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Thank you Bill. Totally missed that when looking at that pages. Just doing a really quick comparison to a couple eastern pa teams at 14U, PPE is over $1000 more per person. Will dig a little deeper when I have the time.

Thanks Fafa. If there was no NC, any idea what the price would be?

What is the cost for their program? Is it that much more than other T1 teams?

To make it easier: Garnet Valley North Penn Seneca Valley

There is no Flyers Cup D2. The ICSHL has a D2 division. They are made up of struggling programs that are mostly non-pure. Any non-pure team has to play in the AAA Flyers Cup division. Pope John Patriots (combination of Pope John Paul and Archbishop Carroll) won the conference title. They were not invited to the Flyers Cup. https://www.icshl.org/page/show/8023730-d2

THIS!

Yup, part of USAH coaching certification and Safesport training. Don't have to be in the locker room, but it does have to be monitored.

Not used during the regular season at any youth level? Not even T1 midgets?

What ref doesn't like the 4 man system?

The east does have a D2 league. It is meant to be developmental - teams that are trying to build programs or keep programs alive. Gives the kids a place to play for their school(s). Some of the teams are mixed schools, some are not. They are not eligible to play in the Flyers Cup. https://www.icshl.org/page/show/8023730-d2 There are unpure teams playing in the "regular" leagues (ICSHL and SHSHL). They play for their regular league championships, but if they want to play in the Flyers Cup, they have to play for the AAA divisions against the likes of Malvern, LaSalle, etc. Perkiomen Valley did it this year and was beat in the first round by LaSalle. If they were pure, they would have played AA I believe.

Seems to match up with teams in the AHF on in the East, just under $4000: https://www.teamphl.org/structure

The back referee is the exact person to make that call. That is why they are there. There is no way the low official could have seen the spear through the crowd. Again, doesn't matter what the intent was. USA Hockey is very clear on it. Any spearing motion is 5+GM at a minimum. Not exactly sure who that official was, but I am familiar with the process for assigning those officials. They are all very experienced.

Just watched it on YouTube. Absolutely a Spear after the whistle. Penalty options are 5+GM or Match.

Out of curiosity and for comparison, I looked at how the Atlantic District handles the dual-rostering: "(3) Dual Rostering. Players may only appear on a USA Hockey roster with one Association during the season (August 1 – end of USA Hockey National Tournament) with the following exceptions: (a) Junior team as allowed by USA Hockey Affiliated player rule (b) AAHA recognized scholastic team (c) AAHA recognized house league (d) AAHA Affiliate sponsored teams (e) Female players may appear on a youth and girls roster with the same or different Associations. (5) Girls Tier I Rostering. (a) AAHA Tier I and Tier II 14U teams – No underaged players permitted to play up to 14U. (b) AAHA Tier I 16U teams – Maximum of two (2) second year 14U players may play up at 16U. First year players are not permitted to play up. (c) AAHA Tier I 19U teams – Unlimited second year 16U players may play up to 19U. First year players are not permitted to play up. (d) Tier II USAH girls registered teams at 16U and 19U will not be subject to restrictions on the number of players playing up in age classification, however, it is recommended that they play within their age group. Affiliate ADM policies, rules and regulations supersedes this rule.

BB uses their Krach system to schedule the AHF. I have worked a half dozen of their games in the last couple of weeks. All but one was a running clock (5 goal differential). In half of them the running clock started near the beginning of the second period. So, not sure that system is any better at matching teams. For any system to work, you need lots of data spread across the entirety of the group you are trying to rank. That's why the MHR ranking gets better as the season goes on. The points made about teams playing only within their area/pod definitely hurts the accuracy of the system.

No, that is not right. Nothing is in stone until a letter of intent is signed and these days even those are dubious. If you verbal early, other schools may not want to talk to you. IT is also not unusual for a student to make a verbal, hoping that will stir some interest.

f you really want to access it (the beauty of the Internet archive): https://web.archive.org/web/20230202020740/https://www.pihoref.com/

Yeah, but PAHL and BB are the problems... Nope, parents are the problem and BB is filling their needs.

Actually, Perk Valley played in the AAA Flyers Cup this year because they were not pure but were strong enough to compete (i.e. they had 2 players from another school district that did not have a team). I don't think they played any AAA teams during the regular season. The other thing to note is that teams here in the East are not in leagues broken down by AAA/AA/A, at least in the Inter-County. For the most part they are broken into conferences that are based on their PIAA leagues, regardless of school size. For example, ChesMont is the West Chester schools, the Downingtown schools, Unionville and Avon Grove. Some of those schools are A and some are AA. They play each other, as well as non-conference games. Then they get placed for Flyers Cup based on their AA or A size.

Put another way... AAA is open boundary schools (i.e. private and parochial schools where students do not have to live in a specific area to attend) AA and A are public schools districts where you have to live in the school district and attend the public school. The split between AA and A is based on male student enrollment, just like the PIAA uses.

You can follow it directly at the following link: https://www.flyers-cup.org/

Peter, took a quick look at PIAA. If this kid was a freshman, it looks like he would be eligible. It is a bit murky, because it doesn't specify that the middle/junior high needs to be within district, but doesn't rule that out. It's considered a Natural Break Transfer: "Promotion from a junior high/middle school to a senior high school is considered a Transfer between schools. A student, who has made a Natural Break Transfer and who has not previously participated on a different senior high school Team in any sport, is presumptively eligible immediately for interscholastic athletics." I realize this is not a PIAA sport, but if this were to go before a judge I would think he/she would consider how the PIAA would look at this.

My wager: Judge says, why didn't you catch this sooner. You let him play 10 games and they thought he was eligible. Those games are good. He's now ineligible, so he can no longer play. Team move on without him. Hypothetical: Let's say that this did not get brought up now and Montour went all the way through to states. When the East reviews the rosters and finds the kid ineligible, they bring it up, kid is ruled ineligible. Would the team still be allowed to play? I have a feeling they would. Maybe PA Hockey can shed some light on what would happen here or what has happened in the past in this situation.

I have not been around enough to have any of that "common knowledge", that is why I asked. Just looking for points of comparison.

Any numbers to match up to the numbers you posted for PPE?