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This isn’t even a complete list.  Major Incidents?  What about verified SafeSport issues?  Obviously, they aren’t included.  I wonder if the PAHL puts a list together.  Bet that it’s huge.

@Saucey The pussification of America continues.  I’m not defending their actions.  I personally think they could have shaved off 6 or 7 goals.  As a coach, I’ve been on both sides.  I’ve done the “hang back” things many, many times.  But, hey, I’m not their coach.  

Maybe going back to some old school teachings will do the world some good.  Everything is happy happy joy joy!  If you want to keep living in your own bubble, go right ahead.  Who am I (a nobody) to try to stop you?

9 hours ago, Puckthat said:

The disciplinary report is posted under the sportsmanship initiative.  It clearly states what they define as proper sportsmanship and it’s not just yelling at refs, fighting and penalty minutes.  How about we raise the bar a little. 

Again, not my MO and I agree with raising the bar.  However, I’m a little tired of our kids (all of good old USA) being sissified.  They beat us by too many! Whine, whine!  The kids are in 9-12th.  The team came to a game with 8 skaters.  They lost 17-0.  Brush it off and move on.  Which they probably did until someone brought it up on here a few days ago.

What about the West Allegheny games from last season.  They blew other teams out in half of their games.  How about Pine Richland last season, they blew out a team in four of there games.  The list goes on an on.  This season, last season and every other season since the existence of sporting games. 

@Ynot02 IMO, there should be no line drawn. Maybe a discussion happens in the next BOG meeting about good sportsmanship.  Talk about the expectations of coaches, players and fans for the unwritten “don’t blowout another team rule.”  If you are a head coach, this should already be known.

I’m not in favor of running up a score.  But, a game is a game, win some lose some.  Every game builds character and a thick skin!  Which many people lack nowadays.  What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger.

2 hours ago, Puckthat said:

Bullshit - 17-0 means the coaches and the players scoring repeatedly are displaying unsportsmanlike conduct. To keep putting the top line out there only to score yet again is ridiculous.  There is no justification for it .  Here’s what you do - you sit your first line like you typically do your 4th line and play the hell out of the kids who don’t get a lot of ice time.  

We’ve all seen games that are completely mismatched but usually, there is a shift in cheering, scoring and celebrating.  It doesn’t seem that happened in this game.  Interestingly enough, the Trib named the player(s) of the week based on this game.  

https://tribhssn.triblive.com/pihl-players-of-the-week-dec-8-2019/?platform=hootsuite

Bullshit on you!  You just agreed with my entire first paragraph.  Still doesn’t constitute being on a disciplinary report of major incidents.  Nothing happen!  No threats were made.   No players fought.  Didn’t hear of any parents fighting, swearing or yelling at the coaches.  There were 2 PIM in the entire game.  My guess, the Norwin parent were probably embarrassed by the actions of their own kids and coaches.  Again, running up the score in plain stupid.  Whining about it is stupid also.

4 hours ago, PPEFAN said:

Rhetorically speaking...

How can the 18u ppe have a tryout with plenty of kids to choose from and then end up with such few kids and such a bad team (by ppe standards)? Didn’t they know or at least have an idea of the kids that would be leaving? Was it even a legitimate tryout (does such a thing even exist)? Who has benefited from this hockey disaster?

There are so many more questions to ask, eh?

They call it “Pen & Friends” for a reason!  Tryouts were a joke for that group.

Let me first say that I’m completely mind boggled with the score outcome of the Norwin game.  Personally, if I was the coach, I would have done everything in my power to make it a respectable win.  Good sportsmanship being the key.

That said, this list is a PIHL Disciplinary report of MAJOR INCIDENTS . All other points listed are serious issues.  #9 is not!  Beating another team by 17 only makes the coaches look like DB’s, the school district look bad and the players look bad.  #9 should not be on the list.  Fights, ref confrontations, coaches, parents and/or players being idiots, rowdy people in the stands etc, should be on the list.

Definitely need another angle.  Can’t tell what actually happened.  Here’s a question, why is the person recording all of the coaches movements prior to a handshake along the benches.  Their daughter her teammates are clearly not along the boards for a good bit.  Wouldn’t you think that the video would follow the players shaking hands with the other team and then follow along to the coaches.  Still seems fishy!

2 hours ago, aaaahockey said:

I agree with both of you- I also would *hope* that if a coach actually pushed down a player from the other team that the other coaches standing beside him and watching would do something about it (even if that just means removing him from the bench and reporting him) but who knows?

I was waiting for a parent to jump on here and tell us how she "deserved it" ?

You bring up a good point. If that happened and I was next to the coach that shoved, hit, push down a player, we would definitely be having words. I would at least turn towards him and say something. Most likely I would have grabbed the other coach and pushed him backwards. None of this even happened in the video. The other coaches acted normal as if it was just a handshake. Very weird!  This makes me think even more that the whole thing is a set up and lie.

