Wampa1

1 hour ago, Canweallgetalong said:

Player for player . Just not deep enough.but top 6 could play with anyone and in any division and be well represented in stats and head to head .if you know the kids there as good as what's out there . I know it's debatable but will just agree to disagree and all get along with our life's work . Have a great day

That's great but here's another question, how many of those 6 players you are referring to actually go to Burrell?

25 minutes ago, Rico said:

Well I think you can come here and talk some s***... every now and again have productive convo, voice your concerns or the reality you know... without fear that anyone from organizations cares enough to ostracize you. Org’s know things aren’t perfect. 

I think the declining participation is more a result of the fact that this board has turned into just constant whining about what PPE is up to...  from people seemingly outside the program. 

 

Organization heads don't read this to specifically find people. But they know who it is because these people can't help but shoot their mouths off in the rinks. So when you do this, who needs that in their organization?

39 minutes ago, Rico said:

Playing above their skill set... correct. I am deeply sorry and I put forth my utmost sincere apologies for using the word “means” incorrectly. I now see the mass confusion it caused and while it will take time for all of us to heal... I have taken away a very valuable lesson and I will be better next time. 

With that said, dazedandconfused has about 5 different usernames he regularly uses. The hilarity ensuing when he ends up having conversations with himself in an attempt to further his campaign narrative. Has anyone ever had 4-5 usernames come out of the woodwork to dispute you... That’s Mr.Complex above.

Theres definitely some heated discussions here, and some of us, admittedly can be a little douchey at times. My bad, I’m passionate about the sport. Nothing personal. 

But everyone should really take note that there aren’t nearly as many unique IP’s around here as the username count suggests. So while I’m not an English scholar, I do have a career/expertise in IT and I can tell you all about some of the ? ‘s on here who are acting above their means...

 

I wonder when some of them will realize that the reason the board has such a small contingent of posters anymore is that people have realized that they’re not as anonymous as they think and are still wondering why their kid keeps getting cut or people won’t hire them to coach anymore. Great post!

9 hours ago, HSFBLJ said:

  All catholic school students go to that school and pay tuition. Do the co-op students pay tuition at Burrell? Bush league comparison. Try again.

So Catholic schools (which draw kids from all over not specific areas) are ok because kids pay tuition?  Hardly a Bush league comparison.  You can't be comfortable with one and not the other.  I guess we should tell kids from small schools to find another sport to participate in or stick to club hockey.  My original post says the rules are what they are, stop focusing one specific example and look at the bigger picture.  

Championships are for determining who the best team is at a given point in time, not to see who has the best program or who can develop the most players.

You can choose to focus on the negative or you can simply look at the results and say congratulations to both teams for a great season.

You really can’t understand that a catholic school that runs a good program and has ALL players attend the school are more respectable than a D2 program that has students from different school districts? That’s just ignorance that rivals the laziness of D2 programs that refuse to develop and rely on recruiting. What’s the point of school and community based athletics if the players aren’t from there? 

55 minutes ago, pghhockey said:

So now you're angry that there's a D2 division? Take it up with USA Hockey, they've created D2 so that kids from smaller schools can pool together and have a chance to compete at Nationals, I think that it's a very positive thing. It sounds like you're just angry and looking for a venue to vent on, since a simple email to a representative at MidAm Hockey would likely get you the answer you're looking for regarding the selection process. I'd say it's pretty self-evident for the rest of us, they're a good team that went 5-1 in their division at Nationals and won the Silver medal.

No problem with the D2 division just don’t believe co-ops should be given the same forums (or respect for that matter) as pure schools. Everyone should get the opportunity to play the game. Playing for championships should be reserved for clubs that can build and develop properly. Anything else genius?

1 hour ago, HSFBLJ said:

The rules are what they are.  Both teams represented PA well.  How is a Catholic School any different (Central and Erie Prep) than a co-op?  If a player is wearing another players jersey call it out immediatly.   I can't beleive game administration would allow this at any level.

 

Peter Puk told me the Lebo parents sent the invitations?  

All catholic school students go to that school and pay tuition. Do the co-op students pay tuition at Burrell? Bush league comparison. Try again.

2 hours ago, pghhockey said:

We're not sure what you're asking. You want to know why the most dominant teams in the D1 and D2 divisions got invited to High School Nationals via MidAm? Pine Richland went 18-1 and Burrell went 19-1 during the regular season, I think that it's fair to give them both an invite.

