Danner27

A year or two ago,  I don’t remember when really, someone outed puckcovid here. The posts were deleted, they had real names in them or something of the sort. Peppridge Farms remembers. 

if I recall correctly, he lives in SF district, his kid never played varsity. he sent him away to a usphl “junior” team that folded. He hates SF for whatever reason. 

2 hours ago, miked said:

14K a year for Clarion (aka PennWest)? I was just at Edinboro (aka Penn West) last Friday with my son and they showed us the breakdown at 12k a year for tuition, 22k all in a year.

So i'm not going to try to tell you what you paid, but seems prices may have changed. So if your choice is 22k for no hockey, or 25k for Bobcat hockey, seems pretty worth it, provided the kid can actually make the team. 

and with stats like this 

According to the National Center for Education Statistics, one-third of all U.S. college students switch majors before earning a bachelor's degree. And around 1 in 10 students changes majors more than once.

According to the National Student Clearinghouse, around one-third of college students transfer schools before earning their degree.

not to mention how many people get jobs unrelated to their degree or after working in their field for a few years change careers entirely.

You pick a school that is the best fit for YOUR family. if that includes hockey or not, it's only YOUR business. Whether the school is in state or out of state is YOUR business. I know kids that went to school in Colorado just to go to school in Colorado, So what? their business, not mine.

If everybody is so concerned about everyone else's education costs the advice that should be given is go to community college, get an associates degree. Transfer to a 4 year university with a transfer agreement with your community college. the associate degree gets you a 20% tuition discount on your remaining 2 years. Graduate with an associates degree and a bachelors degree with minimal debt relatively speaking. 

if your kid wants to go to a school to play club hockey, do it. chances are they will be more engaged and less likely to be part of this stat

30% of students drop out in the first year. Only 41% of students graduate in 4 years. Male students have a 20% higher chance to drop out, than female students. Asian students have the lowest dropout rate.

PS - read my reply above about the pervious head of HR for my previous company. Very similar to what you are saying. 
 

I would like to add, we know plenty of kids that went to a school for club hockey only to drop out or fail out in a year or two. One is a master plumber now making more money then me lol

52 minutes ago, stickboy said:

If I’m an employer looking at a stack of resumes from applicants from PSU, PItt, OU, Miami, Kent, Akron, IUP, SRU, etc. I know how I am initially sorting them (meaning some at the bottom may never get looked at). There is a reason why some schools cost more and don’t hand out aid. Their degrees are more valuable when it’s all said and done.  It’s all still overpriced IMO, but that’s a different discussion.  Save for college and pick a degree that’s in demand and a school that is good at placing graduates in the field you want a career. 

I can tell you as someone who’s job was to find the right candidates before I started my own company - I didn’t care where the person got their degree - the interview, how they presented, their demeanor along with knowledge defined my criteria for who I sent up the ladder. In this day & age, it doesn’t matter much were you get your BA/BS unless you are in something specialized. The previous head of HR for my previous company (who I didn’t higher) went to community college AS - slippery rock BA, she got her masters while employeed by said company (I think it was rmu I was already gone at this point) but now she works for Boeing. Point is - when it comes to an undergrad, not many care unless they are an alum from the school. It’s about what the person learned, not where they went. 

2 hours ago, miked said:

14K a year for Clarion (aka PennWest)? I was just at Edinboro (aka Penn West) last Friday with my son and they showed us the breakdown at 12k a year for tuition, 22k all in a year.

So i'm not going to try to tell you what you paid, but seems prices may have changed. So if your choice is 22k for no hockey, or 25k for Bobcat hockey, seems pretty worth it, provided the kid can actually make the team. 

and with stats like this 

According to the National Center for Education Statistics, one-third of all U.S. college students switch majors before earning a bachelor's degree. And around 1 in 10 students changes majors more than once.

According to the National Student Clearinghouse, around one-third of college students transfer schools before earning their degree.

not to mention how many people get jobs unrelated to their degree or after working in their field for a few years change careers entirely.

You pick a school that is the best fit for YOUR family. if that includes hockey or not, it's only YOUR business. Whether the school is in state or out of state is YOUR business. I know kids that went to school in Colorado just to go to school in Colorado, So what? their business, not mine.

