NH shuts hockey down

https://www.nbcboston.com/news/coronavirus/nh-gov-sununu-to-give-coronavirus-update-3/2212577/

From the East:

Intercounty (ICSHL) Varsity opening day is January 1.  Planning to get a full season in, though maybe a few less games (12 instead of 16).  

From the East:

DVHL starts this coming weekend using their Covid-19 protocol I sent earlier.

Atlantic League started 2 weeks ago with full rosters.  All games were using 2 official system, midget moving to 4 officials next weekend.

Rinks were limited to no spectators up until this past weekend.  Most rinks allowing spectators now, with various checks or policies upon arrival.  Rinks are still pretty empty though.  No gathering allowed.  Can't leave bags laying around.  You're in and you're out.

8 hours ago, Danner27 said:

Here folks is where the science goes bad, this is how people use math to lie.
 

It doesn’t matter if you are next to a person with covid for 30 seconds or 3 hours, it only matters for the 2 seconds when that person sneezes or coughs! When the droplets fly!
 

now we can reverse that science to fit another narrative, let’s use this example.  4 v 4 with 9 skaters sitting on the bench. 9 more players sitting in a locker room. The kids on the bench are not sitting next to each other for more than a minute or so. The kids in the locker are sitting with each for 30 minutes not moving. 
 

this is how science and numbers are manipulated to fit narratives. 

That was the original science - droplets.  Now the science says aerosol also.  Droplets = Distance.  Aerosols = Exposure (space you are in and length of time in that space).  Not using math.  I specifically said I was not going to argue the math.  The point is you have to use different math for the different exposure types.  

I agree with your points about locker rooms vs. benches.  I've made that point before.

Using your argument about the 2 seconds when someone coughs on you is valid, hence my previous points about lining up for faceoffs.  Other youth sports (lacrosse) have eliminated faceoffs for now.  Other youth hockey leagues have also eliminated faceoffs now.

2 hours ago, BeaverFalls said:

Again, the incongruity of this whole thing is what makes people upset and skeptical. 

Here's the difference, and I am not advocating that the actual numbers are justified, just explaining the difference.  It is exposure time.

In that store, no one of those 322 is next to someone for more than a minute, with the exception of the checkout, which is a few minutes.  At a sporting event, people are next to each other for up to an  hour and a half.  

18 hours ago, aaaahockey said:

Probably too soon to react to the court decision + the stuff I was asking earlier about what to do if the season switched mid season

It says in their documents that nothing they are doing now precludes going back to "regular" format if allowed.

Update on DVHL plans, looks like we are going ahead with the 25 person limit:

DVHL has released their plan for season opening on 10/1 and added their Covid Protocol this afternoon

DVHL Return to Play

DVHL Covid Protocol

6 hours ago, aaaahockey said:

We had this conversation about this earlier and no one ever heard of USAH insurance actually ever covering anything.  Are there examples of it?

USAH insurance, for players, is a supplement for health insurance.  It would pick up something that your normal health insurance does not.  I know of 2 people that used it.  But the claims process is a pain and it is only after other insurance and $1000 deductible are met.

This is really not the insurance issue I mean.  The areas that are bigger concern are Catastrophic Injury (for players) and Liability Coverage (rinks and organizations, including coaches).   

On 9/7/2020 at 10:34 PM, aaaahockey said:

Yeah but they are going to say the same thing even if it was sanctioned.   What if a kid snaps his neck in a non-covid world?  Same rules apply. 

If your team is playing in a sanctioned event, then the USA Hockey and related insurance is in force.  If you are playing in a non-sanctioned event, then you are own for insurance coverage.  This includes players, officials, rinks and organizations.  Goes back to everything The King used to preach about USAH.

I don't think the issue is really about enforcement.  The potential issue is that once in a lifetime catastrophic injury or penalty.  Somehow it ends up in court and the governing bodies are gonna say, they were not following local rules, so we did not sanction, so we have no liability.  To most this will not matter, but to the party involved it could be a big deal.

In addition to above, play basketball (or soccer and lacrosse), preferably with good coaches.  Helps learn spacing, time and distance.

Potential thorn in the side to open sports has popped up here in the east.  6 girls on a high school cheer squad test positive.  Leads to 60 people quarantined.  Contracted when one of the girls hung out with a friend who was a field hockey player.  They were a school sponsored team at a private competition.  Not sure if the competition was in state or out of state.  The optics don't help the case for opening up sports.

Atlantic District just sent an email to all members outlining their recent efforts and asking everyone to write their legislators.  Here is the link to their online letter generator: https://act.newmode.net/action/atlantic-amateur-hockey-association/write-your-legislators

I don't think it accomplishes anything other than making it look like the sponsors are doing something.  I don't see it specifically overriding the emergency declaration.  More smoke and mirrors.

42 minutes ago, Scooby Doo said:

This is shocking but NOT surprising

This Week CDC Quietly Updated COVID-19 Numbers – Only 9,210 Americans Died From COVID-19 Alone – Rest Had Other Other Serious Illnesses

further proof that we’ve all been duped and the liberals continue to lock down their states unnecessarily.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/shock-report-week-cdc-quietly-updated-covid-19-numbers-9210-americans-died-covid-19-alone-rest-serious-illnesses/

 

It has always been the position that people with other health issues are most of the deaths and we all know that it is mostly older people; why.... because they have other health issues.

