Danner27

5 hours ago, hockeyisgreat said:

Ok I will try this one more time!  I want to waste my money!  Give me the names of some advisors in Western Pa.  Or are you just so bitter you like to put everyone who trys to play juniors down!  It is interesting though that no one here is willing to name any advisors.  Probably for fear of being ridiculed by you!

I’m not putting local guys names on here, I know of 3 here.  Google hockey advisors if you really want one. You’ll see the bigger known guys and companies. Stay away from the Facebook advisor and the guy that runs the junior hockey news. If your kid is playing AAA (even for the faux teams) chances are high at your next Michigan tournament you’ll be approached by one. probably more advisors than there are youth coaches these days. Some are good, most are con artists. 

5 minutes ago, ChiefKeef said:

I was told they were there on business.  There were quite a few team personnel there from other programs as well.  
 

Regarding the magical birthyear I have no doubt some bullshit went on there.  Unfortunately, there is someone powerful enough to make moves there, whether they were made or not. 

What was funny about that year the culver kid got screwed, a month later at the main camp in upstate New York, usa hockey made a statement and cut every single PPE kid black or yellow helmet after the first two days. None of them even made it to the weekend for real games (I think they called it all star weekend back then). 

7 hours ago, hockeyisgreat said:

Danner, do you know for a fact that the SHAHA kid has an advisor?  Since you know them personally why don't you tell us who some of the advisors in Western PA are?  I just don't understand why you feel the need to cast such a negative outlook on to playing hockey in Western Pa.  Do you think that kids in Western Pa shouldn't even try to play Juniors? Why waste the money! Right?  Better off putting it in the college fund?

Yes. 
 

no negative outlook on playing hockey. Just calling out the bs and giving facts how things work. 
 

as for juniors, all tier 3 is a waste of money, your kid more than likely won’t advance to a real leauge. The EHL is the best of tier 3, they produce the most  ncaa d3 players of those pay to play leauges. 

yes, you would be better sticking that 15-20k in a college fund. It would pay for a year of college. 

8 hours ago, Happy Hockey Fan said:

While the NCDC hasn’t moved a ton of kids to D1 it certainly has happened. And they seem to be getting more and more kids to that level the longer the league exists. While it may not produce the most D1 players of all the junior leagues it does produce them. I don’t understand why you knock it so much. It is a newer league that is still developing. And look for a kid from the area making it to D1 from the NCDC in the next couple of years. 

We’ve discussed this player, his goal is to get out of the ncdc and try to make it back to the nahl. He’s averaging almost a PPG in the ncdc, he couldn’t even get playing time in the nahl. Shows you the difference in the leauges. He’s a great player. 
 

when you see those stats of players the ncdc moved into ncaa d1, the majority of the time the player has a quick stop in the ncdc. Played half a season when they were 18, got picked up by the nahl. The ncdc didn’t produce the player. Have you ever seen an ncdc contract ? They are absurd. 

7 hours ago, fafa fohi said:

@Danner27 And I quote - “his “AAA” stats - I’ve seen esmark padded stats twice that. Means nothing. He played 15u at shaha, the top players for his age that will end up in leauges like the ushl played 16u.”

This is the kind of garbage that I’m talking about, trashing a now 16 year old kid that you have never seen play.  Douchebag move if you ask me  

Everyone here knows yours and your kids story as you’ve said it here at nauseam on these pages a hundred times.  Maybe since your All-Star aged out maybe find a better hobby besides disparaging youth hockey players you know nothing about. 
 

 

Call it what you want. It’s facts. I stated I’m sure he’s nice looking player. 

37 minutes ago, ChiefKeef said:

They were not there evaluating players for Mid-Am selection from what I am aware of.  They were simply taking advantage of an opportunity to see kids and possibly find families to add to the program. 
 

Does anyone really think they wouldn’t be there  to see what the landscape is in surrounding states?  Especially when they have an incomplete 07 roster in April?  Those kids are all fair game and low hanging fruit for PPE.  Again, they were there for leads on potential ‘customers’. 
 

Your logic about this is completely flawed as well. An 07 Dmen from Esmark who was cut by PPE, made the final USA camp.  You don’t think the PPE would have snuck in one of their kids if they were calling the shots? 
 

