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Here were the scores of Day 1, summarized. I'll try to update daily. Wednesday, March 29 12:30PM 15U (9) Pens 4 vs. 2 (8) Mid Fairfield Jr Rangers 2:45PM 14U (10) Vengeance 2 vs. 5 (7) Buffalo Saints 4:15PM 16U (11) Barons 1 vs. 2 (6) Detroit Little Caesars 4:30PM 14U (3) Pens 3 vs. 2 (14) Valley Forge 5:00PM 18U (6) Pens 1 vs. 3 (11) Buffalo Regals Also, the times I posted above are local times. With some of these sites being in different time zones, if you do have an interest in a game in particular, you might want to double check the website.

Damn that's a shame. Always hear about some of the great venues teams travel to for nationals, and these players will wrap up their youth careers at delmont.

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It is good to see the parents of players mentioned in this thread are propping up their own kids for the attention and kudos they rightfully deserve.

Parking at Delmont shouldn’t be a problem. Lol.

I see a lot of players at the D2 level from jr's and or high end AAA teams. The competitive teams do a good job of recruiting these young men. It is harder and harder for a kid our of high school to make a college team.

Winning is all that matters for some. And winning means new opportunities. That Aviators 12UAA team 1 is going independent next season.

So I’ve had a few pops. Neighbors just went home. Probably shouldn’t respond. But I’ll give it a go. There is so much wrong with this comment. Do you think that what we’re doing for our 12 year old children is about hockey? You do know that 99% (probably more, actually) of 12u PAHL players have no shot of long term development as it relates to NCAA Div 1, or some level of pro hockey, right? This isn’t about ignoring morales for the sake of development. It is about providing our young men and women the opportunity to develop a passion and learn life skills along the way. If they aren’t doing both, I want no part of it. Some people might think it’s ok to sacrifice one for the other. I won’t ignore the parental ‘model’ behavior for the sake of teaching my kid to make a few more dekes. We won’t see eye to eye on that, ever.

My son felt he was ready for AAA hockey around 12 or 13. Tried out at Esmark - was cut. Was told his size was too small. Pens Elite tryouts were the next week He asked to tryout. We believed all the things we had heard - the team was pre determined, If you didn't get invited you didn't stand a chance, it's all political....blah, blah, blah. We still let him tryout. He made the team. Yes, he was a bottom player. The next year (14U)- was the very first year black teams were being introduced. He was put on the black team. Coach explained - if we put you on Gold - you'll sit on the bench for games. If we put you on black - you'll get top minutes. My son was crushed - but after cooling down and thinking it through he decided to stick it out. He played the next year on black team. My kid worked hard as did every kid on that black team. (That year - the Black team beat the gold team at Mid ams.) My son continued to develop - loved the game. He continued to learn to play the speed of the game and to even pick up the speed on his shifts. It wasn't always roses and sunshine at Pens Elite. But, he continued to grow. He stayed through 16's then played 18's at a prep school. He ended up playing in the NAHL and is playing NCAA Div.1 hockey. He was a bottom player of a AAA team at 12 / 13. What changed that? skating, skating, skating - drills, practice, lessons, shooting pucks everyday in the driveway. Does the kid want to wear the jacket to wear the jacket or does he actually want to put the work in to develop? I watched Pens Elite cut a kid that then went to a prep school - that led to being drafted by the USHL and then committed to an Ivy league school for Div.1 hockey - the Pens Elite aren't the final say on a kids destiny.

It is actually Pittsburgh Game Management.

@CranjisMcBasketball I cleaned up that thread as it was getting somewhat off topic. Orgs are welcome to post here, but what we don't need is a dozen follow up posts bashing the org and their intentions, which is where some of that thread was going. For the most part this is a close to free speech you're going to get about local hockey. Enjoy this free forum that I provide and be glad it's here. PB

