Big Earn

10 hours ago, Pucks11 said:

Only 3 players consistently on the team from the beginning. 

“Apples to Apples”, there are 4 originals remaining…..

4 hours ago, Salsemotionalfriend said:

Not “way too excited” about the result.  My original post was in response to yours where you claimed:

“I would also suggest that at the one younger age group where the parents of a lot of top players thumbed their noses at the "Elite", they are also getting their asses handed to themand that would be at the 08 age group. I would bet a LOT of dough that they won't be reaching out to play the 08 Vengeance team at any timeother than a forced matchup at MidAms.” 

This duplicitous crap that is spread around this message board, by adults mind you, reeks of jealousy and simplemindedness.  Thats why I originally posted and the dim witted responses are exactly what I expected.  

Oh and btw, if we are truly comparing apples to apples, PPE 08 is 4-1 against Vengeance 08 over the last few years.   

BoBo Out.  

LMAO, no dog in the fight, eh?  Clearly you’ve left out that the 08 rosters for both have changed quite a bit in that 4-1 record you tout.  I wasn’t going to bring this up, but since you're referring to rosters, the V is the only true Pitt based team.  PPE has kids from other states, including Canada.  Next year the few remaining Pitt kids will be replaced by even more imports, just like what’s gone on with the BY’s above them……so if you are one of the “originals”, hopefully your son can hang on to the dream.  

3 hours ago, Salsemotionalfriend said:

First post here but I felt compelled to respond to this with some truth.  This past weekend the PPE 2008s won the USHL Fall Classic 14U by going 5-0.  They beat AAA powerhouses including a Minnesota all star team comprised of talented kids from the Blades & Lakers, Mount St. Charles & yes even the highly touted and talked about 08’ Vengeance in a game more anticipated than the Mayweather/Pacquiao fight.  
 

I am a “hockey guy” with no dog in the fight and went to the game played primetime @ upmc.  I must admit I was surprised because of postings I have read on this board.   The PPE outplayed and outmuscled the Vengeance even their star forwards who looked shell shocked and frustrated and their bigger D who looked like they never faced a team that moved the puck.  The PPE team was organized and efficient while the V’s looked disheveled and unhinged.  Maybe coaching? 

Overall, PPE just plain way out skilled the V’s at every position including goalie.  PPE seemed to be a deeper more talented team who used skill and speed to overwhelm and frustrate.
 

I’m not sure if this game was organized and scheduled by PPE or USHL but kudos for playing it at the Lemieux center.  Fun to watch. 

Pens won this game because they out skated/hustled the Vengeance team, plain and simple.  Credit to them.  Hopefully these teams can play more frequently now that the ice has been broken….

In terms of your description of the game, it was a 2-1 game until a late empty net goal, so I tend to disagree that PPE “way out-skilled” the V.  I also disagree with the “star forwards” being shell shocked.  They’ve played in this game before, so that’s misleading.  

Last, the V had the toughest overall schedule last season, so I’d have to assume they’ve seen teams that move the puck….

20 minutes ago, forbin said:

Because they can't let down the curtain and show their parents what other options are out there.

There should absolutely be a Pittsburgh AAA tournament every year. PPE, Vengeance, Preds, etc. Put it all out there and let the games do the talking. There is NO way PPE would ever agree to do that though unfortunately. 

Good point, would be fun for the kids also.  Many other states do this and it seems successful. 

23 minutes ago, Saucey said:

Why does it matter if they did? It only matters if you are placing a great deal of importance on ranking 11 and 12 year old youth hockey teams. You've got posters inviting other posters out to the proverbial parking lot. 

It's just dumb for grown people to get worked up over this stuff.

Thanks for the advice. ??

1 hour ago, Saucey said:

COVID makes this whole argument dumber than usual. With players not being able to play, being quarantined, being sick...all rankings/comparisons get a side eye from me this year. I've had that conversation with my kid, whose team has assumed victory over another based on looking at that website and then were surprised to get beat...truly, all bets are off this season. Plus, any teams crowing from an Alpha rink that has been known to continue to operate despite shut downs, particularly gets raised eyebrows. You get an edge just from playing when no one else could.

You don't need to toot your kid's horn anonymously on a message board. It becomes clear on its own if the Vengeance program is better than the Pens. All I think when I see these threads is Jesus, so glad that crazed parent is on someone else's team. Not a good look.

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44 minutes ago, Pucks11 said:

What are top teams though? 2%, 5% maybe 10% of the over 1,300 listed. 

No one is doubting that the Vengeance are the best local team but you can only play the games offered to you and the PPE have done that and proven themselves the best they could just like the Vengeance. They are 6 spots away from each other but you don't consider them AAA. 

Your mind is clearly made up and apparently you are the type that is never wrong.  This conversation is beyond exhausting, even other members of this site are tired of reading.....

