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1 hour ago, Happy Hockey Fan said:

Well we are talking about the inconsistencies of PIHL. So yes. Are you from Avonworth? 

Uh, no.  Not even close.

But by you asking such a question you are officially carrying the torch of beating this dead horse to death even more.  Great.

19 hours ago, Happy Hockey Fan said:

Big reason why they are coop. But Montour has a kid come into 9th grade and actually go to school at Montour and PIHL shuts them down even after their roster was approved. 

Good god, are we going to beat that dead horse that is the Montour goalie situation from last year once again?

1 hour ago, Pa Hockey said:

the # 7 Team will have a really good record and NOT Make the Playoffs 

Wheeling Catholic is currently the #7 team in the Blue division and their record is 6-5-0-1 with 13 points

Greensburg Salem is currently the #7 team in the Gold division and their record is 8-4-0-1-1 with 18 points.

GS has played much better teams than WC ( already beaten Mars, NC, Meadville and Indiana ) and may miss the playoffs.

One very good team from the Gold division will not make the post season which sucks as that division is stacked.

19 minutes ago, hockeyisgreat said:

PAHL Meeting on January 16th would be a good time to bring the issue of Stats up.  If enough Associations question them maybe we can find out why they choose not to let the public have access.  Or maybe someone from the PAHL board who sees this message board could respond to why the PAHL chooses not to show individual and team stats.

Other organizations fielding teams at the AA level post stats and sync with players listed on Elite Prospects.

The folks that run PAHL are dinosaurs and clueless - making this change is not that difficult.  If you look at PA high school hockey, the moment stats post on the PIHL site they are uploaded on Elite Prospects.  Both PAHL and PIHL utilize SportsEngine so it makes zero sense.  The data is there - those fools should post it.

https://www.eliteprospects.com/league/csdhl-16u/stats/2022-2023

22 hours ago, PUCKCOVID19 said:

wwelll the OG PPE Black teams former payers are all u16AAA or above now so they can't warn the younger generation of the fleecing it really is. Not to mention this is their last push before SID retires from the NHL. The numbers don't like look at the increase when Lemieux and pens won cup hockey took off. lemieix gone pens sub par numbers declined. enter Sid numbers sore.  now its coking to an end w his career and they know itlll be a bumpy road for a few years with numbers down and cost of her ice and travel increasing 

I edited my post because I could not make heads or tails on the above post and it appears there are those that interpreted it in a different way than I did.

So noted.

https://www.pihlhockey.com

Congratulations to all players.

4 hours ago, Danner27 said:

While I agree with your ncaa d3 statement, please tell me where anyone around here is getting 2,000 plus people at a club hockey game. I’ve been to many. Attendance looks no different than a pihl game. The most I’ve witnessed for club hockey - attended a Kentucky midnight game a few years back. I’d guess that was around 2000-2500 people. That was the most I’ve ever seen at a club game by far. While I’ve never seen a liberty game in person I’ve seen the other top places and none of them had 2000 people. 

Ohio University sells out almost every home game at roughly an 1,800 capacity but that is because their rink is on campus and they have a strong networking system / social media presence to get students to come to games.  Don't know about other programs.

I have been to Duquesne and Pitt games at Alpha and attendance is abysmal.  

22 hours ago, sadday4hockey said:

Not sure I agree with this. They both definitely have the most participants but they also both do a lot of cattle-herding as they push the limits of too many players on the ice which can limit reps and stunt improvement.

The most popular programs get the most kids.  The Yeti ( formerly known as Butler Valley ) used to be a huge player in this space and now are a shell of what they had. But both NP and RMU have a cap and limit the number of kids that participate in their mite programs.  They close registrations once they hit that cap - I know that for a fact.

NP and RMU have the best youth development programs in the area, hands down.  Both serve as feeder programs to Foxes and Wildcats travel teams and both orgs can field as many as six Squirt U10 teams.  If the rinks are near you then you can’t go wrong with either one.  

These rankings make me laugh. 

For Mid-Ams there are 11 teams in this group.  Will the top six or top eight advance to the Mid-Am tournament?

If six, only Esmark and PPE will be there.  Vengeance and the rest are on the outside looking in.

23 hours ago, Pa Hockey said:

Been there ...........FR was 1-97-4 over four years when I began development in 2007-2015 and two Penguins Cups and three more finals later is solid AA Program.....still poke my nose in from time to time   

I have my hands full with plenty of hockey projects thank you and enjoy doing them !

