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7 hours ago, dazedandconfused said:

The key word is PAYING!!

And paying......... and paying......... and paying

The number of games played where these teams don't get to stay in their own homes is so high.

 

Don't you know? It helps add to that NHL Experience!!

The big difference is who is paying and who is getting paid.

1 hour ago, Icebucket said:

This.

While the 2018 win (on the back of maybe he best goaltender to play PIHL hockey) was good for the program at the time, it set their coaching situation back for years.

Who was the goalie? Where is he now?

8 hours ago, Icebucket said:

There are certain lower levels refs who call head contact on any form of body contact or roughing. I've seen games where teams have received a handful of 2 and 10s for simple plays on the puck.

I get that no team should take 10 over 20 games, but if you have the same bad ref twice and he rings a team up 7 times it will have them holding their breath not to take 3 in the other 18 games.

Exactly

55 minutes ago, Hattrick Swayze said:

The more interesting side of this to me is the Team Discipline aspect of it. 10 misconduct penalties in a season results in that team being ineligible for Playoffs? The way the checking rules are called at this point you may have several teams at the 14, 16, and 18U divisions ineligible for playoffs. I think everyone is happy to see the FPP gone but taking it to another extreme of eliminating teams from playoff eligibility seems a bit extreme. I agree with the player discipline side of this but 10 misconducts for a team in a 20 game season could happen to several teams with the way the game is called anymore. The suspension rules at the end of games also gives Ref's a little bit too much power to hand out misconducts or games just to punish players and or coaches under these rules. I guess we shall see how this all plays out.

Yeah that's kind of what I meant. As I've said before, I feel the the penalty called itself is the punishment and going beyond that is unfair (intent to injure, slurs, abusing the ref, etc. is different and should get supplemental discipline for the offending player only). What I'd prefer is that if one player racks up 4 or 5 in the course of a season, the individual player should be out of the playoffs, (if not the rest of the regular season). Not the whole team. In reality, the problem usually isn't the team, it's almost always one or two players causing 90% of the problems in a given game where this is a problem. 

The way I'd handle it with the rule as it is now is if a particular player got 3, then they'd be virtually benched the rest of the season. I'm sure the orgs and parents would love that. But what else can you do? Risk a whole season, somewhat on the whims of what a ref might or might not call, because of one or two players?

4 hours ago, Icebucket said:

I think these seem fine. I don't think that PAHL really even cares all the much, they just need to have something in place to cover their asses. When that crazy mom wants to take legal action because Johnny got hurt, they can point to these rules and say they did their best to discourage players from taking misconduct level penalties.

I think it'll probably be fine, too. Maybe a bit strict.  But I think it could end up going overboard, too. We've all seen how different penalties are called or not called between PAHL and PIHL (while both are being regulated by USA Hockey), and for players playing both what goes for zero attention in a PIHL game can be easily be a misconduct in PAHL. So it's pretty easy to rack up a few "misconducts" in PAHL by delivering the same hit that's called as clean on the school team.

2 hours ago, dazedandconfused said:

So it's the Arrows rule?

Jointly with the Badgers

What's everybody's opinion on the new system of misconduct penalties? On one hand, I'm thrilled that the FPPs are gone. On the other hand, I think this new way could play out worse. For every 2 and 10 I've seen called the past few years, some were deserved and some were pretty questionable at best. Many times a borderline play early in the game that could have been let go was called for a 2 and 10 just to set the precedent- which I totally understand and have no problems with. But I can see it going two ways: 

1) refs are going to call everything, and PAHL will turn into a virtual no-contact league out of fear of being called, or

2) refs won't call anything, due to the higher stakes of teams getting misconduct penalties.

https://www.pahockey.com/discipline

Interesting as always.

Honestly I think they purposefully set the teams to be mismatched. This ensures that you don't wind up with some random A team winning the thing. 

1 hour ago, Zarg said:

Only ones I can think of are Alpha (dirty), Palmer Arena (good luck parking) and RMU Island Sports Center (3rd rink is seasonal and small). But Ice is Ice. My question is why is it so much more expensive here than other areas? We had a family with multiple kids that moved here from the Rochester area and were blown away by the cost in this region. 

They're probably playing in an area with more community-owned rinks.

On 8/5/2024 at 7:58 PM, Hockey00 said:

any truth to vengeance having an 09AAA team with A Major Goalie and mostly Icemen 09 second team from last year that was A Major Black 

I'm familiar with goalie you're talking about, for whatever reason he and his family chose playing for an A Major team playing 16u while he was 14u. He'd be fine playing on any 09 AA team and probably most of the AAA ones around here. 

As I've said before, most teams around here have kids that can play at the next step up, and for a lot of different reasons not all of them do. 

On 8/3/2024 at 1:42 PM, Icebucket said:

CM was at the top of AAA just a few years ago and now they have plummeted all the way to AA. 