Anyone who’s dealt with PPE for more than two years knows that those guys don’t give a single shit about anything that goes on outside of Cranberry.  They are in their own little fantasy land there where they are the center of their own little hockey universe.  Where they sit on this peda-stool behind a curtain in OZ because that’s where people like you put them by thinking they are powerful lol 

They couldn’t care less who makes it where. As I always say, look at their overall results with moving kids on.  That’s not the business model.  The business model is to sit back and let the program run itself.  Attach their name to can’t miss players,  take credit for ‘developing’ them and use those names to market to the 99% who they have zero intention on actually developing long term.  

 

 

 

Oh boy, should we start the putting the facts out and taking them down before we get sued ? ??

there was a time when PPE was also the evaluators. Admittitly, it’s been a few years since I’ve been to one of those, maybe it’s changed lately, maybe culver flipping out a few years back did something. PPE did control who moved out of Sylvania for years. There was big good D culver had at that special ppe BY that got completly screwed. Culver want nuts that year on usa hockey & mid am about ppe black kids being pushed through over this kid who was clearly the best player on the ice. he’s now in the ushl. This was the select 15 camp if i recall correctly. 

2 hours ago, Pa Hockey said:

FYI_ Chatham beat IUP 2-0 last year with ENG and Ohio beat Chatham .............Let the Kool Aid flow ! 

Correctted. Just recalled they won by one goal. I didn’t hear Ohio beat Chattam but that doesn’t surprise me at all. 

1 hour ago, fafa fohi said:

If what you mean by exposure is having PPE coaches be the evaluators at this year's MidAm camp, then yes they get the exposure.  But for anyone else with a brain that was at this years camp knew right from the start of what bullshit favoritism was going to happen the moment those coaches entered the evaluation area each day.  Take a guess how many from PPE made the All-Star game on the last day along with making Natty camp?  

Exposure because they come from PPE?  Yes. But it's a crock of shit in the process, and kids I knew nothing about but saw them out-play others got screwed because they didn't have a yellow bucket. Call it what you want.

As far as other AAA local teams go, if you are in the right tournaments and play well against top teams you will get noticed.  

And those of you demeaning the SHAHA kid ( hello @PAhockey ) for getting drafted by NCDC, then saying it was because an advisor pulled the strings?  That is laughable and you have probably seen him play for ten minutes.  Spare me - look up his stats for both AAA and HS.

PPE has been controlling the mid am camp since they bought the hornets. There was a time when they pushed all their black team kids through to! But that’s not the exposure I’m talking about. 
 

as for the shaha kid - yes, his advisor got him drafted. If you don’t understand how they work or need one for your kid, I can give you a few contacts. Toss down 5-15k a year, they will get your kid drafted in some leauges, get you invited to some nahl and ushl main camps. They will open doors. Depends what you want to pay. Like i said, give me 5k I’ll get your kid drafted into the ncdc. It’s such a joke, Number #389 taken in a 12 team league lmao. If you payed attention to my original post, most kids playing in the ncdc were never drafted to that league. 

his “AAA” stats - I’ve seen esmark padded stats twice that. Means nothing. He played 15u at shaha, the top players for his age that will end up in leauges like the ushl played 16u. 
 

I’m sure he’s a nice player, in the end, he will end up at the same places 99% of the kids playing do. 

On 8/17/2022 at 7:19 PM, Stinger17 said:

At this point why would anyone consider PPE a organization that "serves" this area??? They are a Tier 1 program that operates here.

All of the organizations mentioned feed of off each other like canibals. PPE on your resume will get you at least one guranteed year at Esmark and probably two years at the Vengeance and so on down the line. Yes, none of these programs are perfect BUT they are still better than PAHL. Tier 1 is about exposure. Exposure to top competition and the opportunity to move up which is something that playing in a glorified house league cannot offer. Yes, parents brag...AAA parents sound like a$$holes to AA parents and AA parents sound the same to A parents...and so on. Get over it.

With all of the TIER 1 options in the Pittsburgh area the question people should be asking is "Why isn't PAHL developing players to fill all of these Tier 1 roster spots?" Cities with a lot less hockey history than Western PA have produced multiple competitive Tier 1 programs, think Nashville, Dallas, Florida (and yes I know they import). Why is Pittsburgh behind???

PAHL is the main feeder for "development" (cough!) for all of these programs based on volume at the younger ages. Yet it can be derived from comments across this board that the kids they are "developing" aren't good enough to move on to play "Legitimate" AAA. At the same time people suggest that kids stay in PAHL to be developed and save some money. For what??? To be "developed" enough to be accused of chasing an A or told they're not playing for a real AAA program?.....We should be grateful that there are opportunities other than PPE for local kids to play Tier 1. Please stop calling it faux.

