sadday4hockey

7 hours ago, Pa Hockey said:

Crowd at the Well Fargo Game between Holy Ghost and Malvern Prep - 11/172021 

Right, that's it. The "crowd" is 2 sections. And that's the issue. They can't make enough money to justify it. They used to do it..... and then the $ became far more important than the game or the players or the fans.

So, with all of the effort that has been put forth for this to happen is it safe to assume that the recent news of the Penguins sale was an impulse move?

It seems like Burkle and 66 must have been sitting there recently and said to each other....... well, the team sucks right now and we can't sell tickets to anyone. Time to sell and let it be someone else's problem.

Oh..... and just to belabor another point, I guess this group will go down in history of having completely failed the very community that they promised a complete redevelopment of their neighborhood.

Priority list for the Penguins

1. Make as much money as possible by any means possible

That's it. That's the list.

That he is and it's a strong possibility that he will be shearing the beard in the spring.

3 hours ago, sutton said:

but it will 100% be all the talk

And that's the problem.

The Armstrong players were not the problem here. Poorly-parented students, adults in the stands, security, the Riverhawk board members and Coaches all have some responsibility that they failed to act upon. The players were/are to do what to satisfy you, Sutton. This is going affect them for a long time both on and off the ice. Maybe, just maybe it's time to stop the rhetoric and start the healing process? Not saying forget it and move on, saying find ways to bring the game back to together.

Sutton, I don't think anyone is treating it as eh, just Armstrong. It's just that it's a behavior that has gone on there since the 80's and possibly longer. Something definitely needs done. It will be interesting to see how it is handled at a variety of levels from the Arrows Hockey program to the School District to the PIHL and MidAm. It's difficult for me to say at what level the officials are culpable, but one thing is for sure and that is that incidents like this that will continue to cause officials to stop skating games.

This is even hard to believe for Armstrong. Every year they have multiple incidents there that make you scratch your head, but this is really BAD!!!

1 hour ago, 3 Boys said:

At least they did last year and that was one of the main reasons a lot of the 07 kids went to Esmark.

And there it is, the "fake news". They left because one of the main driving forces behind the move has an older kid there and has his deals in place. They left because a move to Esmark was going to catapult them into the top 30. Check the rankings from last year #60 to this year #64, and what do you know you are who you are. Jersey change and non-parent Coach and still the same results. You want to talk about a group who think they all have the next NHL player, that's the group.

I'm not sure how much D1 hockey schools are scouting any Jr League other than USHL and the majority of those players are already committed. They are committing players so young now (although I think they finally addressed that recently) or there are some players who develop later that they are just watching those few.

What will be interesting is to see how the many commitments of recent local players actually pan out. PE had quite a few at the 02 and 03 levels and some of those have already not panned out.

2 hours ago, forbin said:

better educated on the sport

100% but in their minds, writing the check makes them completely educated.

You think?? The CC Hockey President is also the Pens President.

There is a lot of push back from the neighborhood. One has to ask a question though, with all of the hoops that are in need of being jumped through for this, what is the reward at the end?

I agree with the concept, but there does need to be some sort gray area, doesn't there? Where the two sort of overlap each other.

Now, we're turning the burners up to high. Mid-October, people realize that their team expectations were too high coupled with parent dreams being crushed make for great theater on here.

I don't think you're following the riddle correctly. No players are involved, only politicians and activists.

12 hours ago, Danner27 said:

Extortion lol.

Led by one guy who learned from the best of the best.

30 minutes ago, nemesis8679 said:

Once you get the tender in the first place is the first obstacle. After that, performingbto the required level is up to the player. 

Exactly!! And those players aren't at that level because those "tenders" are handed out like Halloween candy to NAPHL players. That league is weak. At best.

And again, and again and again. Don't forget that every year there is a new group of starry-eyed parents whom need educated.

On 9/29/2021 at 9:27 AM, 3 Boys said:

You can easily go to their website and see where the kids got tendered.  So not sure why you are saying that Esmark doesn't move kids to the next level?

And in another week, you'll be be able to go to those teams websites which tendered each of them and see that most if not all will have been cut and looking for a place to play.

A Tender doesn't mean anything other than you don't have to pay to tryout. EVERY team in the NAHL is required to tender a specified number of NAPHL players each season. I don't know what that number is but if you look at the quality of most of the other teams in the NAPHL, it's no surprise that Esmark gets a lot of those tenders for their players. They consistently have of the top teams in the 18U age group each season.

8 hours ago, Corsi said:

Highest Ranked PAHL Teams:

'09:  SHAHA

'08:  Steel City

'07:  Allegheny

'06:  Steel City

'05:  Allegheny

Your 06 and 05 are inverted.

06 is Allegheny

05 is Steel City

You think there are disgruntled 10U parents out there already?

9 hours ago, stickboy said:

You knew the rankings come out on Wednesday; so which one of the categories are you in?

Your screen name says it all.

I assume the initial rankings will be released on Wednesday.

So at the Tier 1 level, how many?

13U and under parents will stay up all night waiting for them to be released?

How many 14U and older teams will have their seasons come crashing down? Hello Icemen? Preds? Others?

I believe it's called Capitalism.

It's this novel and now frowned upon concept of providing what the paying customer wants or needs and is willing to pay for.