If everybody is so concerned about everyone else's education costs the advice that should be given is go to community college, get an associates degree. Transfer to a 4 year university with a transfer agreement with your community college. the associate degree gets you a 20% tuition discount on your remaining 2 years. Graduate with an associates degree and a bachelors degree with minimal debt relatively speaking. 

if your kid wants to go to a school to play club hockey, do it. chances are they will be more engaged and less likely to be part of this stat

30% of students drop out in the first year. Only 41% of students graduate in 4 years. Male students have a 20% higher chance to drop out, than female students. Asian students have the lowest dropout rate.

If I recall correctly the total cost was around 19k a year before scholarships and grants. This is my child that doesn’t play any sports, his aid package was grandfathered in before the merger. 

3 minutes ago, BeaverFalls said:

All I’m saying is the league owns a lot of this for not monitoring this game by game and allowing the waste of time of a playoff game to even be played that had to be forfeited. 
 

ALOT of money goes into allegedly doing what wasn’t done. You all are paying for it that has kids in the league. You’d think there would be some more calls for accountability from the league here on this one as well as the school. 

I agree - some are paid postions in pihl - Parents are paying these salaries in their fees! 

3 minutes ago, fafa fohi said:

Paid roughly $25K a year which included room, meal plans and tuition.  Low interest government loans cap out at $5,500 per year, $22K tops. 
 

The better the grades the more money that’s available in scholarships.  Penn State all in is around $38K per year and I knew a kid that had a 4.4 GPA out of high school and didn’t get a dime from them in merit money.  He also applied to Bowling Green and said his out of pocket cost would have been around $22K a year.  His dad was a Penn State grad so I don’t have to tell you where he ended up. 

PSU is crazy. What you’ve posted I’ve been hearing for a few years. People getting into debt (or paying) over 120K for a undergrad degree. 
 

in your case, it still cost you and your son 100k for an undergrad. I’ve got a friend who’s kid graduated from miami, 5 years to get his business BA - 146k. He’s regretting let the kid go there, wanted him to stay in state (Michigan). It was completely a club hockey decesion. Sure, the kid had a blast playing but now between the kids federal loans and the parent loans they are trying to figure out how to pay them off. It’s not sounding good. 
 

One of my kids (never played sports) is graduating from clarion. It ended up costing 14k a year while he was living on campus, the last two years he had an apartment with some friends - the cost dropped to 9k a year with his rent. 
 

Now we are going way off topic - even my kid at a state school such as clarion paying 46k for an undergrad is a lot of money but this brings me back around to the topic in a way -  kids picking a college solely based off club hockey, on campus rinks etc - it’s nuts. You can see when parents are spending that kind of money how the politics start to creep in, going back to the topic I suppose. 

PSU is such a bad example, they have so many applications they don’t give out much. PITT is starting to get to that level from what I’m told. looking at niche you can see schools like iup, sru, cal, etc are all around 15k a year after aid. Ohio U is showing 33k for out of state after aid, Miami is 35k, Kent state is 25k. (These are averages)

local private schools in pa are all over the place. Mercyhurst is showing 35k after aid, rmu 25k.  
 

Wvu shows an average out of state price of 35k. 

These prices do not take into consideration the students federal loans as more “aid”. 

@fafa fohi what did it cost on average a year for your kid at OU ? friend in Ohio who’s kid is graduating this year pays 24k a year in state. 

1 hour ago, Saucey said:

I think you missed my point. The Pa schools are EXPENSIVE. Even factoring in our of state tuition, a lot of Ohio schools offer enough in aid to be comparable to or less expensive than Pa schools. Has nothing to do with hockey politics. Maybe you know one family that got shafted. I sincerely doubt it is the wide swath you want to paint.

It is. 
 

yes, pa schools & college in general are at an all time high but the Ohio (or any out of state) schools don’t give up enough money to leave the state and have a similar cost comparison. It’s much more expensive to leave PA for college, this is due to PA passing a law in 2020. PA also doesn’t fund its own state schools enough imo. 

Completely missing my point, obviously you didn’t look to see how many pa kids are paying out of state tuition to play in an example such as the state of ohio (small example at that). 

