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2 hours ago, HereWithPopcorn said:
Yep. Look at the rankings.
18u PPE is pretty bad this year. They dropped even more since I posted the mid season standings. I know they lost a handful of good 02s to juniors but They've got some kids that make you scratch your head (in a bad way)
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7 hours ago, lferg said:
12U (2007/2008) - Pitt area Tier 1 standing.
I should have probably exclude some of the PAHL teams from the list. But since their ranking is higher than some Tier 1 teams, left them in. Not exactly sure if the ranking comparable between tiers.
Team Division/Tier MHR - 27-Nov
Pittsburgh Penguins Elite (Hannan) 07 AAA (PA) 07 - Tier 1 97.37
Pittsburgh Penguins Elite (Conway) 08 AAA (PA) 08 - Tier 1 92.59
Pittsburgh Vengeance 08 AAA (PA) 08 - Tier 1 91.23
SOUTH HILLS 324 12U AA 90.57
Pittsburgh Penguins Elite (Stern) 07 AAA (PA) 07 - Tier 1 89.58
NORTH PGH 456 12U AA 88.91
ALLEGHENY 236 12U AA 88.79
FOXES 273 12U AA 88.07
ERIE 502 12U A Major Black 87.50
HUSKIES 351 12U AA 87.40
Pittsburgh Penguins Elite (Nelson) 08 AAA (PA) 08 - Tier 1 87.18I don’t think you understand the intent of the original post.
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12u doesn’t play for nationals. I posted the age groups that do. the top 6 in the mid am district make the district tournament, the winner goes to the national tournament with the other district winners in the country.
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Since we are past the half way point of the season, current mid am district tier1 standings 15u-18u
18U
1 Esmark Stars 96.40
2 Gilmour Prep 96.30
3 Culver Prep 95.72
4 PPE 95.11
5 Ohio Blue Jackets 94.78
6 Indy Jr Fuel 93.82
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7 Cleveland Barons 93.72
8 Pittsburgh Predators 92.00
9 Tri State Spartans 91.63
16U
1 PPE 98.39
2 Culver Prep 95.58
3 Esmark Stars 94.86
4 Sylvania North Stars 94.36
5 Pittsburgh Predators 94.11
6 Ohio Blue Jackets 93.40
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7 Cleveland Barons 93.20
8 Tri State Spartans 93.00
9 Indy Jr Fuel 91.54
10 Pittsburgh Icemen 90.22
11 Gilmour Academy 88.19
15U
1 PPE 97.24
2 Ohio Blue Jackets 94.96
3 Cleveland Barons 92.73
4 Mt Lebanon Hornets 92.07
5 Tri State Spartans 91.49
6 Esmark Stars 90.91
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7 Indy Jr Fuel 90.12
8 Pittsburgh Predators 90.07
9 Sylvania North Stars 89.33
10 Team Ohio 89.12
11 Cleveland Wildcats 88.21
12 Pittsburgh Icemen 86.8
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1 hour ago, anon said:
- No, he plays for a national division team in the USPHL. They called it HP at our rink. The rink also has a NCDC team which the coach said that he was not strong enough yet, and so I believe another year of U18 would be the best option. We currently are looking around the U.S. for good U18 teams.
- Second of all, I am asking because there seems to be a trend that Pens have the best U16 team and Esmark has the best U18 team since 2017-2018 on myhockeyrankings. I was asking to see if there was some sort of turnover or anything at Pens Elite during U18.
Not here to cause drama, just here to ask a question
If this truly is the case I apologize. Still not sure but to answer your question, after U16 PPE loses most of its top players to prep school, ushl or the nahl. This is why U18 esmark is normally stronger.
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8 hours ago, The King said:
Ah no dummy. You clearly are being fed some bad info from a person who is your “friend” and are just trying to do what most people do on here and pile on a “hack coach” that cut your kid. I know where your kid plays. He’s at the last resort. But don’t worry. Please keep posting because it’s making a lot of things much easier to figure out.
You forgot the s as in friends aka half the parents I know at WA. Sorry to say the info can’t be that bad the guy got a year! All 18U hockey is the last stop “resort”, My son is off to college next year (not pay to play juniors) Enjoy the suspension!!!!!!!!!!!
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44 minutes ago, The King said:
Another expert. This one claims they have their thumb on the pulse of the local “high level” hockey scene but has no idea hp stands for High Performance. To explain what that means would be a total waste of time. Let me ask you, if all these programs are so bad and wastes of money, why did your kid try out at them all? Now he’s back at the high school. Guess he’s gracing them with his presence. Also, before you start spreading rumors on message boards, or suggest you read up on liable and defamation of character laws. Wouldn’t want to be named in a civil suit, junior.
