Quinlan2020

So true. That's probably why the restaurants got dinged with the harsher restrictions a couple months ago. Most were complying, but the few rebels ruined it for everyone.

What would be a good compromise? Some states have more strict restrictions. Some have less. The only things closed now are bars. Is there something other than the 25 person limit that you feel needs to change?

I understand what you are saying. I don't agree that it is being sensationalized. It's a global pandemic. The US isn't the only country considering this a major crisis/catastrophe. I would hope that we would not wait until hospitals are stretched to react. There are a lot of folks that feel as you do, but telling the other people to move on and not worry just won't work. We can't change each others mind on this. Do you not think that things would get even worse if we just went back to 2019 style of living. Cases would rise dramatically. many more people would die and the economy would struggle even more. I guess you don't see it that way. We have to try and meet in the middle somewhere to get through this.

I understand your frustration. I am not judging those that have truly suffered during this time. I hope you and your family get back on your feet. This board is about discussing the effects on hockey. It's a very minor issue compared to what you are going through. I am sorry. I have obviously offended some. It was never my intention to minimize any personal suffering.

I don't know if 25 is OK or not. Those decisions aren't something I am qualified to make. I will say that it seems unreasonable to me that the number 25 is used no matter if you are in someone's house or in a 15,000 square foot building. So if they feel that 25 is adequate for a house, it should be higher for an ice arena. Green Phase was a big failure this summer and that's why these restrictions are in place. We can thank the beach goers, bar hoppers & grad parties for this situation. The people failed to use common sense when we had the opportunity. It is very reasonable to ask for more leniency with the restrictions that are applied to ice rinks. I just am not so quick to blame government for where we are at with this. I hope that the people in charge at the state & county level will give this another look now that the situation in our area has improved. I can just understand why they are hesitant considering the bad behavior of the summer. I just don't feel it is in the kids best interest to get angry about all this. It is what it is. I would be hoping for the best but willing to work within the restrictions if necessary.

I won't get into the name-calling battle here. The hardship I was speaking of was in relation to Covid. I regret if you have had hardship in your past. I was not my intention to judge the substance of your entire life. I am sorry that you are comfortable referring to me as weak and pathetic because my opinion/approach to getting to the same place we all desire is different than yours.

What was the ratio I specified? I know that there are too many of your type that are sweating the small stuff because you haven't had true hardship. I enjoy hearing about how to solve these hockey problems, but I have things in perspective enough to realize that there is not some conspiracy in place to oppress people involved in sports.

My world isn't shut down. Almost everything is open. Life is just a little different now. There is really nothing that I can't do now that I could do before. It's just a matter of being a little careful for the good of all civilization. What Covid-related hardships are you having right now? The people that are out of work or have a failing business are suffering. Others are just being big babies about making some minor adjustments to their lives.

That's totally false. I contend that the majority of kids will be happy playing with restrictions (4 vs 4, 9 skaters, etc...) if we stay positive and not try to convince them that their government refuses to let them have fun. I am not saying we shouldn't strive to reach another, more fun, solution that health officials/government will permit. I am just tired of the minimizing of this crisis and whining about sacrifices. Then the political, talk radio BS gets thrown in so everyone can feast on the red meat.

Just the opposite. I have been saying that it can work, but the freedom fighters will get in the way of any resolution unless they get close to 100% of what they want.

I guess I'm just peeing in your kool-aid. Don't worry most of your friends here will still drink it. You know that all my points are valid and represent the majority of US citizens. That's why my presence bothers you.

I don't whine about any fears. I just make the case that you're simplified view of the situation is not reality. Everyone has different levels of fear and the decisions were talking about affect the masses. People need to work toward a solution for a problem that hasn't been seen by any living generations.

It's not going to change anyone's mind about Wolf. Politics have become cult-like. People swear unconditional loyalty. I just don't get it but it seems to be that way more & more.

