Hockey22

2 hours ago, Otis said:

I hope the young lady will be comfortable with all that attention. She may feel a lot of pressure and feel like she's under a microscope. The intentions are sincere, but it may be risky not knowing her personality/wishes. Sometimes a victim of an assault needs some space. Many don't come forward for a long time. I haven't seen any evidence that anyone posting here or anywhere else has offered anything but good intentions, but I wouldn't be sure that this will work out as well as we hope.

I assure you that Mars was contacted and a conversation was had.  A lot of players know and play with her. A lot of players know players on the Mars team and the coach. ALL PIHL coaches know each other and most board members. These players play together outside of PIHL weekly. The implication of ill intensions is head scratching. 

BTW...You realize they moved the event to a larger venue as teams and players are coming from all over. It's on Yahoo news, TMZ and an Olympian tweeted about it. 

32 minutes ago, Lifelongbender said:

The next Mars game is Monday, November 8, at 8:00 PM, at Lemieux. PIHL is expecting a LARGE turnout supporting the Mars goalie, so they moved it from Baierl to Lemieux to accommodate the crowd. It would be amazing for a huge crowd to show up for this game, to support the goalie, but also to make a statement that the sort of behavior that occurred at Belmont is not accepted by the Pittsburgh area hockey community, and also that this sort of thing will not be tolerated. Several of the local 12U and 14U girls teams are planning to attend the game as a team.

Good on PIHL and the rinks for making this change in support of the player.

I hear that Seneca Valley, North Allegheny and Pine Richland Varsity teams will all be there to show their support as well as show the community that hockey is for everyone and the events at the Armstrong game are not tolerated nor acceptable to other teams/players/coaches/fans in our area. 

1 hour ago, 3 Boys said:

No, don't fit that scenario at all, especially when you have texts from the head coach at the end of the season praising your son and his play.  Sounds like you are might be one of the ones whose involved in the political end there which is fine.  People know the truth.  

I'd believe you pulling a rabbit out of a hat more than what you post on this board. 

And you are accurate. People know the truth. Unfortunately you appear to not be one of them.  Head back to Facebook for your rants.  And to quote some youth baseball coach in Pittsburgh who I can't remember his name, but will never forget his quote  "you can't cross a bridge if you burn it down...and by the way, fire spreads"

23 minutes ago, hockeyisgreat said:

You must obviously have a connection to Icemen to launch such a personal attack on someone.  Why don't you attack all the people that comment about PPE, Preds, Esmark etc.  Forums are for opinions and last I checked this was a free country. Personally I value what I hear on this forum but also take it with a grain of salt knowing that a lot of people might have had some of what they consider bad experiences where their kids played in the past.  Just my opinion for the nothing that it is worth.

Read 3 boys other comments in the past 2 months and then comment. All 3 boys does is personally attack, and frankly sounds like a discounted pens elite spring team 10u parent (yes, read into the sarcasm of spring team pens elite)

Fun fact. Parents factor into all sports and kids making teams. 3 boys should pull out a mirror. If a player is not going to make an expadential difference vs a player whose parents don't cause issues (text coach during game complaining, attacks them at the rink yelling, insults other kids in the stands, leaves the rink in a frenzy if his kid isn't on the ice when THEY think they should be, coaches their kid and tells them to do the opposite of an actual coach, hence hurting the team), the player will be looking for a new home all to no fault of their own. Sounds like 3 boys fits that scenario. And their player is old enough to know it.

It comes down to, 3 boys is a prime example of why this sport is a shit show. Let your kid be a kid, let your kid play the sport they love without interfering, without causing a ruckus at every turn, let them learn life lessons and consequences of their decisions and just enjoy  watching them play before it's too late and you are an empty nester coming to this board to cause drama to give yourself something to do in your free time. 

51 minutes ago, 3 Boys said:

What? The Icemen U18 team will again be in the bottom 10% of the rankings.  The goalie is not outstanding, I would say he is solid.  The younger goalie is solid as well.  Neither are outstanding.  Both U16 and U18 teams last year finished in the bottom 5%, maybe 10% of the rankings so not sure what would make you think they will be better this year.  Some of the forwards are not bad, most of them small size but can move.  Defense is pretty bad. They took 4 of the defensemen that were on the U16 team last year, 2 of which were horrible, one has great skill/hockey IQ and is super tough but lacks quickness and speed. The problem they are going to have when playing any AAA team ranked higher than 80 will not being able to keep up with the skating.   Though with the addition of the new head coach from Slippery Rock may help some.  Just not enough, this is a game of speed at the higher levels and the Icemen don't have that where they need it.