The fact is none of these programs are really developing kids so much as it's the individual kids that put in the work and are being recruited to play and/or seek better competition on their own, both local and abroad. The really good ones play for free (wink, wink).

It's the old saying "there are hockey players and there are kids playing hockey". Hockey players want to be challenged, embrace adversity, put in the work and appreciate the journey. Kids playing hockey want to be with their buddies, have snacks, show off their participation trophies and make up excuses why they didn't make that FAUX AAA team. Figure out which one your kids are and make peace with it...

Your own words - AAA / TIER 1 is all about exposure. Yes, Exposure to real junior leagues. Unless you are playing for PPE or midget esmark, you are not getting very much if any exposure. Nobody that matters is scouting the predators, icemen etc. 

talk of a shaha kid getting drafted into the ncdc ? That’s so laughable. The advisor pulled the string. Give me 5k I’ll get your get drafted into the ncdc, I’m not even joking. 
 

fun fact - most the kids playing in the ncdc were never drafted into the leauge. It’s marketing. 
 

ever since the ncdc started I know around 12 local kids drafted into that leauge. None of them really ever played in it. A few saw a game here and there. Most got suckered into paying to play on the affiliate usphl premier team that funds the ncdc. “Next year he will be ready”, “did a great job a main camp just needs to get strong” pay your 15k.  the list goes on. Half of the kids playing in the ncdc have bought their way in, it’s part of the reason no one really considers it tier 2. It’s a money making machine, the top players best outcome is nornally ncaa d3, another money making machine. Half these schools you wouldn’t want to send your kid to for an education. The other half are so expensive you would be stupid to pay it. But hey “my kid plays ncaa hockey!”

Chattam NCAA D3 beats IUP CLUB team in OT ffs. 

On 8/18/2022 at 10:03 AM, RJUSHL said:

In my opinion a top 50 or top 60 team could be considered AAA. Not sure why some people think you have to be top 30 or 40 to be considered AAA. This isn't the 90s or early 2000s anymore. The quality of hockey and depth of US players is significantly better than it has ever been. That includes Pittsburgh.

The old school guys that complain about everything keep dropping the number of what should be considered AAA in order to justify their opinions that Pittsburgh hockey sucks and this area can really only have one AAA per age group. Maybe that was the case when they were coming up or their kids were coming up, but it's just not the case anymore.

For most birth years, I think Pittsburgh can support three AAA teams. Some weaker years, maybe just two. Five+ is a bit absurd and does nothing but weaken PAHL and make hockey more expensive.

This is somewhat wrong. Tier 3 juniors has ripped AAA midget apart. 16 & 18U midget is pretty diluted these days. 
 

Black bear would more than likely be good for that place, along with the programs that play out of it. 

On 7/21/2022 at 2:09 PM, dazedandconfused said:

Who is replacing you as the Central Region coordinator during your suspension? Do you intend to return to this position after your time is served?

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Maybe I just follow hockey more, but we had a few years not long ago were tons of pros kept coming out about this sort of thing with junior coaches, billets etc. 

6 hours ago, RJUSHL said:

 

 

Couldn’t even watch the entire video. Awful. For whatever reason this has been going on in our sport more than others through out the years. 

9 hours ago, Happy Hockey Fan said:

Wrong site buddy. 

Not really - one of the reasons myself & the other poster agreed to take down what we talked about publicly here last. That man has serious political pull and attorneys that’s would bleed us dry under a weeks time.

David Morehouse was Bill Clinton’s campaign manager. This is when David met Ron Burkle who was at the time the single biggest donor to the democrat party. David was brought into the Penguins to use his political pull & put pressure on Governor Rendel to get the new arena secured. 

14 hours ago, forbin said:

I mean I wasn't gonna say anything.....LOL

had you been around last night you would have seen the conversation (unless you did see it) Could make a movie about it - the pro team, ppe, favors, kick backs, pay offs, names ? you would have thought we were talking about congress!  I really wish everyone could know, but I along with the other guy don’t have the money to deal with those high end attorneys. It would have happened. They would have more than likely came after this message board too.  If you folks recall how fast the posts got taken down a few years back about some well known 2003 players that got busted smoking weed and bullying excel kids in the locker room. You know the one kid who’s committed to psu ? the other who’s dad was running things. That stuff was petty compared to what we talked about last night.