36 minutes ago, Scooby Doo said:

Another not surprising headline

New Study Argues COVID Herd Immunity May Have Already Been Reached in Some Regions of US

https://www.westernjournal.com/new-study-argues-covid-herd-immunity-may-already-reached-regions-us/
 

this is the PRIMARY reason we should have never locked down in the first place.  Humans have survived viruses for the 200,000 years that they’ve been on earth.  Until this year we’ve never tried to resist herd immunity until our states were shut down and we were forced into self quarantine which is opposite and holds back herd immunity 

From the article:

“This means we need to be careful about declaring the epidemic over in a given location simply because cases have started to decline,” Justin Lessler, an associate professor of epidemiology at the Johns Hopkins University School of Public Health, wrote in an Op-Ed in The Washington Post on Friday.

“What may be adequate immunity to stem the virus in summer may not be enough to stop epidemic spread in the winter — a phenomenon seen in each of the four modern influenza pandemics, where an initial summer wave quickly receded only to be followed by a large epidemic in the fall or winter.”

And the concept of Super Spreader was dismissed weeks ago.  The issue is super spreader events, not individuals.

From the East (District 1):  Suburban One is playing and Central League is postponing.

SUBURBAN ONE LEAGUE PRESS RELEASE – DOYLESTOWN, PA – FRIDAY, August 28, 2020

The Suburban One League Executive Board voted this morning to approve Fall Sports in accordance with the delayed start proposal recommended by the Executive Committee on August 5, 2020. Under the approved plan, sports classified as Low/Moderate Risk which include Golf, Girls' Tennis, Girls’ and Boys’ Cross Country, Water Polo, Girls' and Boys' Soccer, Field Hockey, and Girls' Volleyball can have their first regular season contest as follows: Golf - September 3, 2020, Girls’ Tennis - September 8, 2020 and all other Low/Moderate Risk sports on September 21, 2020. The High-Risk Fall Sport (Football) can begin competition on October 2, 2020.

1 hour ago, hockeyisgreat said:

You are 100% right. Let Parents be responsible for their kids.  Not politicians with an agenda!  Wait till January. I still want to know what will be different then?

Maybe nothing, in which case the restrictions may continue.  He didn't say we can play with no restrictions on January 1st, he said the current restrictions should stay in place until January 1st.

In the East, DVHL has pushed the start date to Oct.  3.  Looks like NJYHL did the same.  AYHL does not have any games showing n their site yet.  In all cases, practices are occurring and there are a handful of non-league games being scheduled as of right now.

Silver sticks regionals are still listed to take place starting Sep 11, though not many teams are registered and the main Silver Sticks is not happening as of right now.

How about the District Safe Sport coordinator:

https://www.midamhockey.com/page/show/5022966-safesport

Is it approved for use by Hockey Canada or USA Hockey?

1 hour ago, hockeyisgreat said:

Looks like the lesson was learned by the fact that the numbers are coming down now. Hardly Selfishness on my part. The only selfishness is that I appreciate the fact that I am free to make my own choices. To listen to the facts and make a rational reasonable decision. I'm hardly a "freedom fighter" but I do like to listen to all sides. Haven't been to a bar or restaurant. I assume the people that did go knew the risks. It's called freedom to chose.  Take it away and I might as well live in China or Russia. NO THANKS.

Do you think that they knew that their behavior was going to cause your kids to not be able to play hockey right now?

50 minutes ago, hockeyisgreat said:

Last time I checked this was the USA not CHINA. People in the USA value their freedom and ability to move around as they please even if sometimes it means not having as much control over this virus. Don't you think by now everyone understands the risks involved with sports, and life in general? I know you will come back with the argument that kids are going to unknowingly give it to old people.  That's where the old people maybe should assume that everyone has it.  Especially if they are high risk. I made a decision to be around my grandkids knowing they are taking more risks.  It's a personal choice. That's why I like the USA. I'm free to make it.

No they don't understand the risks.  If they did, they wouldn't sue because they stuck a knife in the toaster and electrocuted themselves, or spilled their hot coffee on themselves in the McDonalds drive through, and the don't understand the difference between walking past someone with Covid in the grocery store vs. sitting near them in restaurant for an hour and a half.

I'm trying to figure out if this was a goof on Wolf's part or a sly way to put the restriction in place without just coming out and banning it.  

In summary: The policy had been that it was up to local authorities to determine if sports could be held (i.e. county health departments, school districts, etc.).  Yesterday he hosted a long Covid-19 press conference and at the very end, in response to a question he mentions that he thinks there should not be sports until next year. No further comment or questions on it and the presser ends.  People start to realize what he said and start asking for details.  His "team" realized what he said and starts to scramble.  Five hours later they "clarify their recommendation".  Everyone is now scrambling to figure out where they stand.

My guess:  He wanted to stop sports from the beginning, but didn't want to take the heat.  So, he left it up to the local authorities.  The local authorities are busy worrying about testing, contact tracing and trying to reopen.  He doesn't like that they have not acted on sports, but still does not want to be the bad guy and simply update his policy.  So, either unconsciously or on purpose mentions his thoughts at the end of the presser.  Now he is hoping that the local authorities will ban sports, which is his desire.  But, if they do it he won't take the heat.

In the end, as I have said before, it does not matter what the PIAA, USAH, MidAM, Atlantic District, PIHL, ICSHL or any other league says.  Wolf has the final say.  This is just politics at this point.  He should step up and make a determination get out of the way.  

OneHockey is hosting a large tournament in West Chester this weekend at this end of the state.  We'll see how it goes.

The big problem for Pitt, or any university,  is if you add NCAA hockey, you have to cut some other men's sport or add another comparable women's sport.    Title IX.