Saucey

1 hour ago, powderfinger said:

I get parents are a huge problem. However, call me naive but, people claiming these coaches that got suspended for a year simply because a parent complained? Come on, I have to believe that these matters are taken seriously and that a suspension of that magnitude isn't going to be given out just because some parent doesn't like the fact their kid isn't getting playing time. 

I bet that is a commonly used defense by a coach, the parent is out to get me. Trying to discredit an accuser.

15 minutes ago, HSFBLJ said:

Can you report parents behavior in the stands to safesport?  This has nothing to do with this thread but I am curious.

The code of conduct applies to everyone. The Safesport website has answers to those questions.

34 minutes ago, Badger9192 said:

Being suspended for safe sports violations is nothing to take lightly.  Intimidation tactics, bullying and harassment of youth hockey players is unacceptable in this day and age.  From what I’ve read this isn’t a new charge against this coach.  If this truly has gone on at that school for years then shame on everyone that could’ve done something to stop it.  The school, the board and other coaches should have intervened earlier.  It’s a shame that the parents have to worry about these types of things coming from a coach who was given the responsibility of molding and teaching these young players.  Bullying by coaches, parents or other players shouldn’t be tolerated.    

Safety sport violations can follow you to court and your job as well. They are incredibly serious. As they should be. 

Checked it, really well done, ty!

1 hour ago, Lifelongbender said:

Just suggesting that posting the scoresheet would at least make it easier to understand what had happened. I tend to agree with you that the scoresheet isn't going to satisfy anyone, just make it clearer. Having been a scorekeeper MANY times for amateur games, and having stood in the penalty box and helped count shots for various PIHL scorekeepers, I understand it's a difficult situation. Personally I don't care about statistics on a piece of paper at all - I know if my own kids played well because I was watching - but it shouldn't be an issue to show the scoresheet to everyone if it at least makes the process more transparent. At any rate you can see the shot counts on the PIHL website for every game.

I guess I don't understand why most people would want to see them, but I also don't understand why it is an issue to let people see them. I get copies of them from the business managers on the teams I coach on, anyway, as Ynot02 suggested.

As a coach, you need the info to help coach. That I get. Which period are we letting up lots of shots, etc. Parents, not so much.

There isn't functionality to scan and add for most of these programs, anyway, and the programs I've used are so cumbersome, adding in shot totals, etc, as team manager was such a pain. What is being asked for these volunteer and low paying jobs keeps increasing every year. I vote we not add to the burdens.

5 hours ago, Lifelongbender said:

Paul is 100% right. PAHL games use parents to keep score, and in that case (that is, with volunteers) a bit of error is expected. In the case of PIHL games, however, they have paid scorekeepers and those games should be correctly scored. It's true that they record what the refs say regarding goals and assists, and if they correctly record an incorrect attribution there, that isn't the fault of the scorekeeper. But one would think that the point of paying scorekeepers is to ensure accuracy and fairness.

If that's the case, it shouldn't be an issue to post a scan of the scoresheet, in the interests of full transparency. (I get that this is an extra step in the process, but it's a pretty small one, and it would enable parents and coaches to review the statistics as entered into the computer. God knows there are plenty of both who think the game is rigged against their player(s).

Why does a scorekeeper getting paid entitle parents to the score sheet? Some organizations pay kids in PAHL to keep score, are they entitled to those, too? What need does a parent have for that score sheet? 

There is a certain amount of discretion in shot counting. You can't see them all and the scorekeeper gets a different view than the parent in the stand. So....when the goalie mom clicking away on her shot counter in the stands disagrees with the number on the posted score sheet, posting the actual score sheet makes everything better how? I just don't see how this makes anyone more convinced that games aren't rigged, or how this helps in the interest of 'transparency'. Those folks who think that games are rigged are going to continue to think that, regardless, and we don't really need parents obsessively following stats. Already enough obsession.

PIHL can't find enough people to do it now for that huge 20 payout per game. 

Don't the refs tell the score keepers which player gets credit?

The past two years, some of the divisions had 16 and 17 teams. Looks like the PAHL created some minor divisions to address that. My kid played in one of those divisions, and it was silly. This way, more teams can compete for a banner and the divisions are hopefully more competitive for each game. They could have chosen not to do this, and your team might have been in the named division you wanted, but it would not be better for the kids. I think it is a good thing.

2 hours ago, Ihearthockey said:

I believe Indiana lost to the Foxes who lost to the Predators.  Surprised Indiana got in there.  I guess if Lebo and Preds want to move down, that would open the door for Erie or NP2.

If it's the same group of kids my kid played against in a tournament last year, I'm not. There are some good players there. 

Gratuitous suck up to Ref23....the games I've seen have been called fine, or least with teams getting similar amounts of bad calls so the reffing is not determining the outcome.

I have not seen the new checking rule on playing the puck being applied much at all on three different rinks.