Last night was all truth & proof how to pay off someone on the back side, use the pro team to get a kid into an ncaa d1 program that has no business ever making it there.

Sorry for all the edited posts folks. It was best for this community if we want to keep the place around ? 

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8 hours ago, nemesis8679 said:

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2 hours ago, ChiefKeef said:

Where’s hockey2020?  No Wi-Fi on the flight back from your 1-9 trip to Alberta? 

Before you edited this post you mentioned Clarkson university, not sure why you removed it. if you want a real dirty secret -  Dartmouth! 

from the cba - 

How do Entry-Level Contracts Work?

31 minutes ago, PUCKCOVID19 said:

problem is the one that ran the hornets " sluggo" he's the one that got this ppe shit show on the road too where it is. he was given a 10 year buy out plan.  wonder why he isnt there anymore huh.. facts 

Have to disagree, 66 bought out the hornets along with the am pens junior b & c club (rebranded afterward as the three rivers vengeance to what it is now with the usphl) sluggo had nothing to do with it. 

the guy that cut Austin at tryouts would not budge,  regardless of all the pressure that was applied. So Mario pulled a hostel take over in a way. Certain people had to get bought out. 

7 minutes ago, nemesis8679 said:

This is all great information. 

The sad part - it’s all true. I could write a book about it! 
 

the really sad part - as I’ve said before, if your kid has the skill or as a parent, you feel they do - have to play at ppe to get noticed or move the kid out of town. The esmark Hail Mary at midget doesn’t even work as well as the nfl Hail Mary but it’s something I suppose if you don’t want to ship your kid off. 

Not sure why Cooley wouldn’t credit PPE. Family ties through the org. both of his brothers played there. Uncles coached ncaa hockey, cousins played ncaa hockey. I think it’s funny they are crediting the Crosby program - while I do think that program is great, it had nothing to with the kid getting into hockey. He comes from a hockey family. Maybe pens or the nhl ask him to push that pr. 
 

Marc Voit is past all the bs. Just chatted with him not long ago. He, along with his son have moved on. The first guy to expose publicly in front of everyone the money, excel politics etc. someone build a statue of this guy. They tried to threaten him with many things. Even banned him from going to games. morehouse always had it in for him, marc would help any kid get better. He ran a group skate for what it cost to rent ice right across the street, kids got better development from marc. PPE kids, Esmark kids. It didn’t matter. Marc wasn’t in it for the money. Morehouse didn’t like it, it stopped some families from spending money in house. 

the program will never go away. 66 started it because his son couldn’t make the hornets, so he bought them out and started ppe. Morehouse turned the program into a way to fund the pro practice rink while he pushed his kid through. So I have to ask, which executive is next in line ?  I am  assuming someone has girl since they are pushing woman’s youth hockey harder than ever. 
 

Funny but true story - when Matt Cullen left the pens in 2018 it had nothing to do with money, contracts etc. (he came back a year later) it was because they wouldn’t let his kids in the click, so he took them to Minnesota. 

Next time you are at the pro game and they do the 50/50 raffle, announce “thanks for helping raise money for local youth hockey”. ask yourself, what are they are really doing with that money ? 20-40k a game (their split) X 40 games. It’s going PPE to pay for salaries and pay for the pro’s stuff.  It doesn’t goto youth hockey. Someone should audit them. 
 

as much as I enjoyed 66 as a player, not to mention he seemed like a good person - he started this mess for his kid. His kid wasn’t any good to begin with. Couldn’t make any real junior leagues (Mario tried to buy a USHL team, ended up going partners and it still didn’t work out for Austin) but yet he ended up at a start up NCAA D1 major program. He’s since quit. Talk about privilege. Moorehouse just ran with it. made it worse. You think it’s a coincidence he steps down from the pens now that his son is done ? The new ownership group wanted to keep him on. 
 

black bear is following the Morehouse format a bit. In the other cities where they own rinks, former pros and pro team executives have ownership in the rinks. Black Bear is a bit of pyramid system to get these types to invest. Curious the local connection for western pa. Black Bear bought a nahl team. If you look closely you’ll see the kids moving from team Maryland tier 1 youth (black bear owns this org) that have moved onto the nahl team have nhl ties. Some of these kids are garbage players. 
 

1 hour ago, ChiefKeef said:

Just ask them about the results lol  They have a playbook on manipulation and how to evade questions.  If they know you recognize it,  they will bully you.  
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Marc Voit is a great example of the part I quoted from you.