GIRLS RESULTS Thursday, March 30 3:30PM 14U (3) Pens 4 vs. 0 (14) Mid Fairfield Stars 11:15AM 16U Steel City Selects 1 vs. 2 Philadelphia Jr. Flyers 11:30AM 16U (7) Pens 4 vs. 3 (10) Philadelphia Jr. Flyers 3:15PM 19U Armstrong Arrows 0 vs. 1 Philadelphia Jr. Flyers 3:15PM 19U Steel City Selects 2 vs. 3 Premier Prep Royal 5:00PM 14U S Pittsburgh Rebellion 1 vs. 2 Hockey Club Fairbanks 5:00PM 14U Steel City Selects 1 vs. 4 Chicago Hawks

BOYS RESULTS Wednesday, March 29 12:30PM 15U (9) Pens 4 vs. 2 (8) Mid Fairfield Jr Rangers 2:45PM 14U (10) Vengeance 2 vs. 5 (7) Buffalo Saints 4:15PM 16U (11) Barons 1 vs. 2 (6) Detroit Little Caesars 4:30PM 14U (3) Pens 3 vs. 2 (14) Valley Forge 5:00PM 18U (6) Pens 1 vs. 3 (11) Buffalo Regals Thursday, March 30 10:00AM 15U (9) Pens 2 vs. 4 (1) Detroit Little Caesars 12:30PM 14U (10) Vengeance 7 vs. 3 (2) Chicago Mission 2:15PM 16U (11) Barons 3 vs. 4 (3) North Jersey Avalanche 2:30PM 14U (3) Pens 5 vs. 0 (11) Boston Jr. Eagles 2:30PM 18U (6) Pens 3 vs. 0 (14) Anaheim Jr Ducks 3:00PM 18U Mt. Lebo Hornets 1 vs. 2 Team Ohio 3:15PM 14U North Pittsburgh 1 vs. 5 OC Hockey 6:45PM 16U Allegheny Badgers 2 vs. 3 Boston Jr. Eagles

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Most likely, the admins have been locking threads that a) are letting you know about something since its clear from the first post so why leave it open and b) because discussion runs it's course so why leave it open while people go around in circles.

It's more likely the kids themselves

4 from NA has to be in this list. Hands down one of the best skaters in PIHL. Top defenseman by far in the league. 74 CP is definately right behind him. 4 is the total package.

I think it only happened once in my coaching career (12+ years as head, assistant coach in youth hockey) where a player who played for us the prior year was injured for tryouts. He broke his arm playing lacrosse just before tryouts. Luckily, he was the 2nd (maybe it was 3rd) leading scorer on the team the year before. We got approval from the board of our organization to offer him a spot without skating at tryouts. The organization still made his family pay the tryout fee (to get him in the registration system, they said) and he showed up and was on the bench during the skates. No one complained (that I know of) that he got a spot because he was known to be one of the better players. I doubt we would have taken an injured player from another team without trying out unless that player was known to be exceptional. If the injured player had been in the bottom half of the team, that would have made things much more difficult - probably would have been a judgement call based on who showed up at tryouts. So, yes, call the coach and let him know and go from there.

Not to mention that parking is in the back of the building, largely, and you have to walk around the building to the front, with essentially no sidewalks, to enter the building. A ridiculous choice for such a significant tournament.

Here is the round robin schedule for girls as it relates to local teams- Thursday, March 30 3:30PM 14U (3) Pens vs. (14) Mid Fairfield Stars 11:15AM 16U Steel City Selects vs. Philadelphia Jr. Flyers 11:30AM 16U (7) Pens vs. (10) Philadelphia Jr. Flyers 3:15PM 19U Armstrong Arrows vs. Philadelphia Jr. Flyers 3:15PM 19U Steel City Selects vs. Premier Prep Royal 5:00PM 14U S Pittsburgh Rebellion vs. Hockey Club Fairbanks 5:00PM 14U Steel City Selects vs. Philadelphia Jr. Flyers Friday, March 31 11:00AM 19U Armstrong Arrows vs. Montana Wolves 11:00AM 19U Steel City Selects vs. Mid Fairfield Stars 1:15PM 14U Steel City Selects vs. Valley Jr. Warriors 2:30PM 14U (3) Pens vs. (11) Team Colorado 3:05PM 14U S Pittsburgh Rebellion vs. Nashville Jr. Predators 3:30PM 16U (7) Pens vs. (15) Team Colorado 6:55PM 16U Steel City Selects vs. Casco Bay Mariners Saturday, April 1 10:50AM 14U S Pittsburgh Rebellion vs. Adirondack Northstars 11:05AM 14U Steel City Selects vs. Philadelphia Jr. Flyers 11:15AM 14U (3) Pens vs. (6) Team Illinois 2:30PM 16U (7) Pens vs. (2) Assabet Valley 2:40PM 16U Steel City Selects vs. Glenview Stars 4:40PM 19U Armstrong Arrows vs. South Anchorage Oilers 4:55PM 19U Steel City Selects vs. East Coast Wizards

