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"Nothing in fact"......that is the essence of everything you post here, bro. All you do is state opinion, not fact. Sorry I can't produce receipts but as I have said before, if there is a parent out there from a PAHL or PPE Black team, feel free to either validate my claim or dispute it. I will go slow so follow along. As an example, YTD Black 06 has had ten away tournaments so far this year. Hotel costs ( two nights, sometimes three ) plus meals, a conservative estimate of $500 OOP per tournament. 10 X $500 = $5K. This does not include tournament fees that exceed what is allocated and budgeted by the team. Coaches travel and lodging expenses for away tournaments are included in the "team fee," which is an additional cost. So depending on length of away tournaments, frequency etc I will stand by my estimate of $12K-14K per season. And if said player chooses to be part of Excel that is another $4,500 however I don't believe its required at this age. As far as your original question, I answered it long ago......you just didn't like the answer.

Fact - most PAHL teams play in 4-6 tournaments a year, covered by a mandatory team feel anywhere from $200-400, plus tuition fees of around $2,200-2,500. So, roughly $3K plus hotel costs for two away tournaments puts you around $3,500. PPE Black fees are the same as Gold fees from a tuition standpoint, around $5,500. Additional fees for tournaments and travel expenses and you end up spending between $12-14K. And if anyone with a player from a Black team cares to dispute this, please do. Mind reading? No, simply asking a parent the following - "so how much will you end up paying for a full season?" It is not that difficult and it remains the right of any parent wanting to spend what they want on youth hockey. One who agrees with you = one with "an informed position." Thanks for the laughs.

I find it comical that your posts are 100% factual and everyone else's is not ( unless they agree with you of course ). You cannot handle anyone that has a differing opinion or experience from yours. Didn't you say hundreds of times on this site none of your kids participated in WPA hockey? If that is true, all of your so-called "facts" are simply opinions based on what others told you and not from actual experiences. You can disagree with whomever you want whenever you want, that is why this is called a forum. But when someone agrees with you, you ended up praising them. When they don't, you go on a rant saying the reason for their view is because their kid wasn't good enough and got cut in the process, all the while having zero information on that persons actual experience. And to assume I am ridiculing PPE Black players with my comment is ridiculous - again you are going on an assumption of something that isn't there. Exactly what did I say that ridiculed the players? Over the 13+ years my two boys played hockey in WPA I came across many parents with kids on Black teams that looked at people that played PAHL as a second class citizen. That is a known fact, not an opinion just from me. Care to guess why PPE Black teams stopped playing games against PAHL teams? Because of the coaches and parents, not the players. Losing to an organization that pays four times less in tuition and travel fees has a negative feel to it, don't you think? You feed yourself by looking for conflict that sometimes isn't there just so you can get a reaction and look in the mirror to gaze at yourself as the know-all about WPA hockey. Sorry to burst your bubble kid, but you don't. Carry on.

Hundreds of parents with dreams of little Johnny going to the NHL getting crushed just like that.

At this age, the worst thing you can do is turn your nose up to your son playing PAHL. With the right organization and right coaches, your son will develop both from a social and hockey acumen standpoint. There's lots of anabolic parents out there that feel their kid needs to wear the extra A, don't fall into that trap. Convenience, cost and extent of travel are also things you should really consider. Plenty of years ahead to consider AAA hockey as your son develops.

Best freaking comment I’ve read in months. Well played.

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And I quote...... To your point, last year SCIR had two BY teams in AA U12. The second team should have been an A Major Black team but I assume egos with parents and coaches got in the way of reason and they were placed in AA.........they went 8-28-3. https://myhockeyrankings.com/team_info.php?y=2018&t=16939 What part of this post is untrue? Or are you one of the parents or coaches that was cool with an 8-28-3 record because of the extra A on your lapel? Facts suck sometimes but they remain facts.

Great points, and I agree the marketing of this tournament has been lackluster at best. You would think there would have more said about it since the games are at UPMC, local teams are playing teams they haven't played before and the local hotels getting a boost in business with eastern teams making the trip. Seems more interesting than a Hockeytime event with all local teams. I know MHR is only a guide however for the U14 level PAHL is well represented with some of their top teams. Don't know much about Allegheny but who knows in a tournament like this. Thanks for the comments.

For the upcoming AA East - West Challenge hosted by UPMC Feb. 7th - 9th, does anyone know how the western PA teams were selected? 16UAA - East teams with MHR# in the state - Philadelphia Genesis #1, Delco # 5, Lehigh Valley # 11 vs West teams Southpointe #6, North Pittsburgh #16 and Preds #19 14UAA - East teams with MHR# in the state - York #8, Blazers #9, Lehigh Valley #13 vs West teams Mt. Lebo #4, North Pittsburgh # 6, #27 Allegheny

To your point, last year SCIR had two BY teams in AA U12. The second team should have been an A Major Black team but I assume egos with parents and coaches got in the way of reason and they were placed in AA.........they went 8-28-3. https://myhockeyrankings.com/team_info.php?y=2018&t=16939

@RegDunlop7 makes a lot of good points that I won’t rehash here. Both of my boys played PAHL AA level with two organizations - Butler Valley and NP. Back then what was frustrating with BV was the practice schedule was a mess. It varied month by month and some practice start times were as late as 9:30pm. That’s late for a MS kid. At NP I liked that the practice schedule for weekdays was set for the entire season. And it didn’t vary month by month, so if the weekday practice slot was Tuesdays at 5:30, that never changed. It makes it easier to plan around a fixed schedule and carpool if needed. Plus, there were a decent amount of full ice practices.

Clearly your reading comprehension skills are waning, kid. Now you are backtracking and deflecting which makes zero sense. Not unlike most of your posts with typical flame throwing and insults. Now you are saying my story was made up? OK, here are some clues because he told me personally. PPE kid since inception, played U18 PPE along with senior year of PIHL and now plays juniors. You've now called me a liar about something / someone you know nothing about. Instead of accepting it you go on your rant. Facts are ugly sometimes, but they remain facts. Let it go and move on.

Where did I say the kid I referred to quit travel hockey as a senior? Thanks.

In all fairness, you are speaking from a parent POV. The fact is many kids at this age play for one team ( and sometimes not by choice ), and that one team is their school team because of the social aspect of it. Let's be real here - how many of these kids will make a living playing hockey? Sure, if Parent A has an elite level kid and wants to shell out $15K to play PPE that is their choice. I know for a fact without naming names, of a kid that played PPE Gold since its inception. Great kid, fantastic hockey player that never played in PIHL until his senior year of high school. He told me the most fun he had ever had playing the game was when he played for his school.