Obviously, at no point should any coach touch an opposing player other than to shake their hand or fist bump them after the game. That said, I watched the video 50 times. I even enlarged it to only include the section with the handshake line against the bench. You can’t see anything that has to do with the coach pushing the child. The coaches head and shoulders turn as to wonder why the player fell down. I’m not saying it’s a lie, however, that angle of video shows nothing. Maybe they have another angle???  Nowadays, anybody can say anything and it’s going to get somebody in trouble. Whether the deed happened or not. If that’s not bad enough, add in the stupid media. Sad world we live in.

Sorry, didn’t mean to come across that way towards you.

The system is easy to institute.  Every rink and club have zero tolerance policies.  Problem is, they don’t uphold them.

I'm totally with you about people though.  I don’t sit in the stands.  Nor do I stand at the top of the bleachers with the crazy’s.  I’m the guy that says nothing and watches the game from the end glass by myself.

12 hours ago, Saucey said:

People won't be happy until they are completely banned from entering the stands. Livebarn is making that possible....drop kids off and make everyone go home. Our kids will be better off. Parents are a huge part of why I really like watching at home.

Pay $$$$ for your kid to play hockey, but can’t watch them play in person.  How about use common sense, shut your F’ing mouth, watch the game and leave happy that your kid enjoyed playing the game and that you were lucky enough to be watching them play a game that they love to play.  You like watching at home? ? On crap ass LiveBarn or is NHL TV covering your kids games?  Have at it though!

PIHL and the individual clubs have the right to weed out the bad apples.  One warning, then suspension from 3 games, then suspension for season.  Not hard!  Depending on the severity of the first offense, skip the warning!  I’d give a 3 game suspension to at least 6-8 parents from the Plum/Moon stands right off the bat.

Thread about Plum vs Moon player fights and parents being asshats in stands morphs into crybaby’s crying about two totally different teams playing a blowout game.  At least there wasn’t a bunch of asshat parents in the stands at the blowout game.  It’s Hockey! ❄️❄️❄️‘S

This site makes people dumber by the day.

7 hours ago, Ynot02 said:

PIHL hires security for all games. What I don’t know is, if a rink has more than one sheet of ice and more than one PIHL game happening at the same time, is only one security guard needed? If so, that may be the cause of the delayed security response if they are walking between both rinks. 

That would require a discount to the home teams as they technically pay for security to be there from the fees they pay PIHL yearly.  We all know that ain’t happening.  Each game should require a single officer.

What a debacle!  I place all of the blame on the players.  Not the refs, not the coaches.  As for security, they/he should have been in the middle of both sets of bleachers so that if something did occur, he was in a good position to help deescalate.  They should be it that spot at the end of every game.  Agree also that coaches stay on bench, security stays in stands and parents shut their F’ing mouths and not step foot towards any player, especially on the ice.  As for the match penalty, I agree with that also.  The player ripped the other players helmet off.  My question is, why a holding penalty.  How can you call holding when the game is over.  The penalty for this particular player should have been 5 for fighting and a match for fighting.  

Pretty sure that there was an entire thread about it last Feb or March 2019.

3 hours ago, Saucey said:

Actually, I was kind of thinking why not go to the source instead of whining, complaining, and being an a** on here. My bad.

Funny, the conversation still goes on.  Just questions.  Guess nobody knows the answers.  Opp, guess I’m whining with a question. ?

20 hours ago, Saucey said:

Why don't you contact someone on the Board in PAHL instead of randomly asking this board if you really need to know?

So what you’re really saying is: don’t come on here unless you are whining, complaining, cutting up on somebody, starting trouble, or just plain being an ass.

I didn’t want to bother anybody on the PAHL board if I didn’t have to. I figured somebody on here would have more information than what was provided above.

Sorry, my bad!

Still no solid info.  Does anyone have the PAHL info email?  What am I missing from TravelChamps.com?  Can’t find crap on there.

I can’t find any information at all. when can you find it? Do they have it for the U16 and U18 levels?

Anybody have any info on this?  What age groups, location, etc.

DB ! ☝️☝️☝️

@Snap Shot Agree 100%, except for one word. Population! Sometimes it’s because of the population, sometimes it’s Popularity.  Let’s pick the Renegades and the Vipers.  Population, similar. They both fight for some of the same people. However, the Renegades are double (or more) the size of the Vipers.  Yes, the Vipers have a few Viper Stars teams.  But, even some of those teams have a wide skill range.

7 minutes ago, Ihearthockey said:

During tryouts, when you see a kid placed in an A minor team of one organization and make the AA team of another organization, you have to think something is amiss.  

That usually happens when the kid makes team number 3 of 4/5 at a large club and team number 1 of 2 at a small club.  Usually, the smaller clubs teams have a wider skill range.  Top team might have AA to low A+ players.  Bottom team, A- and B players.  Larger clubs the skill range is much closer.

☝️☝️☝️ What he said!

7 minutes ago, Jack Handey said:

It's also true that some people who know about MHR will manipulate ratings.  

How? Not that I don’t believe you, I just don’t see a way.  You win or you lose. The score is the score.  If a score or a game isn’t entered, it can be.  If a score or game was entered incorrectly, it can be changed.