Reading through your post, it appears like your hatred for Icemen is personal.  And being that we know one of your boys played for them, it is clearly personal. When someone has that much hate for anything, and spends that much time bitching/talking/posting about it, it is because they feel like they have been wronged.  Maybe you should find something else to make you happy? Maybe some hockey dad therapy?  Maybe focus on something that doesn't make you such a nasty human? No need to at me or respond as that would just validate my hypothesis.  And reading through your other post - they are not factual.  Seriously, you are a grown ass man who clearly is lacking something in your life oh, and arguable - you know nothing about the sport either based on your breakdowns of players.  But keep on dad coaching from the sidelines, I'm sure actual coaches trying to teach players the correct way to play love your input...SMH  

On 6/29/2021 at 10:32 PM, NPGH Director of Hockey said:

That's correct

@sadday4hockey I'm following you. That year they had the varsity "tournament team"  All kids left NP who played NA hockey that year. I believe it was 2018-19 season maybe? I remember that season and the talks around NA doing the hybrid PIHL/Tourney team and why players left amateur teams. So your statement appears accurate. 

On 5/31/2021 at 6:08 PM, dazedandconfused said:

It appears as though though the same fate as Esmark 06 may have befell the Icemen 05 group. Last week there was a roster on the website and then...... there wasn't

That is a large assumption on your part and 100% inaccurate. 

2 hours ago, fafa fohi said:

Not wanting to turn this into a political discussion, but facts are facts.

Check out 2018 results from the 17th Congressional district which Conor Lamb won, US Senate and Governor.  This includes Pine, Warrendale, Wexford and Franklin Park districts that voted heavy on the Democratic side.  For the 2016 General, Hillary won by 16%.

https://www.politico.com/election-results/2018/pennsylvania/

https://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president/pennsylvania/

Dude. Read what I wrote. I'm not sure people living around the rink who don't even know there is a rink there have any influence in what a rink does. You need to find another hobby vs this board.   

11 hours ago, fafa fohi said:

That may be true, however Baierl and Neville are located in communities that are “Democrat central” yet those rinks are open with 5/5, full benches and spectators.

My point is he makes it political when it fits his agenda, and I find it comical him and others not acknowledging what Wolf did in reversing his position when all Benji-Danner did was bash him on this and other threads for months.  

Baierl, Democrat central... Um, not so much. 

12 minutes ago, fafa fohi said:

“That community is Democrat central, I would not be surprised.”........So effing what, Benji?  You keep up with the political bullshit only when it’s convenient for you.  The sport is moving forward here in PA and not a word from you on Wolfie changing his position on inside gatherings?  The last time I checked, things look back to normal for youth hockey, but contrary to your constant ramblings that nothing would start until November or worse, next year.  Could it be you were wrong yet again?    

And I quote - “Expect info from PIHL at the end of October.”

Tell that to the PIHL teams that played 5 on 5 this evening with full benches and spectators.  

I cant believe I'm defending @Danner27 right now. But his statement has merritt...pihl did in fact play 5v5....but if your team played at lebo, no fans were inside watching vs other rinks where fans were watching. So his post has some merit. 

Please note: I'm not starting a political argument with you....Or any argument and won't. Just stating a fact that mt lebo does not permit fans which other rinks do, so his post is not off the wall crazy based on what we all have witnessed in pa over the last few months....

14 minutes ago, fafa fohi said:

@TourneyGuy Can you verify season fee cost of $4,800 is for each player or for an entire team.......

I can verify that, that is the team fee. 

32 minutes ago, nemesis8679 said:

If that's the case, I would have signed my kid up in a second. Is this per team, not player? Also would have pushed the board to go in this direction. Is this being marketed well? How are we only hearing about it now, shortly before it starts? I can't see people NOT wanting this if that's really the case. I'm paying between $1000 and $2000 right now for a middle school team, which is per player. 

Although I'd bet the biggest obstacle would be the schools with jv/v teams in pihl not wanting to upset pihl. 

This is basically replacing PIHL games for MS teams who can't make a pihl roster due to the 25% rule. The cost for their games is less than PIHLs assessed fees (roughly $800).  This is most likely due to not playing at rinks who may have higher ice fees (lmx for example) However, you need to realize these teams still practice and are part of their school associations (just not playing PIHL) and that ice is paid by their associations, so in reality it's about the same cost/player as they would be paying if playing in PIHL. 