Mars is on their way with kids money and Cody Black will do a great job 

Shaler is Shaler and will find a way to screw anything up but Myers has won a couple of States with Mars so good luck to him 

Butler is a huge school lots of kids and money and should be embarassed to be in A

lol

Since you are so connected with your finger on the western PA hockey pulse, ask Mars players if they are enjoying HS hockey more this year than last year or years prior.  I know many of them personally and that would be a hard "yes."  Butler is 3-3 at the A level this season and have already won more games this year than all of last year.  My guess is same story here - yes on all accounts..

Or ask your bud CB at Mars..........

6 minutes ago, Pa Hockey said:

So what ? They go through coaches like toilet paper and mismanage their programs and get put in Class A ? These are some big schools with lots of players in the district and plenty of rinks to get their talent. Norwin and Fox Chapel are two more n this category  

Yeah so what - I would have loved to get my ass kicked as a high school kid and go 9-47.  Makes total sense Mr. PA Hockey.  🤡

Since you are super genius maybe you should step in and show those schools how to run a program.  Based on your computer and web skills I am sure you would have them turned around in no time.

37 minutes ago, Pa Hockey said:

Mars Butler and Shaler all have JV Teams and should be in AA

For the record, Butler's record over the past three seasons is 9-47.  Mars 17-39.  So there's that.

@Wes "If the game is tight, your team will for sure get multiple penalties in the last ~10 minutes to try and even up the game (This is routine at Indiana as well).  Happens 100% of the time."

It's as if as you were there at the U18 game because that appears to have happened.  SCIR up 2-0 mid second period, then the one-sided calls from the refs magically appear to include TWO 5 on 3's.  Armstrong then scores two PP goals for the game to end in a tie.

21 minutes ago, aaaahockey said:

Well no one wants to go to alpha either.  But point taken. 

Not wanting to travel to a rink because of the unique smells and the possibility of contracting e-coli does not equate to horrendous reffing.  Just sayin’

Penalty shenanigans continue this season at Belmont.  Earlier today SCIR U16 AA had 22 penalty minutes compared to four minutes for home team Armstrong.  In the U18 AA game it was only a three X differential in favor of the home team - 18 penalty minutes for SCIR compared to six minutes for Armstrong.

And people wonder why they don’t want to travel to that barn.

I know I know - pure coincidence.  

https://www.pahockey.com/game/show/40714165?subseason=911580&referrer=8266158

1 hour ago, aaaahockey said:

Armstrong won U18 second division.  SHAHA 09 won the 2009 second division.  WBS (I know not western PA) won 2010 second division. That's the only PA teams that won I believe.  I think there were a ton of teams out there though. 

The talent levels for both AAA and AA divisions were not as good as prior years as there were many teams in both divisions that got blown out by the better teams.  

19 minutes ago, Pa Hockey said:

What you discount is most of these schools from Colorado + Ohio Fed + East Pa + Culver Varsity  + Illinois + Ontario HA + DeMatha have different commitment levels for their HS teams and bring  their full teams to these events (and NA and Cathedral Prep have that level too  in recent years ) 

I get it, things are different in other states.  In MN high school hockey is the holy grail, not amateur hockey.

I stand by my original point - here in western PA a MAJORITY of kids play on two teams.

1 hour ago, Pa Hockey said:

For some and a minority 

Minority?

What percentage of HS kids on school teams do you think also play on amateur teams?

Everyone appreciates you promoting the school tournaments, but players playing on two teams is not a minority.  You will see a drop off with HS seniors.  Other age groups my guess is 80-90% play on two teams.  I know a number of team managers from amateur teams that have to schedule around school tournaments because of scheduling conflicts. 

On 10/7/2023 at 9:45 AM, Icebucket said:

Nothing worse than weekend HS hockey

That was a comment I made before regarding HS tournaments for WPA teams.  St. Marg’s did not conflict with amateur schedules this year as games were scheduled on weekdays.   Scheduling HS tournament games on weekends is a problem.

49 minutes ago, Chinstrap said:

I saw in a different thread Avonworth beat NC 3-2.

It was a scrimmage with numerous JV players similar to one where NH lost to Mars 9-0.  I wouldn't take much of anything from a scrimmage.

1 hour ago, Saucey said:

A low 2007 BY and an exodus to AAA and there are 11 16u AA teams. 😄 Wow, the level of play got significantly better overnight around here.

Completely nonsensical, especially with only seven teams in A Major Black.  The two orgs fielding two teams in 16U AA will have one team at or around the top, and the "second" team will be 15 games under .500. Those same parents excited to see little Johnny at the AA level will be the first ones yelling and screaming when they get boat raced by seven goals a game.

Bank on it.

1 hour ago, hockeyisgreat said:

What separates Westmoreland from South Hills in 18U?

Not much at the AA level.

NP beat Westmoreland 8-1 last week while SHAHA lost to SCIR 9-0.