Here is the round robin schedule for the boys as it relates to local teams- Wednesday, March 29 12:30PM 15U (9) Pens vs. (8) Mid Fairfield Jr Rangers 2:45PM 14U (10) Vengeance vs. (7) Buffalo Saints 4:15PM 16U (11) Barons vs. (6) Detroit Little Caesars 4:30PM 14U (3) Pens vs. (14) Valley Forge 5:00PM 18U (6) Pens vs. (11) Buffalo Regals Thursday, March 30 10:00AM 15U (9) Pens vs. (1) Detroit Little Caesars 12:30PM 14U (10) Vengeance vs. (2) Chicago Mission 2:15PM 16U (11) Barons vs. (3) North Jersey Avalanche 2:30PM 14U (3) Pens vs. (11) Boston Jr. Eagles 2:30PM 18U (6) Pens vs. (14) Anaheim Jr Ducks 3:00PM 18U Mt. Lebo Hornets vs. Team Ohio 3:15PM 14U North Pittsburgh vs. OC Hockey 6:45PM 16U Allegheny Badgers vs. Boston Jr. Eagles Friday, March 31 10:45AM 14U (10) Vengeance vs. (15) Carolina Jr Hurricanes 11:45AM 16U (11) Barons vs. (14) Seacoast Performance Academy 12:15PM 18U (6) Pens vs. (3) Rhode Island Saints 12:30PM 14U (3) Pens vs. (6) MN Lakers 1:00PM 16U Allegheny Badgers vs. Texas Tigers 2:00PM 18U Mt. Lebo Hornets vs. Minnesota Grey Ducks 5:00PM 15U (9) Pens vs. (16) Team North Dakota 5:00PM 14U North Pittsburgh vs. St. Louis Eagles Saturday, April 1 9:00AM 14U North Pittsburgh vs. Darien (CT) 10:15AM 16U Allegheny Badgers vs. Troy Sting 12:15PM 18U Mt. Lebo Hornets vs. Northern Michigan United

That place can't even handle a standard tournament in terms of parking even with the small parking addition they did in the rear. And to top it off there is literally nowhere nearby that people can park and walk. That not a venue that I would have chosen for Nationals.

Bishop Canevin represented PIHL D-2 very well at USA Hockey High School Nationals. Made it to the semis and lost against PREP team from Illinois who won the championship. 3 players in the top 15

Where is all this ice time coming from? The organization as a whole has less than 10 hours of ice per week and they are floating 3 practices a week for AA and 2 for single A. Unless they only have 2 or 3 teams the math doesn't work unless the 3 ice slots a week are half ice with another team.

Not about this season but I see the Tier 2 U-18 national championship is in Delmont in 2024.

FYI Pa Hockey Scholastic Showcase Armstrong 9 Ringgold 1 Latrobe 8 Canevin 0 TJ 3 Canevin 1 Penn Trafford 7 Ringgold 1 Just compare sometimes ?

That's 100% correct, but don't tell Danner. Unless they play for Liberty or Adrian they should all quit hockey. Then Liberty and Adrian can play each other 42 times in the regular season, best of 3 in the quarters, best of 5 in the semis and best of seven in the finals. Then, and only then will there be a true Champion. Has anyone heard of FAU? Those kids should have all quit basketball in Danner's world. It must absolutely suck to live in danner's world.