I assumed it was “high performance” but high performance term is only used in the NAPHL that I am aware of. If that’s the case this person should be very familiar with esmark. This person is claiming to be from the East so we are not talking about the HPHL.
I guess you haven’t paid much attention. Just like @OrrWhat its very obvious my son plays at the preds. Yes he plays hs.
LMFAO are you trying to say some hack coach that got a year suspension can hit me with a civil suit ? Dream on.
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11 minutes ago, anon said:
We come from the east from a HP U18 Tier 1 team and he is looking for 2nd year U18 options. We do understand PPE is better, but Esmark is way far ahead in U18.
Still not buying it. At that age, parents know what most programs around the country are about. Like the guy said above at 16 & 18 PPE is top regardless of ranking, after that esmark gets the next best batch of kids. It’s just the way it is. Still doubting your story completely. What’s hp ?
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Talked to some West Allegheny friends last night during their montour game, now that this story is out in the open and over some of the parents talked freely about what happened. I Just wanted to bump this up top so this guy is never around kids again. A one year suspension was letting him off easy in my opinion. For those here that were trying to defend this guy, you are nuts! I now understand your selfish reasoning a little. Just a little! This guy was either a great salesman or preyed on uneducated parents trying to follow the college hockey dream. This coach has ZERO experience coaching high level hockey but you fools let him sucker you out of 10k each! I get you lost money and favoritism but how in the hell could you try to defend a guy that manipulated and mentally abused children ????????????? This is the kind of person NO sport needs!
Don’t come at me with “two sides to every story” bs! This man was convicted by the governing body after a 6 hour hearing! Never in my years of being involved in hockey have I ever heard of USA hockey bringing attorneys into safe sport issues!
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On 11/10/2019 at 8:26 PM, anon said:
Anyone know if Penguins Elite U18 is going to be good next year? Would it be better to play for Esmark u18 or Pens U18 next year?
Making the team is not an issue.
You are talking 9 months from now ? Geeeeezzzzz PPE is always the better choice. With that said esmark is almost always the best alternative for local AAA hockey. making either team “is not a issue” is complete bs. If that was the case you wouldn’t be asking this dumb question. It’s not like you’re a squirt major parent ? not sure what kind of crap you are trying to start.
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On 11/17/2019 at 2:30 PM, sadday4hockey said:
And one says to the other "let's get started early this year"
Classic
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3 hours ago, PAhockey said:
U15 Esmark lost all their games aswell
Unless I missed something, I don’t recall any esmark talk recently in this thread, not sure of your point here. Since you brought it up U15 esmark occupies the 6th (final seed) for the district tournament. U15Preds are a good distance behind by almost 1.5 rating points.
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2 hours ago, JustHockey said:
Dude, really ? You're bragging about a "AAA" team that is 3-16-3 and ranked 110 ? Really? You're what's wrong with Western PA hockey. Arguing like you own proprietary rights to yellow helmets. lmao. Do you hear yourself ? 3-16-3 . Come on man. Just play the AA team and settle it once and for all.
I was not bragging about anything. I ask why the yellow helmets and made a statement.
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8 hours ago, OrrWhat said:
Ohhh, you guessed it, you must be a rocket scientist! I love it when people think that they've got it all figured out.
Two things though.
1) Certain kids/families don’t need the extra A. They know that they are better off on a team that will continue to develop them. They also know that a big old handful of AA teams are better or equal to a big old handful of the teams that call themselves AAA. So no, my kid didn't want on the “top” Preds team, nor would he have accepted an offer from that team for a few different reasons. He is completely happy with his current situation. Coaches, players and families are wonderful.
2) Yep, left Icemen. (Along with a bunch of others.) Why, because they had no real plans for their team going into tryouts. The little info that we had was less practice and games from the season that just ended. They’ve played 15 games up to today. Not sure who shows up for practice or how many they have a week. I guess, HS friendly. Not for us.
Talk about reading between the lines. Struck a nerve, did I? You’ve just got to be from the Icemen or the Preds AAA team. *said in a stupid voice* Why else would you care. Bitter that we left or bitter that your AAA team ain’t doing so hot. Whateva! Dumb conversation! Cut out the faux AAA teams and Make AA Great Again. Or, leave them and just deal with it. Don’t matter to me.
