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45 minutes ago, HockeyDad23 said:

I'm having a little faith that the governor realizes all the extra efforts that some officials and parents have to through for the kids and will realize it is important to us. Hopefully leaning to increase the limits ever so slightly. Anything is better than 25 for hockey. Not ideal but I'll sacrifice watching live so they can play with coaches, refs, and full rosters. 

I hope he realizes that if he makes it 50 or 75 for indoor, then all of us go away and its one less thing he has to worry about. I am sure he and his staff are getting sick of the calls from crazy hockey parents.

I guess local rinks and organizations are going to have to take the "speakeasy" approach to this in order to get games in. Call them scrimmages, screw MidAm, screw USA Hockey. Just let the kids play. This whole season is a wash anyway, as I highly doubt there will be nationals so just keep doing what everyone is already doing. Follow social distancing guidelines, wear you damn mask, and don't give anyone any reason to complain about whats happening.

Hell, this way the PAHL teams will probably get to play more than their normally allotted number of games too. 

23 minutes ago, HockeyDad23 said:

RMU is still enforcing it. But my guess is they fear consequences of the governors wrath being affiliated with the univesity.

That is false. They are allowing full roster games 5v5.

36 minutes ago, Spear and Magic Helmet said:

I think that if some of the rinks are enforcing 25 and some are not, then someone whose home rink is enforcing 25 will tattle on the rinks that are not.

What rinks are still enforcing the 25 limit and forcing 4v4? Literally every single rink I have been to in the past two weeks have allowed 5v5 and the two that weren't have as of today, lifted that restriction. 

Do you think that a certain organization or rink really wants to be the whistle blower to put a stop to all of this?

10 minutes ago, hockey55 said:

So what does this mean for hockey now?

Who is enforcing these restrictions? Do the police have the power to come in and shut down a hockey game if its over the 25 capacity limit?

I think the majority of the rinks are fed up with this BS and will allow full roster games to be played. Most likely still without spectators, and making sure the players follow the protocols. 

1 hour ago, Seejay784 said:

We've been to Ohio a few times this year, and we played Detroit teams in the tournaments.  The parents we talked to explained to us that they just have to clip the mask on the outside of the cage. It looks weird but the kids didn't really care.

I feel like clipping the mask on the outside of the cage would greatly obstruct your view, as opposed to just wearing it normally under the cage.

Also, I have been informed that starting October 1st, the restrictions will be lifted in some capacity in terms of roster size and spectators at the UPMC complex. 

Should a different approach be taken? Instead of writing bills to eliminate the restrictions completely, what about asking to write a bill that makes them slightly more lenient? For example 75 people indoor and 350 outdoor. 

75 people indoor would more than suffice to allow full roster games and spectators. None of this would be an issue at all. Parents would still need to socially distance and wear masks but the season would go on as "normal"

The train seems to be rolling in the right direction for a "normal" season. I have heard from several organizations that their covid policies are going to be re-evaluated and most likely changed to allow full rosters and spectators starting October 1st. 

43 minutes ago, fafa fohi said:

Interesting you pointing out what you saw for a "private rental."  Is this different than what NP or the high schools such as NA or Seneca have been doing?  Are those teams sharing ice or having full ice practices to stay under the 25 person limit?  And if so why are more skaters being allowed for private rentals?

I am not sure, but this was a private rental with split ice between two well known coaches in the area. 

20 minutes ago, hockeyisgreat said:

Is it Baierl that is letting them or is it North Pittsburgh who is being creative. I still contend that the Private Rink Owners do not care how you use the ice once you rent it as long as it doesn't go over their Recreational Use maximum.

Both of the situations are from first hand experience in the past week. My kid was on the ice.

-There were 28 players and 3 coaches on the ice during a private ice rental at Bairel. One half of the ice was being used by 2 coaches and 20 kids, the other half was a coach and 8 kids. No middle barrier. 

-There were 42 players and 6 coaches on the ice at RMU. This was split into two groups divided by barriers in the neutral zone. 21 kids and 3 coaches on one side and 20 kids and 3 coaches on the other.

I have no reason to believe that either rink is trying to dig their heels into the ground about moving forward with hockey as "normal" as possible like some other people on this forum seem to think. 