I saw the 09 Mustangs play a few times this year in 2 close games against the 09 Shaha team. They're a really good team. I saw they beat the Badgers 09 team 3-0 this year so I agree they would likely have won that AA Minor PAHL division. I'm not sure how they would have stacked up against the top AA Major teams. They should be in contention at Midams next year at Tier 2 for sure.

Easily. If Preds, SHAHA, Icemen, and Esmark would go back to PAHL you would have an amazing AA division.

The 09 Mustangs would win PAHL AA fairly easily. Just like every organization, you have to look at it on a team by team or birth year by birth your basis. A blanket statement like yours just isn't true in all cases. For some of their teams, it's absolutely true.

Be an adult and reach out to the points of contact before tryouts and explain what is going on. See who gives you the best answer. Guess what. They may get under placed. That’s ok. It’s not their or your fault. They got hurt. Don’t let egos get in the way of a good learning experience.

As a parent of an Aviator on the team that won PAHL, this is news to me. As they get ready for tryouts next weekend, I hope the plan is to stay in PAHL. The majority of the team played AA in their first year of peewee against all 09 teams. We got killed all year but it paid off this year when I thought we were stronger physically than most 2010 teams. I would hope the plan is to stay in PAHL and play AA minor. I know that I don’t need my son to be on a “AAA” team to feel validated.

I’ve only seen them play twice in the past 2 years. Last year ? They beat iup’s club team in OT 1-0 or 2-1. @Pa Hockey would know better about that game he was there. Personally I’m not a fan of ncaa d3. It’s mostly on par with the acha. “Ncaa” is used as a status recruiting tool to pay some very high tuition. 50% of these schools you wouldn’t send your kid to for an education to begin with. I’m sure there are a few that are pretty dang good, but I also have seen a few that couldn’t hang with our local acha programs. There is a kid on the pitt acha team that transferred from a ncca d3 school - he doesn’t play on the top half of the team if that tells you much. I personally know a kid who passed on multiple ncaa d3 schools to play for miami’s acha team. Cost of the school ended up much less. In his words “the hockey is much better & I don’t have to submit to all the ncaa rules” in general he really like Miami of Ohio’s degree program to top it off. yes rmu is back - lots of Canadian prospects from what I’ve seen.

Great place for Gary Bettman!

There are certain organizations that attract the crazy parents. Those organizations aren't interested in controlling the parents. My family (and kids) have never been interested in playing for an organization where a holey is tolerated either on the ice or off. The behavior IS a part of the game. Eventually you get penalized, etc. And it is embarrassing. Being associated with a team calling you to girls that they shouldn't play hockey? No. No. No. I don't care how skilled the team is.

Maybe organizations should screen the parents before tryouts! Or maybe have the parents tryout! Or maybe the PAHL should not let the kids of crazy parents play. Or maybe ban spectators! Just trying to solve the crazy parents problem for you all!

