BeaverFalls

4 hours ago, GrumpyOldPucker said:

Half ice is only good for close area and skills drills, and working on O\D zone specific position\plays\schemes  You cannot teach a 200 foot game in 100 feet..... No way to learn a breakout with an explosive acceleration out of the D zone and full speed transition through the neutral all the way to the net second nature.

USA hockey doesn’t even acknowledge half of the game. 

Tryout and be good enough to be part of the top 20-25?

5 hours ago, tyburket said:

Anyone remember the Mid-State Mustangs? The organization is once again on the rise and the younger birth-year teams are going back to the split season approach rather than playing in a league. The organization is adding some big pieces in coaching and development. Defiantly something to check out if you are unsure about next year. Their tryouts are in a week or two. 

Who are the big coaching pieces?

13 minutes ago, BeaverFalls said:

Can you elaborate on the choice they play for part?  I’m just trying to figure it out in the state. Thanks!

Shouldn’t the eastern part of the state be basically open class based on that?

You should share the team. The league. The coaches’ backgrounds and the cost. 

Is that only for 10 & 12u?  

Neither SF or Armstrong are that good tbh. I’m sure this will catch a lot of butthurt responses but they won’t be good enough to compete for a state title. 

Just stay away from Mon Valley, Cambria, Johnstown, Altoona and State College. Usually the biggest clownshows come from there. Inter-city within Pittsburgh you should be alright. 

7 hours ago, Pa Hockey said:

All Schools play under the same rules. The Alignment for Flyers Cup is Private Schools play AAA and AA (700 + PIAA) and A (700 - PIAA) is based on Enrollment. PIHL uses competitive formula. 

All Players Eligibility is by choice to play or not for the school they attend

 

Can you elaborate on the choice they play for part?  I’m just trying to figure it out in the state. Thanks!

Can you share with us the rules differences between the two sides of the state?  I had heard the Eastern side has a distinct advantage in eligibility and player pool. 

8 hours ago, Saucey said:

Yes and you have to have a HS program cool with that. Quite frankly, you aren't really supporting a high school team if you are missing games to go to a practice. 

I agree. But I also don’t know of too many HS programs that will turn their nose up to having a AAA player on their roster. Not saying it’s right.

8 hours ago, Overqualified said:

 In the past you had to sign a agreement not to play high school hockey 

Name one player from PPE that plays high school 

Possibly in the past. Not true now unless they’re playing without “permission”. Can’t share names here nor would I want to but it wouldn’t be too hard to compare rosters. 

Just now, Overqualified said:

The semi and final should be at PPG downtown 

The rink paided by our taxes dollars 

Pens elite players not allowed to play high school 

What do the pens do for high school hockey 

Nothing 

Not entirely true for PPE players. My understanding is they can’t play HS and miss PPE practices and games but can still play HS.  
 

Now whether or not they would want to us a different story.  I think some of these programs to include even some tier II programs are playing 60-90 games plus practices, with most weekends being 3-5 games in 2-3 days.  That’s an insane amount imho- but if that’s what people want to do, more power to them. I just don’t think for overall development it’s the best nor should people feel compelled to. The body and mind can only take so much. 

I don’t want anyone here to miss their opportunity for their kids to play AAA mite. 

The lowest game total on McCort’s roster I believe is 14. That’s not a mistake. 10. Would be a mistake. Repeatedly doing it is negligence. Paid representatives of the league enter this information as league representatives. Unless you’re telling me the job description is to do little more than pure data entry?  No.  Note paragraph 11 below  

So yes. We can all applaud Latrobe moving forward. With about 3 days to scramble to find ice and prep for the next opponent. Does the responsibility of the action fall on McCort?  Absolutely. Does the responsibility of facilitating the league and playoffs fall in PIHL?  I guess not?

We shouldn’t just say oopsie and “boys will be boys” and keep making the same mistakes over again. That’s insulting to those paying for it and to those trying to make some legitimacy to local hockey.
 

My overarching point is McCort should be held accountable.  The responsible league reps should be held accountable.  Those who supervise the league reps should be accountable.  Finally those who are entrusted with the total operation of the league should be held accountable.  Or not and just keep doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result  

To be clear, I am not absolving responsibility in any way shape or form in McCort. 
 

What I am asking is, what did the league do in the timeframe from the last day of the regular season with the information they received?  Just use it as a coaster for a coffee mug?  The whole league looks bad that this wasn’t reviewed or caught by the league before the game was played. So what else is being missed?

Wrong topic

31 minutes ago, Puck01 said:

PIHL has no fault or responsibility. They are one of the best run organizations in all of youth hockey in the State of PA in my opinion. They post all rules on their website along with have monthly meetings with all School teams. It's the team's responsibility to follow the rules. While I do not agree with some of the rules it doesn't matter, they are clear. It is the team playing the other team's responsibility if they are not following them to challenge them through the process given. At that point PIHL responsibility is to resolve the matter through there rules & follow the penalties provided. PIHL = BI LAWS, HS TEAM = FOLLOW BI LAWS, HS TEAM BREAKS BI LAWS = OPPONENT RESPOSIBLE TO CHALLENGE BI LAW, PIHL = DECIDE PUNISHMENT PER GUILDINES POSTED. Let's let process not opinion drive the topic. Montour & BM made mistakes & PIHL followed the BI laws. Montour defending themselves should not be taken personal. The process played out & now it's over. Personal attacks do nothing productive but cause 700 replies'....

Maybe it’s an unreasonable expectation that an organization who his paid by its participants and member organizations to facilitate a league actually provides that service and enforces its rules and bylaws, oh maybe before the fact, not after. Had this not somehow been caught, it never would’ve been known.
 

The second and third order plus effects of this goes beyond a forfeit of a single game. 

All I’m saying is the league owns a lot of this for not monitoring this game by game and allowing the waste of time of a playoff game to even be played that had to be forfeited. 
 

ALOT of money goes into allegedly doing what wasn’t done. You all are paying for it that has kids in the league. You’d think there would be some more calls for accountability from the league here on this one as well as the school. 

1 hour ago, Lucky17 said:

Verified means checking scoresheets, they put kids on the scoresheets who did not play so that effort would not catch this.  Would need to be caught on game day.

What I mean is they should know who is eligible to play and who isn’t before game one of the playoffs. You do in midam. You do in any other respectable league. 
 

Besides. Who entered it into the Pihl website that they had enough games?    Teams don’t do that themselves and every player on the team showed over 10 games. 
 

Sounds like the league DOES have some culpability in this. 

Shouldn’t PIHL have already vetted playoff rosters before they even started?

I’ll bet my paycheck that none of this will matter come this time next year. 

Ah great. Now it’s time for the faux high school hockey discussion. 

Fair warning. If the weather turns or a game gets cancelled for other reasons, it’s rarely updated. 

8 hours ago, Saucey said:

It gets old. Scroll through two people just insulting each other....more insults...two people acting Insane about kids hockey...oh, a nugget of something worth thinking about....more insults....we can do better. 

This board is better than Michigan's, however.

This board has basically turned into “which AAA team is faux today.”  Time and place for that?  Yes. But it’s getting pretty stale. It’s expected though. That’s the self created pinnacle of these people’s existence when it comes to living through their kids.