Plain English junior. WHAT WAS THE PROCESS OF SELECTION FOR THE INVITE? They need to be selected before the new year. How do you determine the invites and who makes the ultimate decision? And let’s be honest, Burrell wouldn’t last a round in any other pure playoff. They have a couple good players but they didn’t even win their leagues playoff. 

15 minutes ago, AMR24 said:

Seriously? Again with the disrespect. Please do not address me unless you have something constructive to say and do so in a respectful manner. I will not entertain any more of  your keyboard warrior, bullying tactics. I believed I was being helpful as this was my 1st year experiencing the whole Mid Am/Nationals stuff.

Please. You were making an attempt at being a passive aggressive smartalec. Now you run back behind the wall of decency. Keyboard warrior? Please. It’s a message board. Don’t post if you can’t handle it.

1 hour ago, AMR24 said:

They were sent an invitation.

Oh now the lady wants to speak. No kidding they were sent an invitation. How? What was the process. Anyone with any useful input here? Of course not. How many times do I have to prove that?

56 minutes ago, Hoser said:

The addition of the HS tournament to USA Hockey Nationals in 2010 is part of USA Hockey continuing plan to "grow the game." The addition of D1 (pure) and D2 (combined) high school divisions (D1 and D2 is correct, not my erroneous use of HS tier 1 and tier 2 terminology above) started in 2015. It's impossible to expect every recognized High School "state champion" would be willing to bear the significant burden (some $$,$$$'s per team) of participating in this tournament. So they use a system of allowing interested teams consideration. USAH affiliates directors determine who receives a bid to HS nationals. It is what it is.

https://nationals.usahockey.com/page/show/718726-champions

The USA Hockey national tournament list of champions goes back 81 years to 1938. Check it out.

“It is what it is”. That’s funny. This moron cuts and pasted in an effort to prove some sort of definitive proof co-ops are a legit part of USA Hockey nationals. There are tons of schools that were interested and 3 were chosen. I’m asking what the selection process was. I’m assuming another useless response is on its way. 

1 hour ago, Hoser said:

Thanks in advance for the compliments. I used my genius 3rd grade reading skills to find the answer to your question. Thank you Mrs. Kough...unfortunately the paragraph below is gonna open up another can of whoop ass!

https://cdn4.sportngin.com/attachments/document/4d12-1672319/2019_Tournament_Guidebook.pdf

High School Varsity and Prep School Varsity Division (male and female teams): Pure teams that are community-based public high schools, private schools drawing their students exclusively from a local metropolitan area (excluding any school that boards players) OR a combined team from a state that has NO pure teams. Representation from each state will be determined by  the state affiliate participating in the tournament. Billeted players competing on Youth Tier I, Youth Tier II or any junior teams are not eligible to compete in the High School Varsity national tournament. Participation is restricted to amateurs who are full-time students (grades 9-12), and 19 years old or under as of December 31 of the playing season. Eligibility is not to exceed eight (8) consecutive semesters starting with a player’s freshman year. Clarification: Those high school students graduating mid-year are no longer full-time students and therefore, are not eligible to play on a varsity high school hockey team, effective on their last day of attending classes full-time.

Thanks for the cut and paste. Again, can anyone answer what my questions without cutting and pasting? Someone that hasn’t proven that they have no reading comprehension skills? Again, I’m not debating whether they are eligible to be there. I’m asking what the benefit of co-ops are? Anyone with any sense and doesn’t have the bias this idiot does?

Just now, Wampa1 said:

I actually stated I get co-ops and acknowledged they’re in every sport. So you’re lack of reading comprehension confirms your stupidity. Name some co-ops that have won a wpial or state title please. 

44 minutes ago, Hoomie said:

There are co-ops in every sport in high school,  not just hockey, and they win wpial and state championships.   Educate yourself,  you sound stupid. 

Also, can you tell all of us how Burrell was entered into the National Championship?

41 minutes ago, Hoomie said:

There are co-ops in every sport in high school,  not just hockey, and they win wpial and state championships.   Educate yourself,  you sound stupid. 

I actually stated I get co-ops and acknowledged they’re in every sport. So you’re lack of reading comprehension confirms your stupidity. Name some co-ops that have won a wpial or state title please. 