Sometimes a few beers helps settle the nerves

PA HOCKEY - 2022 PENNSYLVANIA CUP PREVIEW 2023 PENNSYLVANIA CUP AAA CHAMPIONSHIPS PETERS TOWNSHIP INDIANS PENNSYLVANIA STATE CHAMPIONS - 2002, 2003 and 2005 AA and 2014 - 2017 - 2022 AAA (6) PENGUINS CUP CHAMPIONS - 2002,2003,2004,2005 AA 2014, 2017, 2022-2023 AAA (8) Pennsylvania Interscholastic Hockey League PA HOCKEY ELITE 8 FINAL RANKING - CLASS AAA: # 1 Team Website Wins Losses Ties League Website Regular Season Record 16 3 1 PIHL (pihlhockey.com) Penguins Cup 3 0 0 Statewide Website TOTALS 19 3 1 www.pahockey.net PENNSYLVANIA CUP PLAYOFFS FIRST ROUND Peters Township 7 Mt Lebanon 1 Head Coach - Rick Tingle PENGUINS CUP SEMI-FINALS Top Players - Kyle Thomas - Ryder Mertins- Coby Ringwald Peters Township 4 North Allegheny 0 William Tomko - Ben Kovac - Austin Malley PENGUINS CUP FINALS Peters Township 8 Upper St Clair 1 PENNSYLVANIA STATE FINAL HISTORY PENGUINS CUP HISTORY PENNSYLVANIA CUP HISTORY Thomas Jefferson 1998 Lost 1-3 AA 1 Indiana 2002 Won 4-2 AA 2 Archbishop Carroll Won 10-3 2002 AA Kittanning 2003 Won 6-3 AA 3 Holy Ghost Prep Won 9-3 2003 AA Indiana 2004 Won 5-4 OT AA 4 Archbishop Carroll Lost 3-6 2004 AA Pine Richland 2005 Won 6-2 AA 5 Haverford High Won 4-0 2005 AA Canevin 2011 Lost 2-5 AA 6 Bethel Park 2012 Lost 1-2 AAA 7 North Allegheny 2013 Lost 0-2 AAA 8 Bethel Park 2014 Won 4-2 AAA 9 LaSalle Won 2-1 2014 AAA Central Catholic 2017 Won 5-2 AAA 10 Holy Ghost Prep Won 2-1 2017 AAA Seneca Valley 2018 Lost 2-4 AAA 11 North Allegheny 2019 Lost 0-3 AAA 12 Seneca Valley 2022 Won 6-2 AAA 13 Malvern Prep Won 5-3 2022 AAA Upper St Clair 2023 Won 8-1 AAA 14 LaSalle 2023 AAA PA HOCKEY - 2023 PENNSYLVANIA CUP PREVIEW 2023 PENNSYLVANIA CUP AA CHAMPIONSHIPS LASALLE EXPLORERS Pennsylvania Cup AAA Champions 1998 + 2008 + 2009 + 2012 + 2016 + 2019 FLYERS CUP AAA CHAMPIONS - AAA - 1996 - 1998 - 2008 - 2009 - 2011 - 2012 - 2013 - 2014 - 2016 - 2019 - 2022 (11) APAC AAA PA HOCKEY ELITE 8 FINAL RANKING - CLASS AAA: # 2 Team Website Wins Losses Ties http://www.lschs.org/page.cfm?p=626 Regular Season Record 7 2 0 League Website Exhibition Record 5 7 1 Atlantic Prep Athletic Conference (theapac.org) Flyers Cup 2 0 0 Statewide Website TOTALS 14 9 1 www.pahockey.net Head Coach: Wally Muehlbronner Top Players: Aries Carangi - Chase Hannon - - Thomas Doucet RYAN DESMOND - JAMES CARPENTER - EVAN GOLATO PENNSYLVANIA CUP PLAYOFFS SECOND ROUND LaSalle Explorers BYE FLYERS CUP SEMI-FINALS LaSalle Explorers 3 Malvern Prep 0 FLYERS CUP FINALS LaSalle Explorers 2 Holy Ghost Prep 1 PENNSYLVANIA STATE FINAL HISTORY FLYERS CUP HISTORY PENNSYLVANIA CUP HISTORY Germantown Academy 1996 Win 4-3 & 12-2 AAA Meadville 1996 Lost 2-3 AAA Germantown Academy 1998 Win 5-4 AAA Central Catholic 1998 Win 2-1 AAA Father Judge 2000 Lost 4-5 AAA Malvern Prep 2003 Lost 1-2 AAA Malvern Prep 2004 Lost 1-5 AAA Holy Ghost Prep 2008 Win 4-1 AAA Pine Richland 2008 Win 9-1 AAA Father Judge 2009 Win 6-2 AAA Shaler 2009 Win 6-4 AAA Malvern Prep 2011 Win 3-2ot AAA Upper St Clair 2011 Lost 3-4 AAA Holy Ghost Prep 2012 Win 6-3 AAA Bethel Park 2012 Win 6-2 AAA Holy Ghost Prep 2013 Win 5-2 AAA North Allegheny 2013 Lost 2-6 AAA St Joseph's Prep 2014 Win 5-4 AAA Peters Township 2014 Lost 1-2 AAA Holy Ghost Prep 2015 Lost 3-6 AAA Holy Ghost Prep 2016 Win 4-1 AAA Cathedral Prep 2016 Win 7-3 AAA Holy Ghost Prep 2017 Lost 3-5 AAA St Joseph's Prep 2019 Win 5-2 AAA North Allegheny 2019 Win 6-3 AAA Holy Ghost Prep 2023 Win 2-1 OT AAA Peters Township 2023 AAA PA HOCKEY - 2023 PENNSYLVANIA CUP PREVIEW 2023 PENNSYLVANIA CUP AAA CHAMPIONSHIPS STATE FINAL OUTLOOK: History is abundant when you speak of two Programs with 12 Pennsylvania State Championships for LaSalle and Peters Township. Coaches Rick Tingle and Wally Muehlbronner continue to write history and this matchup is a great testimony to two of Pennsylvnia's finest. Peters has made easy work of it opponents while LaSalle followed suit to win their record 11th Flyers Cup. Both teams have depth with the edge in goaltending going to the Explorers. I think Peters is riding a wave of experience and confidence and will have their hands full with LaSalle. The Indians will have a wild card in this one and pull out a 4-3 epic win in front of a sellout crowd at RMU.