I have seen zero calls enforcing the new checking rules. Lots hitting with one hand on stick, stick in air, etc. It seemed to be disregarded.

I once had a goalie mom for the other team who was using a shot counter try to change her kid's shot number on the score sheet. I didn't even think of the crazy parents.

Having kept score quite a few times, the refs get the numbers of the players who got the assist wrong quite a bit, and not infrequently, who actually scored. We are all better off with those stats not being published. And, when team managing, I could sometimes not read the writing or nothing would be marked down.

Myhockey rankings is very good for helping set up tournaments. Some teams do what they can to manipulate their standings I think, inflate their ranking by playing a huge amount of games, not report some games, etc. I still think it works pretty well for what it was intended for.

1 hour ago, hockeyisgreat said:

The lack of information from the PIHL and PAHL is unbelievable.  I should also add the same for probably 80 percent of the organizations in the PAHL.  I don't understand why the PAHL hides all of the game info. They have the capability to give the kids recognition but choose to hide it all.  At least the PIHL shows game stats and rosters.

I have no idea why the information is not available, but do we really need the stats of kids? Why do they need 'recognition' beyond teammates and family? Privacy concerns, too. That could lead to chasing individual stats over team, and goes against the idea that this is meant to be developmental. High school is different, stakes rise a bit more then. What if it added to the unofficial recruiting we all know goes on? I just don't see the need. Who cares if you were the leading goal scorer in PAHL at age ten?

Let's not make it more serious than people already do.

Let me know when trading cards and stats of the mites are available.

Someone told me that Alpha in Harmar is icing over the dek hockey rink.

That stinks. At least there are a number of rinks pretty close to Belmont, might be able to absorb till October. Rostraver, however....?

7 hours ago, Pucks11 said:

I am pretty sure it is 1 kids from the 08 Pens Elite and MAYBE some kids from the 07 Black team.

Saw this game. NP out shot Altoona two to one. I think both teams are going to be ones to watch, obvious talent on both ends of the ice. 

21 hours ago, rock said:

yep this rule hurt a lot of teams. i just don't understand the reasoning behind it.. i could if checking was allowed in middle school, but it isn't.  its just anther gimmick for mid am to try to eliminate middle school hockey so more kids will play pahl and thus more money for somebody's pocket.. 

 

 

 

I don't know any middle school players who are only playing school hockey. I don't think that is common.

Except some of the players play both PAHL and PIHL, so then, unless you are cloning players, they wouldn't even truly be playing the team.

This is kind of a silly discussion because of its mootness, as others said. Might as well argue over who will win in a fight, Captain America or Iron Man? Each division serves different purposes and it is unnecessary to compare.

13 hours ago, one97one00 said:

Emphasis on the patience ?

Seriously though, I've enjoyed interacting with all of you. For those who are considering stepping up, I believe you'll find it as worthwhile as I did.

Thanks for all of your time!

York is an incredibly horrible venue for a tournament, one of the worst I've ever been to, and I won't go back by choice. That eliminated my interest right there. As already said, one sheet of ice makes for a rough go to hold a tourney. So many rinks around there....

Consolation games stink. Older kids don't want to stick around for those. The most lack luster games I've seen played are when neither team cares.

1 hour ago, fafa fohi said:

Go figure.......

Ya..... usually the AA teams have more talent across the board than a PIHL team who is limited to their school district. The one  former Pen parent that I spoke to, they sounded burned out and disappointed, too. Maybe school hockey won't be enough and they'll return next year. Or their kid reached the age where he is done.

More 05s exited the hockey travel scene this year. A few I heard about who were cut from Pens are just playing their school teams. Maybe next year when the Pens go to one team PAHL will pick up some more.

It's good to talk to other coaches who have gone to tournaments at your age/skill bracket. There are lots of little tournaments run by youth organizations or in support of a cause that won't appear on a list. It has been my experience that the private companies are not as interested in creating fair divisions so much as getting teams. (We have always liked Gene Harrington.) And the older they get, the less good options there seem to be because there aren't as many teams. I think it is just as good to schedule a few games with teams on your own, rather than give your money to some of these for profit private tournament companies.

4 minutes ago, aaaahockey said:

07 black

Like 05, 07 is a low birth year for some reason. 04 and 06 are huge number wise. Think they squeezed out the next birth year. Programs need to be conscious about picking teams with the next birth year, even if it means adding a team if possible. Plus a bunch of 07s went to NP this year.

11 hours ago, Questions21 said:

There are still parent coaches for almost ALL the Pens teams with 2 birth year teams. And at least 1 black team is struggling to field a team and trying to grab players that didn't even tryout. 

That stinks. Not the parent coaches, being paid or not does not equate to  good coaching imho. However, when you set teams and Pens are out there poaching, that makes for difficulties for the teams the poached kids leave behind.