"Just a few years ago" is plenty of time to graduate quite a bit of good players. If they're not replaced with similar players, or if their program hasn't attracted/built an organization that kids want to play for and eligible players decide to just stick with their travel team, then that's what happens. I'm not sure what the board or coaching situation is there, but that can always play into it.

And I wouldn't say moving from AAA to AA is "plummeting". I'd say it's getting moved down. That happens. If a team moved from A to AA, I wouldn't say that team skyrocketed to AA. Going from AAA to A in for or 5 seasons, then I'd say that's plummeting. 

14 hours ago, zam said:

Can anybody explain to me how a 5 win Erie McDowell team moves up to AA?

Don't tell me "Competitive Formula" or 3rd highest enrollment in the PIHL. Did anybody use their brain on this one??

They had a total of 5 wins against the 3 worst teams in the division, smoked by everyone else, graduate 7 seniors.

What am I missing?

No idea. McDowell struggled mightily in A, and some other teams fared far better. Yet they moved McDowell. Who knows what they're thinking.

I wonder if moving it was Alphas doing or the tournaments? 

2 hours ago, zam said:

Lucky if there are 12 AAA players per birth year in the Pittsburgh Area 

That's probably pushing it for most birth years. 

21 hours ago, YardSale said:

Well, yeah.  We don't have 6 teams worth of AAA players here

According to parents, there's like a dozen teams' worth of AAA players.

5 hours ago, James Gatz said:

There was a thread about this on the AHF Youth Hockey parents group uncensored on facebook.  The news started breaking at an AHF managers meeting a month or so ago.  I am not involved with an AHF team and was not present at any of the meetings but followed the treads out of curiosity.  According to some of the posts, if you put much weight in a facebook post, is that there is a rule (quoted below).

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11.0 Streaming and/or Recording of Games

It is illegal to video any games in the AHF.  If a player, parent, family member or friend product (or any other version of such) a video or livestream or any other broadcast production of an AHF even or game, the player can be immediately suspended or dismissed from the team, league, tournament for the remainder of the season with no refunds provided.

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Apparently there will be a $50/athlete fee for AHF teams this season for the video service.  

The comments were generally upset with the fee, wording of the rule, and threats of expulsion.  

Wow, that sounds pretty harsh and over reaching. I'd almost want to blatantly film as a visiting team with a player just playing there, and no affiliation to BB. Can't suspend your kid if he has nothing to do with BB.

And I think that 50 dollar fee is just another fee, nothing to do with the video.

5 hours ago, Lifelongbender said:

Well, it appears they realized there was another revenue stream to squeeze.

I can't speak about whether their service is any good, but I'll say this: out east they own everything and maybe this isn't an issue, but what this means for us locally is that if you are a team whose home rink is a BB rink, you'll have to have both LiveBarn and BBTV if the grandparents want to watch the games, or if, like me, you normally download all the games for review.

Or if your kid doesn't play for a Black Bear team, but plays a game in one of their rinks via PIHL or PAHL or tournament, etc. 

That said, I'm sure it's more up to date than livebarn, and they are marketing all the bells and whistles that'll be at your fingertips to get your kid a chance at the NHL... 

The only upside I see is that livebarn will need to step up it's game. But you'll still be missing games or paying for 2 services. 

I wonder what this means for the parents who set up their own livestreams? Probably will be told they aren't allowed to film.

Well, Black Bear can suck it.

https://blackbearsportsgroup.com/blackbeartv/

On 7/3/2024 at 10:45 AM, dazedandconfused said:

I do not but I would guess that you could find serial killers across pretty much any demographic if you chose to.

My actual surprise is how quickly you could rattle off former military serial killers. Hopefully, you're some sort FBI profiler or investigator.

I take the time I could be watching football, baseball, or basketball and spend it reading.

6 hours ago, dazedandconfused said:

I'll disparage a lot of things but not the military nor it's Veterans.

 

I wasn't disparaging, just stating a fact. I guess you think those people I mentioned are Great Americans, since they're veterans and stuff. 

Why a big deal he's former military? So was Charles Whitman, Jeffery Dahmer, Dennis Rader, and Gary Ridgeway. 

People act like being a veteran makes somebody a great person just by default.

3 hours ago, Lifelongbender said:

Absolutely correct.

PIHL is under USA hockey as well, though. 

Good riddance to the fair play points. Now I hope they fix offsides and icing on the powerplay

9 hours ago, Happy Hockey Fan said:

I know that there are a lot of NAHL camps to go along with the USHL camps. Can anyone tell me if an invitation only camp for an NAHL team means that an invited player may have an opportunity to make said team. Is it still a long shot? And does an invite mean you have gotten someone’s attention? Or is it just another money grab? 

Anybody with a real chance isn't waiting for an invitation-only email. Somebody will contact the player/his or her family.