7 minutes ago, Pa Hockey said:

This National High School Tournament is a stretch with NO State Champions Representation from Illinois (New Trier), Indiana (Culver), Ohio (St Ignatius), Maryland Mid Atlantic Prep (DeMatha), Pennsylvania AAA (LaSalle) and several other states. The concept is good and the execution is less than a National Championship, although Santa Margarita CAL, Edina MN and Regis Jesuit COL are very good programs along with Bayard Rustin A PA and Pine Richland AA PA.      

 

Congrats to Burrell for a nice showing in a Tournament with ALL Co-Ops USA Hockey Registered Teams. Please note that NO High School Federation Schools are eligible to participate in Division 1 (PURE) or Division 2 (COOP) 

 

What Federation schools would have made the tournament better? I’m curious as I’m not as familiar with them. I still can’t see why co-ops are part of this. What am I missing? I understand why co-ops exist. I’m any sport. But to give them a national or even state championship is redundant. Isn’t the Tier 1 and 2 championships Enough for teams with players that are brought in from various areas? Arent High School athletics meant to have students of the different schools compete against each other hence the legitimacy of league, state, and National championships? 

3 minutes ago, Hoomie said:

Refering to your lying post. You never saw what you wrote.  You are lying plain and simple.   The process is the same as any other division in PIHL.  Do you get it? One more time...you are a liar.

Never doubted the process. The registration process is strong. However, there are D2 programs that continue to struggle because they lack the ability and integrity to police themselves. You’re telling me that, a player that is not on a given D2 team and isn’t a registered player cannot get away with suiting up in another players jersey? Come on. There are programs there that barely have enough to dress 9 skaters. It’s a forfeit either way so why is it hard to believe one of these A minor hero coaches would pull something like that?  Trust me, it’s something that will be watched much closer. 

23 minutes ago, Hoomie said:

ITS THE SAME AS A PURE SCHOOL,  they are cleared the same way as those players. You are a liar.  It's the same concept.  What don't you understand? That stupid I guess. 

First, clarify what you’re referring to. Second, read what I wrote very carefully brainiac. Don’t worry, i will help you through this.

Just now, Wampa1 said:

It’s not lies at all. I witnessed with my own eyes a player I know in uniform for a D2 team playing in another players jersey. I’m sure more people have seen this as well. It’s a flawed concept. Especially when you leave the development of programs up to people that have no idea what they’re doing and will always seem the easy way. That’s the WPA way.

Also, any of you geniuses want to try and answer my inquiry into how the teams at HS Nationals were chosen to rep the PIHL? 

1 hour ago, Hoomie said:

Outright lies.  Read about it. Each  Co-Op have a list of schools that players can come from. The school has to sign off on them. No player from a pure school is on any D2 team. For you to say you know players is a lie.  They would be ineligible. People like you is why nobody is on here anymore. 

It’s not lies at all. I witnessed with my own eyes a player I know in uniform for a D2 team playing in another players jersey. I’m sure more people have seen this as well. It’s a flawed concept. Especially when you leave the development of programs up to people that have no idea what they’re doing and will always seem the easy way. That’s the WPA way.

10 hours ago, PuckHead7 said:

So what are you getting at?  If, by definition, a tier 2 team can be more than one school, what is your issue?  Yes, they have 4-5 (or more, not sure) AAA players on the team.  From what schools and how many schools would be the question.  One is also a legal transfer.  Still don’t see an issue if all of the rules were followed.

It’s according to the rules but will always harken back to the debate of how this in any way is the spirit of scholastic athletics. A co-op in high school sports doesn’t make sense in Hockey. You have amateur or travel hockey. The co-ops always lose me. It’s ridiculaous that 2 teams with recruited players are representing the PIHL in this tournament. How did they choose these teams by the way?

20 minutes ago, Eddie Shore said:

I have to disagree.  This forum was never about useful discussion.  The original Eddie Shore who starting this forum was king jerk and this was just the kind of stuff he loved.  I took my screen in his honor because he was the biggest douche of them all! ?

 

Now this is the truth. Zero meaningful discussion. Ever. It’s either self important “atta boys” or whining about hurt feelings. As long as the actual hockey people in town continue to realize the joke this board is, I’ll feel that I’ve done my job.

15 minutes ago, fafa fohi said:

Guys like @Wampa1 don't run along to another thread because he gets off on stuff like this.  Unfortunately there is not one single shred of constructive thought coming from him, regardless of topic.  The name calling, disparaging remarks and condescending crap is old, tired and juvenile.   That is not what this thread or this site is all about.  