6 minutes ago, dropthepuck said:

I wasn't directing it toward your post just the direction this thread has gone. Bottom line:

TRIPLE A HOCKEY IS EXPENSIVE!!!!

Very expensive!  

1 minute ago, Pucks11 said:

What makes a AAA team, a AAA team if you think the 16th ranked team is AA??? This is a very simple question that you beat around the bush with. Lifelongbender answered with the top 25 out of 1,319 teams is pretty good which is the top 2.0%. 

A 3A team is one that plays the top teams in the US and Canada.  Obviously Covid prevents Canada from being in the discussion.  The only team that has done that is the V team.  Which goes back to my point where you brought up the other local teams.  Surely you can agree??

I’m not beating around the bush, and frankly, don’t owe you anything, considering I don’t even know who I’m talking to.  

1 minute ago, dropthepuck said:

FYI. Anyone can submit scores to My Hockey as long as there is a website to confirm scores. Comparing 08's to the former Pittsburgh Hornets program is asinine. 16u and above is all that matters,

My threads have not once compared anyone to the Pitt Hornets.  That is a conversation to be had with another person on this site.  

8 hours ago, Pucks11 said:

So again you can't answer a simple question. Thank you. I draw my conclusions from FACTS you have merely said nah uh and covered your ears the whole time. 

Time to end this discussion.  I will try to state my point one last time.  Hopefully you can refrain from responding like a toddler.  

The rankings are skewed as a result of teams not including their full slate of games.  I assume you can see/agree here?  I know for fact that this vengeance team has games left off at the request of the opposing teams.  Unfortunately for this V team, some of those wins and close losses, were against the teams I’ve mentioned many times before.  Moj has also mentioned this, so maybe that will help this sink in.

Since PPE has come into this, even though you say your kid doesn’t play here, my point to their schedule is they play lower ranked teams, beat them soundly, which equates to a better rating, and ranking.  Unfortunately for PPE, they have not played anyone ranked higher than 15th all year.  They went 0-1-1 against that 15th ranked team.  

With that said, this is the point I’m trying to suggest, the V team has played a very different schedule from PPE, which suggests the difference of 0.24 rating between them is horribly skewed.  

8 minutes ago, Pucks11 said:

So what is a "top team" in your eyes? There are 1,319 teams in the 2008 rankings and according to you the 16th ranked team is a AA team. That 16th ranked teams rating is only 00.24 points behind this untouchable Vengeance team. 

The 5th ranked team is 00.81 higher than the Vengeance. 

Never called anyone “untouchable”, you continue to draw your own conclusions.  You also continue to refuse to accept that the ratings you are so heavily reliant upon aren’t accurate.  Enjoy having this conversation with someone else.  Good day 

6 minutes ago, Pucks11 said:

I have read everything you have written but you still can't answer a simple question asked to you MULTIPLE times. You just keep saying nah uh and covering your ears. The rankings go by what's reported if they want to be a top 5 team then stop talking about it and be about it. 

If we go by your statements then the Vengeance are not a AAA team because they played a AA team. 

This is really the slowest I can ask it but I will try just 1 more time for the slow kids in the back (you). 

What makes a AAA team, a AAA team? According to your standards the 16th ranked team in the USA is a AA team but they have played a full AAA schedule where the Vengeance haven't. 

Bud, the V team played a Birmingham team that was ranked 64 or whatever your top-notch research uncovered.  This game was played because this team was added to a tournament in which another team dropped out.  As I said, this same V team is the only local team that has played most of its schedule, reported or not, vs top teams.  No other team in this area can say the same.  Just because a team has 3 A’s next to their name, doesn’t make it true.  

Your reference to genitals and now, what I assume are special ed students, only reveal how insecure and small minded you really are.  Tough-guy on the keyboard......

18 minutes ago, Pucks11 said:

The Vengeance record vs top 10 teams as reported is 0-4-1, that doesn't make them a top 5 team. 

Since reading and comprehension doesn't seem to be your strong suit I will make this as simple of a question as possible for you. 

What makes a AAA team,  a AAA team if you consider the 16th ranked team in the USA a AA team???

I’m glad you brought up reading and comprehension, because you lack both.  The key to your latest thread is “as reported”.  You need to also consider “not reported”, but you refuse to read and comprehend what I’ve been saying all along.  Not sure how much clearer I can make it.  Good luck in your endeavor to ruin this message board.  

25 minutes ago, Pucks11 said:

Why enter that tournament if you consider yourself a top team knowing those teams would be there???

So I am still waiting for you to hit me with some FACTS/FACT CHECKING that you have constantly claimed to do. You just keep yelling but haven't made a single point yet. 

1 simple question and let's see if you can answer it without the Vengeance nuts in your mouth. 

