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47 minutes ago, sadday4hockey said:

And that's the problem.

That’s certainly your opinion, and a valid one.

I am of the opinion that is it merited based upon what happened. We will see how the season unfolds.

4 hours ago, sadday4hockey said:

The Armstrong players were not the problem here. Poorly-parented students, adults in the stands, security, the Riverhawk board members and Coaches all have some responsibility that they failed to act upon. The players were/are to do what to satisfy you, Sutton. This is going affect them for a long time both on and off the ice. Maybe, just maybe it's time to stop the rhetoric and start the healing process? Not saying forget it and move on, saying find ways to bring the game back to together.

Regardless of whatever opinion you have on the matter, the team itself essentially came out of this with no punishment, aside from the suspension handed down to the player who baseball swung a Mars players head.  If they make the finals, you can bet this story will come up again and be all the conversation.  Some people will say they shouldn't be there, and others will say they should, but it will 100% be all the talk.

This punishment is obviously a slap on the wrist for Armstrong but not sure what else the PIHL can really do.  They could have sent a strong message that this won’t be tolerated and brought the hammer down but chose to take a safe approach and that’s definitely understandable.  
 

Armstrong is one of the better teams in AA this year and I for one will be watching closely if they get to the PIHL’s biggest stage in the finals and let the league have to deal with that after letting the team off the hook here.  
 

I hope this dies down for the players sake after Monday and thank anyone with true intentions to change this sort of behavior going forward.  All of this starts at home.

Crickets after the disciplinary hearing last night.  Anyone hear anything at all?

Really makes you wonder if anything will be done to not announce anything with all the attention this story has

19 minutes ago, hockey123 said:

First off as someone who played hockey it is very hard to understand what people are saying from outside of the ice surface. So you are incorrect when saying they are all aware of the chants. Also, no one is seen egging on the inappropriate chants of the crowd. The players are just simply celebrating after scoring a goal like any other team would do. You need to stop exaggerating and bringing the team into this when they are not involved.

Check the time, this is late in the third period.  That is the captain, son of the president of Armstrong Hockey, clearly egging on the crowd after an ENTIRE GAME OF CHANTING.  They really look appalled at what was happening don't they?  You're wrong hockey123, they are just as much to blame.

These outlets covering this story is all smoke and mirrors though, the question is what will actually get done here.  The PIHL is going to do whatever it takes to make this go away quietly as easily as possible.

Just now, forbin said:

Please do not post the photo on this site. You may private message it to people if you wish. Feel free to send it my way if you’d like. 

I was advised on PM by an Armstrong parent that the photo circulating is actually the team and not the team with fans.  So I'll eat crow on that one.

Not sure I'm able to post it, but how they are allowed to take the ice last night is inexcusable.

30 minutes ago, Chuck Gardiner said:

Are the players and coaches the ones that deserve to be punished here.   I could partly blame them but I think the rink and security have the responsibility of providing an safe venue to play the game.   I’m sure tonight’s PIHL executive meeting agenda will involve a broom trying to sweep this mess under the rug.   Maybe PIHL should ban games from being played at the Belmont rink since it’s not a safe environment.  
 

sounds like it’s happened for a long time at both the PIHL and PAHL level at this rink. 

 

The Players, Coaches, Game administrators, and Refs were all aware of the chants.  The players are seen multiple times, including the captain in the third period, egging the crowd on and telling them to get louder.  Watch the game.  If you discipline only the fans, nobody learns a thing here and nothing changes.  The team is just as culpable as the student section.

All this outrage and news articles, and absolutely nothing mentioned that Armstrong was able to take their entire team and play last night and beat Butler.  Not a single player, coach, administrator was punished, it's like nothing happened for them.  You watch the league delay this until the outrage dies down and it'll just fade away.

Armstrong was able to take their entire team intact this evening and beat Butler 10-3, but it’s okay because the principal made sure none of the students got into the rink…In Valencia.
Go Riverhawks!

1 hour ago, GrumpyOldPucker said:

I do have a comment to every one of you wanna-be supervisors bitching about the officials....

