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PS - read my reply above about the pervious head of HR for my previous company. Very similar to what you are saying. I would like to add, we know plenty of kids that went to a school for club hockey only to drop out or fail out in a year or two. One is a master plumber now making more money then me lol

I can tell you as someone who’s job was to find the right candidates before I started my own company - I didn’t care where the person got their degree - the interview, how they presented, their demeanor along with knowledge defined my criteria for who I sent up the ladder. In this day & age, it doesn’t matter much were you get your BA/BS unless you are in something specialized. The previous head of HR for my previous company (who I didn’t higher) went to community college AS - slippery rock BA, she got her masters while employeed by said company (I think it was rmu I was already gone at this point) but now she works for Boeing. Point is - when it comes to an undergrad, not many care unless they are an alum from the school. It’s about what the person learned, not where they went.

If I recall correctly the total cost was around 19k a year before scholarships and grants. This is my child that doesn’t play any sports, his aid package was grandfathered in before the merger.

I agree - some are paid postions in pihl - Parents are paying these salaries in their fees!

PSU is crazy. What you’ve posted I’ve been hearing for a few years. People getting into debt (or paying) over 120K for a undergrad degree. in your case, it still cost you and your son 100k for an undergrad. I’ve got a friend who’s kid graduated from miami, 5 years to get his business BA - 146k. He’s regretting let the kid go there, wanted him to stay in state (Michigan). It was completely a club hockey decesion. Sure, the kid had a blast playing but now between the kids federal loans and the parent loans they are trying to figure out how to pay them off. It’s not sounding good. One of my kids (never played sports) is graduating from clarion. It ended up costing 14k a year while he was living on campus, the last two years he had an apartment with some friends - the cost dropped to 9k a year with his rent. Now we are going way off topic - even my kid at a state school such as clarion paying 46k for an undergrad is a lot of money but this brings me back around to the topic in a way - kids picking a college solely based off club hockey, on campus rinks etc - it’s nuts. You can see when parents are spending that kind of money how the politics start to creep in, going back to the topic I suppose.

PSU is such a bad example, they have so many applications they don’t give out much. PITT is starting to get to that level from what I’m told. looking at niche you can see schools like iup, sru, cal, etc are all around 15k a year after aid. Ohio U is showing 33k for out of state after aid, Miami is 35k, Kent state is 25k. (These are averages) local private schools in pa are all over the place. Mercyhurst is showing 35k after aid, rmu 25k. Wvu shows an average out of state price of 35k. These prices do not take into consideration the students federal loans as more “aid”. @fafa fohi what did it cost on average a year for your kid at OU ? friend in Ohio who’s kid is graduating this year pays 24k a year in state.

It is. yes, pa schools & college in general are at an all time high but the Ohio (or any out of state) schools don’t give up enough money to leave the state and have a similar cost comparison. It’s much more expensive to leave PA for college, this is due to PA passing a law in 2020. PA also doesn’t fund its own state schools enough imo.

Completely missing my point, obviously you didn’t look to see how many pa kids are paying out of state tuition to play in an example such as the state of ohio (small example at that).

Oh no, they are. Take a look around. This issue is a compound between local politics & parents still wanting to live through their kids to some degree. Miami, Ohio U, Kent just in Ohio alone. There are kids going as far as Colorado. Families paying over 35k a year to go out of state just to play acha hockey. It’s crazy. I am not saying the coach at Duquesne is a bad guy (like the rmu guy). What I am saying is parent politics are creeping into local acha hockey. It’s happening at every western pa school to a degree, just much stronger at some.

Since you felt the need to come on here to reply - proves my point even more. It’s like those montour board memebers that showed up here - guilty. I’m sure you are a nice person, im sure 90% of what you said is true but it doesn’t change anything about the politics creeping into the local acha hockey. That’s why many western pa kids are leaving the area and paying out of state tuition (stupid move imo - just don’t play) the players & parents see the same politics they watched go on during 10 years of youth hockey. It’s almost spring, ya better start putting that vengeance money grab together.

I don’t have any pull - just friends & associates through out the years.

If you go back to the first day of this thread - I mentioned my info was coming from PIHL AA coaches, turd. At this point - you are just talking to yourself, yelling at the clouds.

Ok we found the montour parent who has a kid playing “AAA” for the icemen, predator’s or vengance.

Seriously flav, we get it. You are another montour parent. Everyone here has gone over and over what the issue is & why it happened. You are literally beating a dead horse. Montour is out. I don’t see the injunction they are filing with the courts doing anything but dragging their own name through the mud longer. You montour folks don’t think PIHL is prepared for things of this nature ? They wouldn’t have DQ the team and denied the appeal if they had any fear blame was on them. I’ve been talking to few coaches in AAA & AA - they all say the same thing - montour got caught. One told me the montour board doesn’t not have a registrar, how is that possible ? Sounds like the org was ruined by parents, now run by incompetent parents.

Interesting - maybe a website glitch. Last I heard, montour’s board planned on fililing with the allegeheny county court system.

All PIHL playoff brackets are now currently empty ?

It’s my understanding montour never listed the kid as a transfer for the opening roster. Their defense during the appeal was - the kid is not in HS yet, he was in 8th grade, he’s not a transfer student, he doesn’t have to sit out a year. montour tried to use the PIAA rules to go under the radar (it appears) not realizing hockey is a club sport - PIHL functions outside the realm of the PIAA.

I’m going to guess montour being moved down to A factored into this equation. That team wouldn’t be scoring like that in AA. that moon situation a few years back really burned pihl, made them look bad. peppridge farms doesn’t forget.

EDUCATION VISA’s

The truth hurts eh ? You don’t like that I know the facts ? I am basically retired, sold my company a few years back. I still consult for them, along with others in my old industry if you really need to know. sorry it bothers you I have ok grammer. Admittedly, I’m a guy still trying to let go of hockey since both my boys have been done. I spent most of my adult life in rinks. This board gives me an outlet to sometimes help new hockey parents, or as you said, argue with some. But I’m still pretty connected and made a lot of friends along the way. but what you really don’t like - I found the truth!

As you saw from the montour posters (I was acually told by someone involved) - their stance is the kid wasn’t a transfer because he did not start HS yet. I think montours attorney friend’s looked at PIAA and didn’t realize hockey is not under that umbrella, these people thought they found a loop hole. They also do not realize the rules are different for visa transfers. in the end, montour needed a goalie, found one. They knew if he was considered a transfer he would have to sit a year. They tried to skirt the rules, thinking they found a loophole & got caught. But I’m still sticking with my theory pihl is not going to want to hold the playoffs up or deal with the litigation.

Like I said - pr spam mission to bury the relevant discussion.

I thought I was the one around here that thinks they know everything ? Watch it with age defamation boys - I’m offended!!! ?

My reply to the montour folks here claiming you can’t be a transfer student if you didn’t start HS yet. Personally I think montour’s defense is an insult to PIHL, it shows they were trying to skirt the rules. He was a freshman 3 weeks after moving into his billet home. I’m sure practice started before the school year to! Most varsity teams have skates over the summer, full team practices usually begin the last week of July / first week of august. It’s been years for me. I wouldn’t doubt if some teams practice all summer at this point - this is not the PIAA.

And there is your technicality - hockey is a club sport - it’s not run by the PIAA. that is called knowing the goalie would not be allowed but what loophole can we find.