What makes a AAA team,  a AAA team??? The only team in Pittsburgh to play ALL AAA teams is the PPE but you consider them a AA team and they are ranked 16th. How many AAA teams are there in your eyes across the USA if the 16th ranked team is considered a AA team to you? 

I’ll let you identify the teams in that LC’s tournament since you know all about this 08 V team.  Can you name any teams in the top 10 that any other local team in Pitt has played other than the Vengeance?  I’ll hang up and listen......

Your obsession with genitals is repulsive, btw.  

8 minutes ago, Pucks11 said:

So according to your standards if you play even just 1 AA team then you are not playing a AAA schedule. Therefore the Vengeance played Birmingham which is the 63rd ranked team and also a AA team eliminates the Vengeance from being a top team and shouldn't be considered a AAA team. 

The Pens have played all AAA teams so according to YOUR standards they should be considered the ONLY AAA around here then. 

 

So because I am listing FACTS while you just say nah uh the whole time I look foolish. I bet if the Vengeance told you to jump off a bridge you would just ask which one without questioning them. 

I bet your kid gets cut next season, you don't see the GOOD kids parents on here slurping down the Vengeance juices. 

Studying Pee-wee rankings?? It takes 2 min to look at the rankings???. 

Bro, they played Birmingham and VHonda because those teams were in the Little Cesars Tournament, not because they chose to, that’s how a tournament works.  

LET ME SPELL THIS OUT FOR YOU ONE LAST TIME- top teams are NOT listing all their games on the site, therefore, the rankings are skewed.  If you think this 08 V team is full of s**t and don’t deserve their due, good for you.  Otherwise, take your bad feelings and head home now, I’m off this pointless tirade.....  

8 minutes ago, Pucks11 said:

Actually followed that pretty well and NONE of the teams listed 1 game, they all listed at least 2 games. But nice try, you can't even list facts when you read them yourself. Just stop trying,  you look stupid.  Keep drinking that Kool-aid. 

So they listed 2 games, but played 5. Again, this is my point.  I don’t sit for hours and study Pee-Wee rankings as apparently you do.  But you will find a way to dispute that also I’m sure.  Do us all a favor and move on.  

4 minutes ago, Pucks11 said:

2 teams below the top 25??? Valley Forge is 27th (3 games), Washington capitals are 31st(1 game), Victory Honda 51st (1 game) and Birmingham 63rd (1 game). That makes 6 games vs teams outside of the top 25. Seriously buddy it take 2 min to find these things out. Get the Vengeance D**k out of your mouth, especially when you have proven time and time again that you literally have no idea what you are talking about. 

The PPE have played a AA schedule yet they have more wins/ games played vs the top 50 than the Vengeance ???. 

So now you are changing your statement that the Vengeance have played a top 5 schedule to a top 10 schedule when 10 of their 15 games listed are vs teams 12th-63rd. ???

I need to get a better source when I am literally using the rankings and their schedule posted as FACTS ✔✔✔. 

You have done nothing but act like a toddler covering their ears saying I can't hear you because you don't want to listen to their parents. 

LMAO, you got it bud.  If you are a triple A team worrying about Top 50 teams, you aren’t what you think you are.  You obviously are too thick headed to understand that all these teams, V included, aren’t putting their schedule on the rankings, despite being repeatedly told.  You can yell the loudest with your perversions, but once again are looking like the fool that won’t listen.  I gave you all the info you need, take it or leave it.  

13 minutes ago, Big Earn said:

Haha, That V team has played 2 teams all year that are below top 25, all other games are top 15.  Multiple wins against Fury, Cesars, Honeybaked, TI, OJG, “Spring” Gulls team, etc. Comparing this V team to PPE, Mt Lebo, or any other local team is laughable.  PPE has played a AA schedule at best.  Ask anyone up there if they are happy about their schedule.  Mt Lebo and other locals are playing a PAHL schedule.  Your kids team can play top 50, this V team has played a top 10 schedule.  As mentioned days ago, your facts are wrong, you need to get a better source.  

Also, if you want more FACTS, there was a big showcase in Tampa this past weekend, you wouldn’t know that since AA teams weren’t there.  Anyway, HB was there, notice how they only listed one game?  They played 5 btw.  Mid Fairfield was there also, they played 5 games and listed 2. Cesars was there, they won the tournament, only listed 2 games played.....you get my point here. I can list the other top teams also, and their full 5 games played aren’t on MHR either.  

33 minutes ago, Pucks11 said:

No beef I have said before that they are a great team but don't TALK about being a top 5 team unless you are going to prove it. What makes them a top 5 team if the record they show has them 0-4-1 against top 10 teams, 5-5-3 vs teams in the top 50??? 