Spoken like a parent that didn’t get the extra “A”. My question that you ignored - why does your AA team wear yellow helmets ? Only the preds tier 1 teams do that.
no, you guys wouldn’t beat the AAA team. There is no “rumor”, the schedule was made long ago. The 18’s did play the 16’s AAA team.
just sayin’
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2 hours ago, PAhockey said:
The AA U18 preds team was started by the U16 AA Icemen coach from last year
Correct, if you read between the lines orrwhat is a parent from that team & transition.
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17 hours ago, OrrWhat said:
“Parents paying too much.” Why do you care? To tell the truth, I used to care. No so much any more because it’s going to be what it’s going to be. These teams will always exist. Thousands more than regular PAHL teams. Maybe they get more ice, maybe a gym membership, maybe non-parent coaching, tournaments/ind game/showcases included. It all drives up the price. Maybe they don’t want to play the same local teams 4 times each during the season. Whatever the reason, who really cares? It gives people like us something to talk about. ?
I’ll agree with most of the comments above. Icemen (some, not all) really good PAHL teams. IMO, U18 shouldn’t be ranked as high as they are. BV took the real hit. Icemen exists only to bring in more money for the rink/owners.
Preds, that’s a debacle. Especially at the U18 level. Preds 405 (8 and 0 in PAHL) would beat the AAA team. (Or, they’d have a really close game) Rumor has it, AAA won’t go anywhere near the top AA team. Top AA is paying a pretty little penny. Seams that they are getting their monies worth though. Nice Hybrid PAHL team. If more of the PAHL organizations ran with this type of schedule, maybe the pseudo AAA/ind teams will just go away. While doing so, AA would gain 40-50 more top end players making the competition at that level much stronger. Just my opinion.
Look it’s a parent who’s kid did not make the preds 18 aaa team so he had to settle for the aa team. Why does your aa team wear the yellow helmets like the preds aaa teams ?
let’s take a guess here - you also came from last years icemen 02 team now you want to trash the icemen because they didn’t do aaa at 18u ? Sound about right ?
word is / rumor has it - love when people say that.
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3 hours ago, howard1 said:
I don’t have a kid playing Tier 1, how does the usphl stack up to previously mentioned leagues?
At the youth levels, as mentioned above it’s a mess. The premier junior level is like post grad high school hockey in terms of talent. The ncdc is pretty good but it’s nowhere near the NAHL.
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21 minutes ago, PAhockey said:
The point is though that none of the Icemen teams should even be playing independent
I agree, the same goes for most of the preds teams. Good tier 2 teams parents paying to much for.
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I’ve read it here before and I’ll repeat it. If the AAA team is not playing in a real league nobody is watching. Bob G wrote a article on this about a year or two ago. Independent AAA teams do not expose your player very much, if at all to the next level (high end juniors).
HPHL
NAPHL
TIER1 ELITE
those are the top 3 youth leagues in the states. PPE just left the t1el to started their own. eventually this league will be all academy & prep schools, ultimately at the top of the food chain once it grows.
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31 minutes ago, dazedandconfused said:
66 is NOT the problem. He saved hockey in this city twice, at least. He can do whatever he wants to do.
66 enabled it when his son couldn’t make the hornets. The politician has taken it to another level.
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5 hours ago, dazedandconfused said:
100% Correct. It all changed when the city's worst hockey parent had to have it his way.
People seem to forget he worked in politics before becoming a hockey parent. It’s really unfortunate what he did to that program at all birth years. It’s become his son’s vehicle along with a money making machine for the pro team. Let’s not get started how the pro team uses the building as a tax write off. They didn’t put a upmc dr office in the building for medical reasons.
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8 hours ago, Snap Shot said:
It's the same organization, became PPE in 2012 when the Penguins and Dicks Sporting Goods became involved.
It’s not the same at all!
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2 hours ago, miked said:
not exactly touting, but they do list on their website
https://www.pittsburghpenguinselite.com/page/show/2132729-boys-alumni
https://www.pittsburghpenguinselite.com/page/show/2132736-girls-alumni
but if you really want to track what happens to PPE players, the best way might be to use Elite Prospects. You can pull up a PPE team by year and click on each player and see where they ended up.
What’s amusing to me the majority of the players that “made it” played for the hornets not ppe.
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Just noticed playoffs start next, here are the brackets. Just select age group.
24th Annual Pa Hockey Scholastic Showcase
in Western Pennsylvania Youth Hockey
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This year pretty much yes. Tj in A is one of the best teams in pihl when all their players are there. AA is extremely young outside of Baldwin, Latrobe & WA. AAA has many young players.