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1 hour ago, twoboys said:

  2 games per team at home.  Guessing 700 a game.  So, 1400 for a pair of games.  Do this 3-5 times.  

What do those costs relate to? You should be able to secure ice time and refs for two games for less than $700 total. Or am I misreading this?

Agree 100% that the automatic offsides is an absurd rule that needs to go away immediately. 

14 minutes ago, Corsi said:

Also remember, the further you travel, the less likely you are to see local teams.  Buffalo, Cleveland, and DC are all relatively close to Pittsburgh.  Stretching out to Detroit, Boston, Indianapolis, and Philadelphia may give a team a better chance at avoiding having to play local teams out of town.

and normally the only teams that travel to places like Detroit, Boston, Chicago etc. are the independent ones....

26 minutes ago, rock said:

i feel like a lot of these kids, coaches, and parents going independent are just tired of paying the same kids and same organizations over and over every year.. its new opportunity to play different teams, different kids.. when you start playing so young you fall into playing the same teams and kids year after year after year.. 

 

For my youngest specifically I'm definitely in this boat. This will be his 5th year of mites and I am sick of playing the same teams over and over again. Doing a bunch of AAU full ice tournaments and games this year to get some variety and a bit more a challenge. I am without a doubt on the fence about what to do next year for squirts. 

This wasn't an issue for my oldest as he played A minor for squirts and peewees, but still it got annoying seeing the same teams coached by the same dads at the same rinks with the same crappy refs over and over again. 

3 minutes ago, Jack Handey said:

Hmmm... Predator fees for birth year teams are mysteriously higher than mixed birth year teams.  And on top of season fees you get a bonus fee for coaching.  At least you and your kid will feel special.  Kind of makes you wonder who the real predator is here.

That's generally the same model used for all orgs with BY teams. Which I'm totally cool with as long as it equates to either more practice slots or more games or both. Also having non parent head coaches is another big draw for a lot of people as it has been discussed at great lengths on this site. 

In this scenario would it mean that ALL minor pure BY teams would be obligated to play in the AA Minor division? What happens if the team is weak? Seeing that in a couple of cases so far this year....

8 minutes ago, aaaahockey said:

I can't believe I'm going down this rabbit hole of peewee hockey talk but what happened to the Southpointe 10 birthyear team? They were pretty good last year.  Are they still PAHL or did they go independent too?  If PAHL are they slotting AA OR A major?

Independent AA

12 minutes ago, dazedandconfused said:

I'm sure once the new owners get in there, they'll have all their rink teams playing in their own league. Beware the Bear.

I agree and honestly I don’t see it as a negative thing... maybe it will shake things up a bit around here.

Just now, RJUSHL said:

You're absolutely right. Some of those smaller organizations will have a "team 1" that is primarily kids in their major year with a few minor year kids sprinkled in. Some bigger organizations do this as well. Lebo for example in many cases. Those teams would have the option of playing "up" in AA Major. Obviously all AA Minor teams will be verified to make sure all kids are in their minor year.

BY makes sense to me for first year squirts, but only if their only competition is also all first year squirts. For the simple reason that everyone is generally on the same playing field. Obviously you'll still have those stand out kids who played one or two seasons of full ice AAU that have a better idea of how the game is played, but for the most part everyone will be learning as they go. In a perfect world that would be possible in PAHL, but looking at the current teams it appears there's only 3 total 12BY teams this year? (preds,foxes,vipers). Looking at MHR it seems the foxes team is really struggling against mixed year teams, which is no surprise at all.

21 minutes ago, hockey57410 said:

And at this point, does it even matter anymore?  You know the "independent" teams are still going to play some of the local PAHL teams anyway.  I think people are fed up with PAHL, their FP Points and other drama.  I'm not sure what purpose PAHL has at this point.

Off topic but in regards to PAHL and their rules. I watched a game between two 07 PAHL teams this past weekend and saw a total of 3 body checks. Is this because teams don't want to risk getting penalties and messing up the FP points and all that BS or just because its preseason? Like, honestly I was shocked. There was AT LEAST 20 perfect opportunities for someone to lay a good hit and nobody did. 

Preds 12BY is playing PAHL. 11BY team is a very skilled group of kids and are playing an independent schedule. 

2 hours ago, fafa fohi said:

As an FYI, PPE gets at-large bids to Nationals even if they don't win Mid-Ams.  Last year at Mid-Ams the 06 Barons took PPE to overtime in the championship game and lost, and if they had won the Barons would have received the automatic bid and PPE the at-large bid.

And I think that's part of the "legit" vs "faux" AAA argument/problem

6 minutes ago, dropthepuck said:

The problem is you go 5 hours away and end up playing those local teams away from home. Good AAA teams never want to come to Pittsburgh because they have quality opponents in their area. 

Little Ceasers, JR Flyers and Florida Alliance all came to Pittsburgh to play in the ATC tourney against the Vengeance a couple of weeks ago. I'd consider all three of those clubs to be quality AAA programs. 

At this point I'm just waiting for the EXCEL Academy Daycare to pop up. A competitive environment for your hockey minded infant/toddler ages 18m-4 years.  The sad thing is that I personally know of a couple parents that would be all over it.

1 hour ago, Spear and Magic Helmet said:

Don't they already have the former Iceoplex at Southpointe? Or is there another rink in the South Hills you're referring to?

Ice Castle is the only one I can think of that meets Black Bears M.O. and I don't see them selling. 

Ice rental at New Ken is $325/hr for peak times.  Not sure what it was prior to BBS taking over but it’s still about $100 less than RMU and Baierl...