The Pens are 14-4-5 vs top 50 teams so by your standards if the Vengeance are top 5 with  5-5-3 record vs top 50 then the Pens are easily top 3, right???

Mt Lebanon is 1-1-1 vs teams in the top 50 so they SHOULD be where in your eyes??

Esmark is 2-7 vs teams in the top 50 as a first year mutt team, where should they be??

Michigan and Illinois have 2 teams each ranked higher than the Vengeance and played just as many or more games. They don't seem to scared to list their games. ?

I am merely stating FACTS while you just go off the rails. 

Just because you yell louder,  it doesn't make you right. 

Haha, That V team has played 2 teams all year that are below top 25, all other games are top 15.  Multiple wins against Fury, Cesars, Honeybaked, TI, OJG, “Spring” Gulls team, etc. Comparing this V team to PPE, Mt Lebo, or any other local team is laughable.  PPE has played a AA schedule at best.  Ask anyone up there if they are happy about their schedule.  Mt Lebo and other locals are playing a PAHL schedule.  Your kids team can play top 50, this V team has played a top 10 schedule.  As mentioned days ago, your facts are wrong, you need to get a better source.  

42 minutes ago, HereWithPopcorn said:

Let's get this topic back to reality.  You are arguing over the ranking of a PeeWee team where there is no existence of a National Championship at that level.  So arguing whether a team is #1, #5 or #50 is pointless because at the end of the day, it means squat.

Argue about it in two years when this birth year is Bantam Major and can actually compete for something that is tangible and not arbitrary.

Aren’t you here with popcorn?  Title doesn’t make much sense if you are going to try to shut down the topics.....

10 hours ago, Pucks11 said:

You guys have played 26 games vs teams in the top 10 but only 5 of the 15 games listed are vs top 10 teams and you are 0-4-1. So you have at least 21 games that are not listed vs teams in the top 10 plus others maybe. 

Don't talk about being in the top 5 if you are barely in the top 10. 

You again?  What’s your beef with this team??  Since you know everything about the 08 Vengeance, do you also know teams out of MI, IL, etc have been playing non-sanctioned games?  Maybe that’s why you don’t see the full slate of games listed on this teams page, ever think of that ??  Take a look at the rankings, you of course already have, and you’ll see that all teams are missing games.  This is a top 5 team, nothing to debate.  What’s your kids team ranked? Maybe we should dissect their schedule......

6 minutes ago, ctil20 said:

I’ve been around for a while and just know what’s what. You will have to take my word for it. Didn’t want to get involved with the Vengeance/Pens debate.... but this subject seems to come up ad nauseum with Vengeance people. Giving a little hard core but factual feedback. 
 

again... 08 group is great. Coach and kids deserve all credit they get. 

This debate is certainly tiresome, my only gripe is people who aren’t apart of organizations that take to message boards, anonymously, and spew garbage. Certainly not suggesting this of you, ctil20, but others on this site.  

7 minutes ago, ctil20 said:

The rankings aren’t even worth paying attention to this year for AAA. There are more than a few programs trying to fly under the radar by not reporting scores due to their states COVID protocols. I’m sure some don’t want to hear that. You see your kids team a top others and want that validation, especially if it’s another local team your squad is ahead of. I’m painting with a broad brush across most birth years, and this is not a shot at the Vengeance 08’s. They are obviously the deeper group. In a regular season, they would be ranked high(er).

As far as the vengeance being the new hornets. This is clown talk from a vengeance parent. The Vengeance mission statement may as well be “look at us, we are better than the pens, we do x and o and we do it the right way, we are different, look at us”. 

That program is the most insecure program in youth hockey. I’ve watched livebarn across hundreds of rinks, I have never seen one completely locked down like Alpha is, due to Vengeance. 

There are also portions of that program that can be bought and sold with the worst of them. There are portions that aren’t on the up and up. Keyword portions. They have good people involved to, but things aren’t very cohesive across the board. 
 

Danner could probably weigh in on this better than I could. But everyone is tired of hearing the Vengeance talk about the Vengeance. 
 

 

 

Since this is a discussion board and we like to ask questions, ctil20, are you speaking from experience or through the lure of hockey hearsay like pucks11?  

33 minutes ago, Pucks11 said:

What class? There are still games that he didn't list and to answer your statement they went as far accusing one of the referees (who has 00 reasons to lie about it) of turning their losses in and were mad about it. 

There was no coming around to the Vengeance being the best local team at all I have stated that from the start. 

You have literally stated 0000000 facts. 

Go take another steroid shot buddy, we can see the veins popping out of your head. You sound like you were holding your weiner so hard waiting to post that class was closed so you could blast a load on your keyboard. 

Who’s “he”?  

Looks like your panties are in a bunch ?.....calm down pal, that last line is ridiculous and discredits you as a youth hockey know it all.