@Paul Baxter maybe its time to send him packing.  

Actually @Paul Baxter I’m just responding to folks like @fafa fohi who can't read the advice I’m giving. If I’m going to be insulted, I’ll respond. If they could stop being so sensitive, they’d see some really good advice.

30 minutes ago, Plud said:

My hero’s? My friends*. You’re the one who follows like a fan 

Too easy

9 hours ago, Plud said:

Did you not read what you said? You accused me of living off my parent’s dime, which I’m not. Say something with facts behind it. So pops, get off your high horse and get a life. Players deciding to play an extra year has absolutely no effect on your life. For some, it might lead to something more (like Trevor and others). For others, it gives them an extra year to decide what they want to do next after high school. That does not make a person a failure. You’re a loser who’s trolling a blog that is meant to discuss local youth hockey. It’s about as sad as life gets. I truly hope you don’t have kids and if you do they don’t know you’re on here because they’d be absolutely petrified knowing you are like this on here. You can keep calling me “son” and “boy” and that’s fine because I know that right now at my age I am 5 times the man you’ll ever be pops

Too easy. Seems I’ve triggered another pretender on the board. Manhood is a long way off kid when your hero’s are midget hockey players. 

51 minutes ago, Plud said:

More biased opinions from you with no backbone,  no I’m not on my parents dime. I actually graduated from college and hold down a decent job. I have a few connections still playing so I tend to come on here and check every now and then to see what people are saying. You’re the type of guy who follows high school hockey with absolutely no connection to it. “Wasted opportunity” makes no sense. What would you say of someone like Trevor recktenwald who played a second year of U18 for Esmark and is now in his senior year free of charge playing D1 hockey for Ferris state?  There’s several more who went on partial scholarships to play D3 hockey. You have no stats. You say biased opinions and play them off like facts. Keep yelling at clouds old man. The worlds passing you by 

Well mom and dad need to get their tuition money back because that degree milk you went to fails to teach reading comprehension son. I clearly stated there have been players that did well there. Trevor was one of the players that the stars were lucky to get. How long did he play there by the way? Check with your contacts. There have been several more that helped carry the rest of the bill payers the club leaders make a living off of. Hetz, Brown, etc. all carried the reputation of the club. I’m sure you knew that. You got the stats I’m sure. Oh and way to go holding down a job. That used to be what you’re supposed to do. Not what you get a pat on the back for. I’m sure mom and dad are proud of you for having a job and having close contacts still playing. You’re the best boy. 

7 hours ago, Plud said:

Actually I’m somebody who not so long ago played for a AAA team in the area and personally know several people who played as a second year U18 and did just fine.  Could you please provide your unbiased stats on who “failed even at the ACHA level” or are these your biased uninformed opinions? Or do you keep in contact with these kids and their families and know for a fact that they “failed”? You clearly have a grudge against tier 1 hockey in Pittsburgh. That’s fine. Claiming people “failed” at the next level with absolutely no basis behind that on an anonymous hockey forum that most don’t even know exists is the definition of irony.  You sir, have failed. Now don’t go getting hypersensitive about that 

Not sure where I failed son but here’s a free lesson. I’m sure since you’re still on mom and dad’s dime you and I have a vastly different idea on what failure is. Trust me, my experience here is plenty deep and I’ve been at this before your caretakers even knew what hockey was, let alone mortgaging their home to make sure you could keep doing it “for the boys”, when you should have been moving on in life. Sure, there are plenty of AAA players that move on and succeed. What I’m referring to is the Esmark organization specifically. There have been players that the leaders of that club have been lucky to have. They would have been moving on no matter where they played. But as for the rest of the players (and no I don’t keep statistics nor do I care to) its criminal that any of them are left as roster filling, bill paying extras. At the U18 level especially, the team has a baby sitter as a coach and they’re skills either stay the same or get worse. It’s all about the good time there. Great teams but lots of wasted money and opportunity. I’m not anti-AAA. Love it actually. Big proponent of pushing yourself to the highest level possible. But I’m not a fan of encouraging young adults to waste years on “having fun”. That’s what we used to think was failing junior. Also, if not many people know this board exists, how pathetic is it that you decided to come on here to insert yourself into a topic you weren’t named in? That’s pathetic. Move on boy. Time to grow up.