3 minutes ago, Quinlan2020 said:

The closures in the Spring were justified. It saved us from having more catastrophic results. We all saw what happened in Bergamo, Italy & Madrid, Spain. The fools that deem them unconstitutional do not acknowledge that. That being said, It is not practical to go back to such measures. It's obvious that the medical advances have made Covid-19 more tolerable and more people are masking now. The economy is already open despite what some say. Yes, there still restrictions, but they are much more relaxed now and enforcement hasn't been very aggressive. A lot of people want them all to go away like someone turning a switch. The phased approach is much more practical, so that the effects can be seen before progressing to the next step. We just started opening schools/colleges, indoor dining and high school sports are kicking into full swing. There are even some fans allowed at events now. I anticipate more restrictions being lifted if things don't go sour. Have a little patience. I think will get to the place we all want to be a lot quicker if we just do things methodically.

So what is the next phase after green? oh, there is not one.  So we just sit and wait until wolfey dictates (I'm sorry, his unexperienced staff decides) that we can have more than 25 people in an ice hockey rink which is 200- by 85-feet: that's 17,000 square feet of space just in the playing surface, with the overall averaging 25,000 Square feet.....But no, he has no plans, he has no road map, he has nothing..... 

On 9/6/2020 at 11:43 PM, PUCKCOVID19 said:

yes!!! you are correct their rinks opened up Wednesday and Thursday of this past week. 2 parents per player MAX!!!  

With players wearing MASKS on the ice - They are going to have a hard time getting teams to come play in MI with this stipulation...fro MAYA website (https://www.maha.org/news_article/show/1121369) 

"As you know, on Thursday the Michigan Governor issued Executive Orders 175  and 176 that provide for a process to restart hockey and other youth sports in Michigan. Part of that EO requires that all athletes except swimmers where a “facial covering” while on the “field of play.” EO 2020-176.7(b).  You may also be aware that the USA Hockey Safety Committee has published information on helmet face shields and masks that indicate that the CDC and WHO believe wearing a cloth mask during high intensity aerobic activity is not recommended.  The Michigan Department of Health and Human Services (MDHHS) has issued similar guidance.  While the CDC, WHO an MDHHS have provided recommendations, the Governor’s current order seems inconsistent with those recommendations, as well as similar guidance from the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services (MDHHS).  We also do not know whether the exceptions in Executive Order 153 addressing when a face covering is not required apply to Executive Order 176.  

MAHA, and others organizations, are seeking further clarification on EO 2020-176.  Until such time as the government issues a clarification or change this is what we must follow if we plan to resume play on September 9. MAHA is not requiring any more than what is set out in EO 2020-176.  Some of the feedback we have received indicates that other organizations would not require this Executive Order to be followed. I can assure you that they’re required to follow these same guidelines, and I would be very leery of an organization that is not taking this order and the safety of participants seriously.

While wearing facial covering may not be ideal in the opinion of some, similar standards are being enforced on DI college football teams that are practicing as well as in youth hockey in Colorado and Massachusetts (face offs only). We aware of at least one hockey equipment manufacturer that has facial coverings that attach to the inside of a mask with may be a more preferential option for our sport. Unfortunately, we are hearing that product will not be available until early October. 

MAHA wants our membership to return to the ice on September 9. To do that we must follow the EO’s that are in place until such time as they change. We have worked hard for months to get hockey back to this point where we can restart activity.  At this time, MAHA is of the position that a facial covering is required while on the ice but we expect further clarification in the near future.  MAHA believes this can be accomplished in a number of ways and it is up to the participant to comply with current requirements.  To ignore Executive Orders could lead to hockey being shut back down before it gets going. As you know this has been a very fluid situation with changes occurring on a regular basis. Parents certainly have the right to withhold participation of the players if they feel the guidelines may cause health issues for their son or daughter. "

@Danner27. Your killing me!  Lol, spill it...its not like he will know, hahah, he is no longer here.  

It's really hard to answer the question not knowing what the allegation is. I advise taking the safesport course, it's free, and it tells you what needs to be reported.  I have realized that some people think safe sport encompasses everything...from my little Crosby isn't getting ice time to (insert harshest actual safe sport matter here). Some things should be reported to a safesport coordinator, some to the board, some even to authorities. And If it involves a child and abuse, any person who is affiliated with the org in a position of power (coach, board, manager, safesport coordinator) needs to report it immediately. 

