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No, back to normal would be all of the 01-03 BY parents at each other’s throats but most have seemingly moved on as their kids have aged out of amateur. Those were the glory days.

Just when I was wondering when things would get back to normal, we now have a newly lit Pens / Vens bonfire. Thanks for igniting the flame throwers boys, at least things are back to normal here on this forum.

We all saw what happened several years ago with Esmark having the 06 team where they won one game and parents spent $20,000+ to fly to Nashville, etc. You can’t make a group of AA players a AAA team and then expect them to compete against top 20 teams. Posey has been recruiting for this 09 group for months. The Viper Stars 09 team there is barely A Major

The rankings aren’t even worth paying attention to this year for AAA. There are more than a few programs trying to fly under the radar by not reporting scores due to their states COVID protocols. I’m sure some don’t want to hear that. You see your kids team a top others and want that validation, especially if it’s another local team your squad is ahead of. I’m painting with a broad brush across most birth years, and this is not a shot at the Vengeance 08’s. They are obviously the deeper group. In a regular season, they would be ranked high(er). The coach and squad absolutely deserves any and all credit they get. As far as the vengeance being the new hornets. This is clown talk from a vengeance parent. The Vengeance mission statement may as well be “look at us, we are better than the pens, we do x and o and we do it the right way, we are different, look at us, our coaches played pro hockey”. That program is the most insecure program in youth hockey. I’ve watched livebarn across hundreds of rinks, I have never seen one completely locked down like Alpha is, due to Vengeance. There are also portions of that program that can be bought and sold with the worst of them. Parents with deep pockets running the show with some birth years etc. There are portions that aren’t on the up and up. Keyword portions. They have good people involved too, but things aren’t very consistent across the board. Danner could probably weigh in on this better than I could. But everyone is tired of hearing the Vengeance talk about the Vengeance. If you aspire to be the hornets, great, but you better start weeding out the turds and shadiness before you start making that claim about the program as a whole.

Pucks 11, you sound like a disgruntled parent with this post.....as it seems Jr. wasn’t able to crack the lineup for either of these teams (Jets or V)? Anyone who follows the vengeance this closely, when their kid plays for Esmark, obviously has a bit of a jealousy issue. ???