been on these pages whining, adding your snarky comments and pointing fingers at everyone BUT Montour for days now.  It is over - get over it.  Go back to your Montour hockey board, regroup and determine how this doesn't happen again.  

Blaming Avonworth is complete nonsense.  

Did I blame Avonworth?  Again- know your facts before opening your trap.  Happy to have a discussion in person if you like.

Congrats to assistant coach BB on a big night:

- QV victory

- goalie shutout

- getting montour eliminated

Way to hurt the kids!!!   Apparently that’s what is most important to some.

46 minutes ago, hockey57410 said:

I don’t think anyone will argue that they feel horrible for seniors. 
 

however, this should be a call for the parents in that program to have the entire board and coach to resign and never hold a post again. They are the sole reason for this. Sad parents ruined it for kids. 

Fire the volunteers!!!  Off with their heads!  Suspend the program for 2 years!!!  Punish the kids even more than you did!!!   Teach them a lesson!!!  Did you people even read the summation from the judge?  Or can you not comprehend?  Brilliant solution.  If the entire board resigns, there is no program.  Nobody wants to do it but those who volunteer.  So much hate to the volunteers it’s moronic.

14 minutes ago, hockey57410 said:

Go back the 20 some pages. It was already mentioned the manager was the house the billet was staying at.  Regardless, if you Take on the job, you still have to do it properly. 

Do you have the job description of the montour hockey manager?  Please forward the one you follow or have followed given your expertise.  There couldn’t possibly be differences in job responsibilities between organizations could there?   Noooooo, that’s impossible!  Please have your organization forward so I can tell them what they need to do properly.  

8 minutes ago, Lifelongbender said:

Let me say first of all that in my view Montour shouldn't win. However long the kid has been playing, there is a clear violation of league rules here, and Montour's manager would've attended the training where this is covered quite extensively.

Having said that, much depends upon how the court eventually views the question of whether the player is a transfer or not. It seems clear that the spirit of the league rules is that this player should be considered a transfer, but the rules aren't as clearly written as you'd like them to be, and now a court will be deciding whether the (in my view) silly argument that he was never in high school so this isn't a transfer is a good argument or not. And then going forward the rules will mean whatever the judge ends up saying they mean on this issue. If the court buys that argument, Montour will win because the entire premise of determining that the player was ineligible will be null.

Here’s a thought:  Perhaps the manager volunteered late to the game because there was nobody else willing to do it.  Perhaps the manger has a real job or some circumstance that prevented them from attending the “training”.  Perhaps they didn’t want to miss the new episode of Law and Order.  Perhaps they thought to themselves “it’s only high school hockey”.  I don’t freakin know.  All I know is that people are quick to blame others for everything and thinking everyone has a hidden agenda.  That’s why we have a shortage of VOLUNTEERS at all levels.  Who wants to put up with this?  We get it- you are all perfect people, never making mistakes, documenting everything, and always quick to place the blame.  

2 minutes ago, hockey57410 said:

They’re filing it to try to get themselves off the hot seat and try to make the parents and kids think it wasn’t the boards/coach fault. 
 

its obvious they tried to skirt the rules. Sure the coach just wanted best chance to pad his resume. Obviously he didn’t care about what would happen to kids. I’m guessing he’ll walk away next year and leave it all behind while the program is in shambles and embarrassed. 

Obviously….guess his master plan to go from montour to the Montreal Canadians was foiled (insert menacing laugh).  High school hockey program in shambles lol.  Give me a break.  How ridiculous.

4 hours ago, zam said:

Go read the evidence, piihl waved that $2,500 fee that would have gone along with the forfeitures. 

I’m not as invested as you.  I do enough crap reading on this forum.

2 minutes ago, surecat069 said:

And whom from PIHL is paying for all of this ( court fees, attorney retainer, ect) - the rest of the PIHL Member organizations, thats who - 

unless a judgement contains the cost of those fees, which it very well might , but that is so far away - that money being spent now via PIHL will be passed on this upcoming year to everyone else. 

If this goes on and on - it's doubful it will even be settled before the start of next year's season with court dates and appeals, ect. 

So thanks to the Adults there at Mountour for helping raise everyones rates, just that much more for the 2023-2024 PIHL Season - 

 

 

Don’t worry, all of montour’s bogus season fines will more than cover the cost.  Put those car wash fundraisers and Easter candy sales on hold- you will be fine.

1 minute ago, Ynot02 said:

No, since you are requesting the exception, YOU send the email with a summary of the conversation so you have it in writing. That burden is not on the person who granted the exception.

So you would do it for the other situations?

Is it unfathomable to believe that this is possibly what went down:

Montour reaches out to Pihl to discuss said player eligibility via the old, outdated mode of communication- the telephone.  Explains situation in detail.  High ranking pihl offical or officials say that transfer eligibility does not apply to this situation for whatever reason.  Perhaps because he did not transfer high schools idk.  Montour says ok, thank you very much, have a nice day.  Should montour have said “send me an email to confirm”?  Before you say yes:

If at your job you are allotted a 30 min lunch break and you ask your boss, “is it ok if I take an hour for lunch today, my father is visiting from San Diego”?  He replies “sure”.  Do you ask “can you send me an email to confirm”?

Suppose you are a college student and you have an unfortunate death in the family and the service is scheduled at the same time as your chemistry exam.  You ask your professor after class if he can reschedule your exam explaining the situation.   He says “sure, sorry for your loss”.  Do you then reply “please send me an email”?  
 

Perhaps there even is an email.  Just saying, to assume that there were definitely ill-intentions involved is close-minded.