The Wolf bashing is red meat for this forum but it won't actually get anything done. I want a fair solution to this. People like you that get out there with the King Wolf/dictator stuff will only hurt the cause. It just creates more division and makes you sound like a big baby.

People at this meeting at Center Ice Arena, will be basically asking for the speed limit (max indoor gathering capacity) to be raised. I personally think that is a reasonable request considering the square footage of an ice arena. I do not think a hockey game in a big building is in the same category as an indoor social gathering.

We should be allowed to speed if we choose. It's a choice that me and my family should be able to make. If you're afraid of speeders, then stay home.

I understand. I'm really torn about it all, but sometimes I get the impression that everyone expects everyone else to make the sacrifices. It's just a big complicated mess and a lot of people want someone else to clean it up while they continue to party. I hope your son gets to play a full season this year. My opinions are different than yours, but ultimately, I want the kids to play just like you. I'm just not as sure the restrictions in place are a bad idea. They might be overkill. I always error on the side lower risk when it's something I really don't know much about.

Dreams? OK. What percent are going to realize those dreams that their parents put in their head? They will have fun if we let them. Or you can keep telling them that the government is out to spoil their life. Take them down to an empty parking lot and play roller hockey for a couple months if you have to. I have coached all ages and notice that the ones having the most fun are the ones that have their parents there supporting them but not pushing them toward any dreams. The kids that are good enough won't let this beat them down. They will overcome this perceived incredible hardship. I hope we get to play. We'll be better off if the complainer parents decide to quit. I just feel bad for the kids that will get brainwashed into thinking that they are too good to have fun with the others.

I agree. It's sad what's happening to many businesses. These restrictions are a lot like chemotherapy. The chemo kills the good stuff in your body along with the bad. Sometimes the patient dies as a result. But you will surely die if you don't take it. We'll never really know if the cure was worse than the disease. None of us will be ever be able to look back and say "I told you so".

I suspect that they will tell you what you want to hear but do state reps/senators actually do anything except try to become US reps/senators? Although I think changing/shutting down hockey's effect on the kids will not have long-term effects. Having the rinks go bankrupt will. We need every sheet of ice in the area to stay viable or we'll be practicing at Midnight an hour away like when I was a kid. Hopefully someone can be loud enough to get some grants sent to these private rinks that have small margins as it is.

I actually think you could be right. The problem is that many people are afraid and you just can't tell people not be be afraid. Some people are afraid of dogs, heights, or whatever. What are you supposed to do. With so many people afraid, the life we knew will never come back. Financial ruins will occur with or without restrictions. I'm more afraid of large outbreaks that leads to more restrictions than actually getting the disease. Our only chance is to get case counts & death counts down to a point where not as many people are afraid. Otherwise, we will continue to trudge through this state of suck. Unless you feel that lifting all restriction will have no effect on the spread? If you feel that way then I just disagree. Now if I was sure that lifting restrictions would coincide with people using common sense, then I would say go for it. I just don't think common sense is all that common.

Good point about the automobile accidents. They are just as contagious. I stay away from anyone that has recently been involved in one. Way to soak up the BS about the false positives and lies about causes of deaths. The conspiracy theorists love you.

So you're saying it's not political because he's a lame duck? Then he just imposed these restrictions because he's trying to make us as miserable and angry as he can?

I hear a lot of "kids will go" & "players leaving" talk. You should swap the words "kids" & "players" with "parents". Kids will be fine with any option unless the parents tell them that they shouldn't be. When push comes to shove, most of the parents won't go anywhere anyway. How many people do you think will actually opt to drive an hour or more 3 - 4 times a week over "suffering" through this for what might only be a few weeks or months? It could go on longer and then we can talk about those out-of-area options that may or not have spots/ice time available anyway.

It's not unreasonable to ask for that considering the summer surge in cases seems to have peaked and now on a downward trend. I bet the health department holds off on that until October, so they can see the effect of school openings.