9 minutes ago, Saucey said:

Actually, Danner, I doubt the kids who would play ACHA club hockey are leaving the area specifically to go to another school to play club hockey somewhere else. Pitt, Duquesne and PSU are very expensive to go to and good out of state schools are frequently cheaper. Ohio has so many schools, for instance. Plus Pitt and PSU Main have become super hard to get into. It's actually pretty terrible that a good Pa student with decent SAT scores can expect that it will still be hard to get into the big Pa schools. I would submit that decisions are being made more based on those reasons than wanting to play club hockey at Pitt/Duquesne and not being able to based on politics. That doesn't really make sense, actually.

Oh no, they are. Take a look around. This issue is a compound between local politics & parents still wanting to live through their kids to some degree. Miami, Ohio U, Kent just in Ohio alone. There are kids going as far as Colorado. Families paying over 35k a year to go out of state just to play acha hockey. It’s crazy. 
 

I am not saying the coach at Duquesne is a bad guy (like the rmu guy). What I am saying is parent politics are creeping into local acha hockey. It’s happening at every western pa school to a degree, just much stronger at some. 

14 minutes ago, theconradwaite said:

It’s in the first post of the thread that I quoted. He said that RMU & DUQ are the biggest offenders locally. 
 

-conrad 

Since you felt the need to come on here to reply - proves my point even more. It’s like those montour board memebers that showed up here - guilty. I’m sure you are a nice person, im sure 90% of what you said is true but it doesn’t change anything about the politics creeping into the local acha hockey. That’s why many western pa kids are leaving the area and paying out of state tuition (stupid move imo - just don’t play) the players & parents see the same politics they watched go on during 10 years of youth hockey. It’s almost spring, ya better start putting that vengeance money grab together. 

12 minutes ago, Flavio said:

Danner, you self identify as someone who has pull on a message board. I have pull in real life. Nobody thinks Montour is clean, but everyone sees the timing of this for what it is. 

Bring it to light in November - no one bats an eye. Bring it to light now - you’re a rat who was looking for a come uppence at the expense of innocent kids. 

 

Simple as. Toodles. 
 

- F 

I don’t have any pull  - just friends & associates through out the years.  

15 minutes ago, Flavio said:

All of the sudden the turds I’m calling out have talked to other AA and AAA coaches lol 

 

You weasels are all the same and this is your only medium to make your hollow points. You get laughed at in person, and you atleast have the self awareness to realize it. So continue on with your narrative here, this is the only place is appears to be standing. Walk into ice castle and say the same thing, you’re going to get an eye roll and some blank stares. 
 

- Flavi Flav

If you go back to the first day of this thread - I mentioned my info was coming from PIHL AA coaches, turd. At this point - you are just talking to yourself, yelling at the clouds. 

6 minutes ago, Flavio said:

There is so much bitch made stuff that goes on like this in the Pittsburgh hockey community. Not so much in AAA, but PAHL and high school hockey. Just absolute weasels always circling the wagon. It’s nausea inducing. I feel whole heartedly for the people who have to deal with these kind of shit heads every season. It’s not as prevalent in AAA travel, as you aren’t around other teams enough to inspire the weaseling, but the teams playing locally - god do some of you people have to put up with more than enough. It’s always some conspiracy in PAHL and High School. Always have a network of male karens checking the other teams birth certificates or whether the ref is up to date on his certifications. 
 

 

Ok we found the montour parent who has a kid playing “AAA” for the icemen, predator’s or vengance.

Seriously flav, we get it. You are another montour parent. Everyone here has gone over and over what the issue is & why it happened. You are literally beating a dead horse. Montour is out. I don’t see the injunction they are filing with the courts doing anything but dragging their own name through the mud longer. You montour folks don’t think PIHL is prepared for things of this nature ? They wouldn’t have DQ the team and denied the appeal if they had any fear blame was on them. I’ve been talking to few coaches in AAA & AA - they all say the same thing - montour got caught. One told me the montour board doesn’t not have a registrar, how is that possible ? Sounds like the org was ruined by parents, now run by incompetent parents.  

18 minutes ago, Ihearthockey said:

I still see A populated on the homepage

Interesting - maybe a website glitch. Last I heard, montour’s board planned on fililing with the allegeheny county court system. 