Actually, Perk Valley played in the AAA Flyers Cup this year because they were not pure but were strong enough to compete (i.e. they had 2 players from another school district that did not have a team). I don't think they played any AAA teams during the regular season. The other thing to note is that teams here in the East are not in leagues broken down by AAA/AA/A, at least in the Inter-County. For the most part they are broken into conferences that are based on their PIAA leagues, regardless of school size. For example, ChesMont is the West Chester schools, the Downingtown schools, Unionville and Avon Grove. Some of those schools are A and some are AA. They play each other, as well as non-conference games. Then they get placed for Flyers Cup based on their AA or A size.

Thats true for way more teams than PPE.

Sounds like you might be one of the crazy parents if you are defending that kind of behavior from adults at a peewee game 🤣

Good timing- was just checking out the board when I saw this. They do have a nice group of players- a good team for sure. They might be very well building a solid program. My comment had nothing to do with the players, coaches, or organization for that matter. That's why I limited it to a specific team. As to the parents this year, I wasn't going to get into details and hoping a passing comment would be enough of a contribution to this discussion, but since you asked and want support because you might be challenging my statement (and this is all first hand knowledge)- -Yelling and taunting a kid from another team on the ice during a game, as he walked off, and making comments to him while he walked through the lobby -Screaming at their team to "take out #..." when they were losing -Having a parent, during the handshake line, yell "girls shouldn't be playing hockey" to the 2 girls on the opposing team in a game they lost -Parents, on 2 occasions in just 3 games I saw, got kicked out of the stands for going at the refs (verbally) My point of "taking the cake" is that at 11-12 years old, I've never seen parents, during and after a game, taunting and interacting with the opposing team's players like they did.

Talk about crazy parents. That 12u AA aviators team takes the cake in my book.

Well said -I have had zero connection with this organization however here you are, trying to make a difference. good on you. Every org has its deadwood douchebags that need to be weeded out - every single one. My guess is thirty years from now @Clonbur will be holding court in a wheel chair boring his grandkids to death with war stories about the misgivings of NHAHA and how he was the prophet and truth-teller of the organization, all the while abandoning it many years ago but talking about it as if he still had skin in the game.

Let’s see what happens when honesty reigns this board.

They take the strongest kids that try out each and every year. Yes there could be SOME exceptions and favoritism. They generally keep the best and cut the worst. There will be players that are the best when they are are 9, but by the time they are 12 they are average. And there are other kids that don't become the best until 14. You want your kid to be the one that keeps getting better and then knocks off a Mite Superstar. All it takes to be a Mite Superstar is being slightly faster than everyone else and having a good Celly. Also, and I haven't seen your kid play, and I don't mean to sound harsh. But, the reality is, your child is playing A. So if your organization has a AA team there are probably at least 10 kids in the birth year better than yours there. Multiply that by 10 other PAHL organizations, and there could be 100 PAHL players alone better than yours. I think if you watch a season of AA PAHL and your kid is one of the top 5 players at that level, then he stands a chance of making AAA pens. If he's not then maybe the next stepping stone is one of the many other "AAA" teams.