// Rant Mode ON

LACE 'EM UP AND GET OUT THERE AND PROVE THAT YOU CAN DO BETTER! NO EXCUSES LIKE "I CAN"T SKATE OR I WOULD"! PUT UP OR STFU ALREADY! I CANNOT TELL YOU HOW MANY PROMISING YOUNG OFFICIALS I HAVE SEEN QUIT OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS BECAUSE OF YAHOOS LIKE YOU! I GUARANTEE THAT IT IS A WHOLE LOT EASIER TO SEE THE PLAY FROM THE TOP ROW THAN IN THE MIDDLE OF IT. THE DIFFERENCE IS LIKE WATCHING VIDEO IN SUPER SLOW MO ON A 60" SCREEN VS WATCHING ON FAST FORWARD THROUGH A FISHEY LENS. EVEN STANDING AGAINST THE GLASS IN THE CORNER IS VERY, VERY DIFFERENT THAN BEING PART OF THE PLAY.

//Rant mode OFF

 

Grumpy, you’re way off base here.  This has literally nothing to do with the play on the ice.  Those two officials were aware of the fans harassing a female player, and they did nothing.  If those chants were directed at the officials, they’d have been gone in 2 minutes no question. 

Armstrong plays tonight, so far no discipline has been announced.  
 

And I’ll guarantee those two officials are doing games this week.

disgraceful.

7 minutes ago, nemesis8679 said:

And I'm not laying blame, they obviously weren't chanting these things, but where was the Mars coaching staff during this? I would've demanded the refs do something, and my team wouldn't have played until this was addressed, period. Yelling parents and students acting up during the course of a game is one thing. But this is something entirely different. 

The Mars coaches were going at the officials all game for a variety of reasons, including a student dressed as a ref blowing a whistle during play.  In this scenario and everything that happened documented on this thread, If you think any blame lies there, you need your head checked.

2 minutes ago, fafa fohi said:

Armstrong player taking a slash to a Mars player, only followed with a "he's a pussy" chant from the Armstrong trash.

Also, Mars didn't even end up with a Power play here.  Yep, a chop to the HEAD was a 2 minute slash, any other official throws that player out.

1 minute ago, hockey57410 said:

That is nothing new for Belmont or Armstrong.  If you've ever played there or seen the parents, you'll understand.  

That seems to be the common tone to the thread for some, and almost seems to be like "eh, that's armstrong for you, that always happens there".  BS, Something needs done on this and action needs taken to make sure nobody else has to endure this type of treatment.  We are talking about a 16 year old female here.  The league needs to come down hard here, not to mention Safesport and USA hockey.  The officials knowingly let these chants happen the entire game, and took no action.  There is a security guard walking by the student section multiple times without so much as saying a word.  Armstrong board members are sitting just to the right of the student section, nothing was done.  It is a total and complete failure by all involved, but I'll bet the mortgage that Zmenkowski and Trego will be reffing and blowing calls next week, two of the absolute worst in the area.

2 minutes ago, Mitch said:

I might not have a big pull with the league but I just sent something over to the commissioner directly. I hope the league takes it seriously.

Both on ice officials were absolutely aware of the chants and again chose to do absolutely nothing.  Mars coaches were all over them.

3 minutes ago, HSFBLJ said:

No more students at the games.  Only parents.  The on ice officials should have done something.  Game management should have done something.  One of the parents should have done something.  Somone from the rink should have done something.  Isn't there a police officer at all PIHL games?

Police officer is posted up right by the student section, if you watch the game you will see him walk around.  Didn't do a thing.

Here is the money shot of the evening.   A She's a hooker followed by a "suck our...."

Absolutely disgusting display from Armstrong fans last night at the Belmont complex. Mars has a female goaltender, last night chants coming from the student section of "she's a wh*re", references to tampons, and sexual harassment all took place.  The officials, as well as Armstrong board members, sat back and let this happen and did nothing.  Not a single spectator thrown out.  How this can happen is beyond me.  Mars goalie was in tears during the ice cut, visible even in the stands across the ice.  Unfathomable that this was allowed to happen and nothing was done and it was allowed to continue the entire game.  Chants are heard plain as day on the livebarn feed, as well As on the broadcast on boxcast.tv, these officials Zmenkowski and Trego should absolutely be reprimanded for allowing this to occur.

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