All PIHL playoff brackets are now currently empty ?

It’s my understanding montour never listed the kid as a transfer for the opening roster. Their defense during the appeal was - the kid is not in HS yet, he was in 8th grade, he’s not a transfer student, he doesn’t have to sit out a year.  montour tried to use the PIAA rules to go under the radar (it appears) not realizing hockey is a club sport - PIHL functions outside the realm of the PIAA. 

14 minutes ago, PirateMan said:

It’s sad that the team that had more goals than any other team by 20 can’t play because of this. Easily the one of if not the best group of skaters in A.

I’m going to guess montour being moved down to A factored into this equation. That team wouldn’t be scoring like that in AA. 
 

that moon situation a few years back really burned pihl, made them look bad. 
 

peppridge farms doesn’t forget. 

15 minutes ago, Stackthepads said:

Saying that “it does not pertain to foreign students” is not an explanation but rather a statement.  Is there something else written on the site?  Enlighten me please…

EDUCATION VISA’s 

1 hour ago, PirateMan said:

Some of you guys might be the biggest losers I've ever seen. @Danner27, genuine question, when you get home from work is the first thing you do hop on the great western pa hockey forum. Like find a real hobby jeez. I clicked on your comments cause you 1.2k of them and god they're hard to look at. Bro thinks hes some alpha male on this random ass forum cause he uses big words and always "talked to a guy" about a topic. You argue with the same 10 losers over random bullshit. It's just comical. That's it.

The truth hurts eh ? You don’t like that I know the facts ? 
 

I am basically retired,  sold my company a few years back. I still consult for them, along with others in my old industry if you really need to know. 

sorry it bothers you I have ok grammer. 
 

Admittedly, I’m a guy still trying to let go of hockey since both my boys have been done.  I spent most of my adult life in rinks. This board gives me an outlet to sometimes help new hockey parents, or as you said, argue with some. But I’m still pretty connected and made a lot of friends along the way.

but what you really don’t like - I found the truth! 

3 hours ago, Ihearthockey said:

To keep it from getting buried....

The student is a billeted player, unless a court-appointed guardianship is in place between the player and the hostfamily. This does not pertain to foreign students who have been approved by USA Hockey

Is the student a billet, living with somebody other than his parents out of state for the purposes of playing hockey? YES/NO

Did the student's parents sign over guardianship to the billet family? YES/NO

Did Montour submit the paperwork to have this student treated as an exception to the Athletic Intent rule? YES/NO

Did PIHL approve the exception paperwork? YES/NO

Seems pretty straightforward to me.  

As you saw from the montour posters (I was acually told by someone involved) - their stance is the kid wasn’t a transfer  because he did not start HS yet. I think montours attorney friend’s looked at PIAA and didn’t realize hockey is not under that umbrella, these people thought they found a loop hole. They also do not realize the rules are different for visa transfers. 
 

in the end, montour needed a goalie, found one. They knew if he was considered a transfer he would have to sit a year. They tried to skirt the rules, thinking they found a loophole & got caught. But I’m still sticking with my theory pihl is not going to want to hold the playoffs up or deal with the litigation. 

Like I said - pr spam mission to bury the relevant discussion. 

2 minutes ago, hockeyisgreat said:

 

That might make you qualified to talk about hockey!  Not sure why you think you are "overqualified"?  Are you one of those people who (thinks he) knows it all?

I thought I was the one around here that thinks they know everything ? Watch it with age defamation boys - I’m offended!!! ? 

14 minutes ago, Danner27 said:

And there is your technicality - hockey is a club sport - it’s not run by the PIAA. 
 

that is called knowing the goalie would not be allowed but what loophole can we find. 

My reply to the montour folks here claiming you can’t be a transfer student if you didn’t start HS yet. Personally I think montour’s defense is an insult to PIHL, it shows they were trying to skirt the rules. He was a freshman 3 weeks after moving into his billet home. I’m sure practice started before the school year to! Most varsity teams have skates over the summer, full team practices usually begin the last week of July / first week of august. It’s been years for me. I wouldn’t doubt if some teams practice all summer at this point - this is not the PIAA.