24 minutes ago, Ihearthockey said:

I'm hearing that the 2011 (or Squirt) year is having big goalie issues in general, just ask NP.   

Absolutely. The 2011 and younger goalies are pretty much non existent in this area. I know of at least 6 large PAHL organizations that had zero or just one goalie show up to their mite evaluations this year, and several of those same organizations struggled to fill their 10U spots. Even the 66ers didn’t fill all of their goalie slots this year, and obviously this thread is a telling sign of PPE at the squirt level too.

 Not sure if this is because there isn’t much emphasis on the position at those ages with the ADM system, or they don’t really nurture the kids that WANT to play goalie. Then you also have the parents that don’t want their kid between the pipes. In Pittsburgh specifically maybe it’s because Fleury is no longer a Penguin which I’m positive had an effect on the number of goalies in this area in years past. Either way it’s not a good sign for the future....

Like how PPE poached their goalie?.... hence why they need another. 

7 hours ago, BeaverFalls said:

The divisions I’m familiar with are the exact same as what they were last year; to include teams that played in an age group last year that aren’t even fielding a team in that age group this year. 

Look at 12U and 10U. They are all different. Different birth years, different team numbers, etc. 

@dazedandconfused @aaaahockey @fafa fohi

Guys I understand at this point in the pandemic it’s almost impossible to avoid, but let’s please try to keep this thread and this entire forum to just hockey related topics. If you really feel the need to discuss political matters or COVID related stuff with each other, you’re more than welcome to do so via private messages. Let’s also chill on the name calling and language. There’s no need for that crap. 

2 hours ago, hockeyisgreat said:

So all other things being equal (Quality of Coaches).  Ice time is very important to you.  You drive a little farther for a better Ice time.  Do your kids play in different divisions?  Are their practices back to back?  Will you consider changing organizations again somewhere down the road?

Yes, aside from coaching I would say that ice time is the most important thing. I have an 09 and a 13. My 09 is a lower level player and will likely not play after this season as he has a lot of other interests he wants to pursue. My '13 will likely make the jump to "AAA" for squirts. He is a talented and driven kid who is addicted to hockey. Their practice schedule for this season seems to line up nicely. I drive 40+ minutes to the rink and pass 4 other rinks on my way. I have been really impressed with both of their coaching staffs, and like how things are properly communicated to us. I could never get a straight answer from anyone at our old organization and half the parents had no idea we had to drive to places like Johnstown or Erie for games. Then you have half the team that doesn't want to spend the extra money to participate in tournaments, it totally killed it for us. 

1 hour ago, hockeyisgreat said:

My question is for folks with multiple kids playing hockey over several age groups. They get a better feel for an organization as a whole instead of particular birth years.  Anyone care to offer an opinion as to why they like where they are or why they switched to a different organization. Seems like Preds, Mt Lebo and SHAHA would compete for the same kids.  How do you pick one over the other?  I think most others start because of proximity to the rink.

 

I prefer the organizations that can offer some type of consistent practice slot for the whole season.  Location obviously plays a huge part in picking the organization, but I personally don't mind driving a little further if its worth it.

We switched from one large organization to a slightly smaller one for multiple reasons. Reason number one being that 5pm weeknight practices are nearly impossible to make with two working parents. And when those 5pm practices were all four 10U teams on the ice at once and running station drills like mites do, it wasn't really worth pissing my boss off by leaving early every week. Not to mention no set schedule so it really messed up our home life balance, especially when you have other kids who do other activities like dance/cheerleading etc. Reason number two was the people involved. 

I understand that the teams cant advertise their practice schedule ahead of time because they usually sit down and figure that out in July based on what the rink can offer, but  it sure would make it an easier decision for some, myself included. Regardless, my sons are both very happy with where they are playing currently. The coaching is great for both age levels, and the set practice times make it easy to plan around my daughters schedule. 

1 minute ago, Wondering aloud said:

I heard that they "play to win" which when clarified was meant to mean they play dirty. I wondered if others felt the same way? 

 

 

 

There was a video (or at least a livebarn time and date, I cant completely remember) posted here not that long ago which showed Preds players playing dirty after the whistle and resulted in one player punching a ref. It also resulted in the parents brawling in the stands.

 If you are asking as an outsider looking in maybe thinking of moving to the area or possibly changing organizations, I would suggest you look elsewhere unless that kind of atmosphere is your thing. Just my .02 as some random hockey dad on the internet. 

Which team specifically? 

From an organizational stand point they are the favoritism type. The kids that get the best looks and ice time are the ones who’s parents worship at the alter. They are known to play loose and fast with the rules, have parents manipulate game clocks, argue with refs, fight in the stands, and tout a higher level of play than what they can produce. My experience with them both have being involved at one point to playing against/coaching against them and being a visiting parent dates back to 2004 and ranges from mites to midgets. It’s seems like it’s the same stuff every year. 

Coaching wise they have some good coaches in their system, they also have some that don’t mind having their palms greased to give a kid some extra ice time. 

Lately my experience with their younger teams (mites and squirts) has been mostly positive, aside from the occasional too intense mite parents which you’ll find everywhere. 

I hate to be the pessimistic a$$hole here but none of this will matter because nobody will show up for the games and the program wont get the continued funding it needs and will be shut down again. Everyone wants to be a keyboard warrior for the program but when it comes to actually supporting the teams and showing up to the games, that's too much of an inconvenience. 

Or they come back and the arena is packed every night and they win the NCAA championship and Disney makes a movie about it.