So your question, though I understand you are looking for advice, truly is just opening a flood of post that may be irrelevant not knowing the situation. (And let's face it, the people you are talking about have probably been identified by someone reading this board, or they read it themselves already)

https://www.usahockey.com/safesportprogram

9 hours ago, PPEFAN said:

 People SHOULD BE and ARE held accountable for services rendered, which is up to the point where you leave. Again, far more organizations and coaches have failed to live up to the expectations of what families should receive for their sons and daughters. When have the Icemen, PPE, Esmark Stars, Vengeance, etc etc been held accountable?   Should people get a refund when their kid doesn’t play, when promises are broken or when expectations aren’t met? If so, ppe should give those 18u people their money back right now! 

Look this shit is corrupt as fuck! Last thing I wanna hear is some kiss ass (hockey22) preach his self righteous arrogance about how people should honor their commitment. Fuck that shit!

self righteous arrogance...,yet you agree that people should be held accountable - which was the point I was making-- you make a commitment, expect consequences of leaving.  At no point did I say my loyalty is to any team, or any coach....I was simply saying if you commit to something, expect a consequence otherwise you are not teaching your kids.  Call me as many names as you want...your points are all jaded by your anger. God, Family. Country. 

7 hours ago, Danner27 said:

In your answer below, now you say the 16a did ? Which is it ? The icemen post looking for kids for teams was linked a few posts back. 

Are you an idiot?  Your post was not factual. End of story. At no point did I ever say one team wasn't looking for kids during the season. You said all season 03 &04. That is not factual. You are a complete idiot. 

3 hours ago, Danner27 said:

I know a lot of people, been around for a long time. 

Clearly evident in your factual comments. (Sarcasm)

3 hours ago, Danner27 said:

Two kids that play off and on are from Lawrence county.

Again. That was for one team. The 16u team. The 04 team is the 15uo team. Just give up... I'm pretty sure everyone but you realized I have the facts and you are on the outside spewing rumors. Was your kid not asked to play with them? Cause that would makes sense....your lack of facts is clearly evident. Find another post to get hard on.  

3 hours ago, Danner27 said:

13 skaters period. Others are added for games / tournaments. Right from the dads mouth! 

Again. I'm not sure how you are missing that you are spouting fake news. 03 & 04 teams would be defined as 16u and 15uo. Both teams were not looking for kids nor did both teams only have 13 skaters. Educate yourself my friend. Or live in the bubble of the Excel delusion. Either way, I'm just glad I don't know you. 

39 minutes ago, Danner27 said:

Look I know two kids on the 16u iceman, one is from excel. They have 13 skaters and constantly were bringing different kids in to play tournaments. 

This was the statement I said was not factual

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" Just this season the 04 & 03 teams had plenty of spots open...:

That is NOT factual. Having one portion of a sentence FACT and the other FALSE makes it a FALSE statement.

49 minutes ago, PPEFAN said:

Get the fuck out of here with your morally superior bullshit! FAR MORE times have kids and families been screwed over and lied to by these organizations and the scum bag coaches that they chose to run their teams! Kids and families are routinely held hostage to these terrible people over their “commitment”. Countless kids ride the bench and get treated like shit at the hands of these money hungry or WIN driven coaches and organizations! Pathetically, it’s not just at the tier 1 level either!

There is zero loyalty from organizations as they shamelessly take thousands of dollars out of the hands of families. Families who are paying for a service, for their sons or daughters to be taught the game of hockey and more importantly to be treated with respect! 

Shut the fuck up and go ahead and be proud of yourself and your family values. But don’t sit here and project your bullshit onto other people for doing what’s best for their family too! Asshole

I am not engaging with you other than to say you need to take your meds. The way you act is a clear representation of why I'm going to sit on my high horse and teach my kid not to end up like you. He actually laughed and said "ok Boomer. You and Karen can go ahead and live your angry life". 

18 minutes ago, HSFBLJ said:

I agree with Hockey22 about the commitment.  Don't except the position if you're not sure it is the team you want to play on.  Hockey22 you are being naive if you don't think kids get special treatment.

Not naive, I just think they are throwing shade in the wrong direction due to some underlying hatred they hold...and what I know are rumors as I saw one on another thread. I was just emphasising that there are more rumors than facts. Rumors spread, most of the time facts don't spread as quickly. 

39 minutes ago, Danner27 said:

What you are missing - programs like the icemen never have a full team to begin with. Just this season the 04 & 03 teams had plenty of spots open, I believe they even posted on this message board looking for “players to round out our teams”. 

That's not factual... and what am I missing?? That the premise of teaching our youth of today what commitment means is that it is only relevant if what they commit to is full?

So, according to you,  what I am missing is...if my kid commits to let's say volunteering with the Mighty Pens Sled Team, it's only a real commitment if they have a full team of volunteers that day, but if they don't have a full team of volunteers, he doesn't have to live up to that commitment?  

Nice...