I don't think there's anyone involved in Western PA youth hockey that doesn't want to see 5v5 full rostered games as quickly as possible.

41 minutes ago, Danner27 said:

Not that I don’t believe you, until we see rinks such as Warrendale & Rmu allow full play it doesn’t really matter. Both of those rinks are The ones holding up PAHL and PIHL. 

If I was a betting man I would bet that RMU will open up in a more "normal" sense rather quickly. Given that they have one of the biggest and most used facilities in the area, they have quite a lot to gain from this news, and even more to lose if they don't.  

I could be dead wrong though, I am a terrible gambler.

Looks good! I'll echo others and say the light version of this would probably be more my style, however this is nice too. An app would be excellent!

You're like Beetlejuice, but we only had to say your name once for you to show up.

5 minutes ago, miked said:

a 9/10 year old could learn a lot from playing one on one with a varsity player and have a blast doing it. 

Great post and excellent advice. Thank you!

Your last sentence is pretty much the exact scenario that I think my son would learn the most from, and that never really occurred to me until just now. 

12 hours ago, BeaverFalls said:

Here’s the winning scenario. Take that 10k a year and use it on hell, even private lessons.  Have your kid obliterate PIHL and be the BMOC. Watch as he shares the ice in ACHA with some kid who played “AAA” since squirts. 

On that note, who's the best local coach offering private lessons?

8 minutes ago, Jack Handey said:

I haven't said a thing about squirts but since you brought it up, why does this PAHL rule apply to PPE squirts but not Venegades squirts?

 

Is this because PPE is the only "official" Tier 1 association in the area? 

4 minutes ago, aaaahockey said:

Squirt minor AA SCIR team last year was the Vengeance 2010 team and 09 before that and 08 before that. I believe that's how they sell their program - play a pahl and aaa schedule. 

I do not believe the 08s played peewee pahl last year and I don't believe the 09s are this year so it might just be a squirt thing. 

So are the Vengeance youth teams essentially double rostered as SCIR AA teams? So a PAHL AA + "AAA" independent schedule?

Sounds similar to the Viper Stars concept?

Sorry if I'm spouting off nonsense, I know nothing about these organizations, but this is intriguing to me.

10 minutes ago, Guru said:

Wording seems directed to restaurants, breweries and event venues.  I’m not sure it helps but it can’t hurt

However, things still in USAH/MidAms hands.  They have to reverse their directive

I don't think its USA Hockey. They have left it up to the districts to make the call. From the website: "As USA Hockey continues adapting to the coronavirus situation, the safety of participants always remains our top priority. USA Hockey will sanction hockey for the 2020-21 season and medical experts have confirmed that with taking appropriate precautions, it is indeed safe to play hockey today."

8 minutes ago, Quinlan2020 said:

There are a lot of good players on SCIR PAHL squirt teams.

Someone told me they were scrubs.

That whole situation is confusing to me. Why do the Vengeance youth (squirt-bantam) teams exist? Why not just make SCIR the "feeder" program into the Vengeance junior team? I'm not knocking it, because I don't know much about those programs. Whats the difference between the Vengeance youth teams and SCIR PAHL teams? 

10 minutes ago, dropthepuck said:

Maybe, just maybe if no one responds to Quinlans posts he will go away,

Don't worry, when covid is no longer a hot topic of discussion he will go away. He has nothing of value in relation to hockey talk to add to this board.

Quinlan I have a genuinely serious question for you and I’m not trying to be a dick.

Will you have anything hockey related to add to this forum when (not if) the COVID concerns die down? 

29 minutes ago, 66PensMom24 said:

Your kid must play on a lower PAHL team. 

12 minutes ago, Quinlan2020 said:

You're right. It i boring. It's more fun when everyone agrees with each other. There should be separate forums for people that are right and people that are wrong.

I am assuming you haven't seen what this place is like during tryouts or towards the end of January or February when everyone is talking about the mid am standings and what not. It's a blast! There are PLENTY of things to argue about, and lots of folks who love doing it. Also the PPE bashing is a spectacle of itself. Hell, there's even been a few people banned for saying stupid sh*t. 

I for one am VERY looking forward to getting back to talking about hockey.