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And there is your technicality - hockey is a club sport - it’s not run by the PIAA. that is called knowing the goalie would not be allowed but what loophole can we find.

Montour had a membership meeting last night - they are flooding this board on purpose hoping to bury the relevant posts.

It’s pretty clear those involved with montour hockey knew if they claimed the player as a transfer (as they should have) he would have to sit a year. Montour tried to skirt the rules on a technicality knowing they had a attorney in their back pocket with a plan - litigation and tie everything up in court. PIHL doesn’t want that, it effects all the other teams. USA hockey wants the season over before April ?

Correct, This is my feeling too.

The goalie billets with montour player who already plays for esmark, I believe this is the montour team manager family. Both kids play U15 at esmark.

Montours main argument - the goalie was not a transfer player. So it sounds like the box for transfer student was never checked. The montour coach’s reasoning behind this - due to the age of the player along with it being summer when he “moved” to thier district, the player is not a transfer. very weak argument that was tossed together at the last minute after reading the pihl rules imo.

Hi kid - they do roster checks before the playoffs. Same thing happens for mid-am’s by usa hockey for the district tournaments, this is when most violations are found. The montour board & coach are not being very open with their memebers imo. PIHL informed the board over a week ago there was a problem, This issue did not just recently surface. The board choose not to disclose this to its members until the morning of. The argument from the board & coach regarding the transfer player is very weak imo. It’s definitely a midnight scramble. Don’t worry, my prediction (this is not fact, just how I see it from being around so long) - If PIHL holds firm on their current decision of DQ, pihl is not going to want to deal with the threatened litigation from the montour parent attorney. This would hold the playoffs up, attorney fees, ice time already booked, etc. (it appears to pay to live in a wealthy district - you get a few attorney’s who’s kids play)

The kid in question is not here on a education visa through USA hockey - he’s from a different state.

SMFH - when your buddy was posting earlier today - I called this. Didn’t want to think I would be right. You montour folks are going to try and blame the guy that died. Pathetic.

Well the goalie from QV has always lived there, his dad, I believe ran the Neville island rink at one point. Your not even comparing apples to oranges.

You would be surprised. For those esmark kids it’s less stress, Puts some fun back in the game. as for the billet family taking on stress - we are talking about hockey parents here. Lots will do anything to advance their kid or get on a coaches good side. I’m sure the kid who’s family is billeting is getting kudos from esmark. I do know only a few years back (before this crazy Inflation) esmark does pay the billet families. There is a lot to gain for thier son at esmark and for their sons varsity team.

Well, this guy might know a thing or two about what’s going on there.

Sorry, happily - I haven’t had to deal with PIHL for years. It’s just very obvious why montour ended up with this goalie. I didn’t know much about this situation until a week ago seeing some posts in a different thread so I started asking around. I didn’t start this topic if you didn’t notice. You’ll know you’re fate in a few hours I suppose. The outcome will be interesting. If your guys broke the rules or tried to pull a fast one, I hope you are disqualified from the playoffs. If everything is legit, I hope it’s all tossed out & your kids get to play. Edit - you deleted your response. I should have quoted it. I’m going to go out on a limb here but I don’t think it will bust - you are a montour hockey board member, team manager or the coach.

so you know all this about the rosters, the kid etc but you are not associated with montour hockey in anyway ? ? Sure there are plenty of local kids playing AAA travel hockey that play A. Also AA,AAA & B. This is a different situation. I can already see montour’s defense by your response - the commissioner died. Everything was done with him. Morbid. kids are not being recruited for PIHL hockey per say - it’s teams taking advantage of getting them in their district. Look at canevin years ago, the place yuri started placing kids. Look at the rule pihl put in just for esmark’s visa players. Look at bishop mcort playing up in AA this year.

Ok, we get it you are a montour parent. Plenty of people have ask valid questions, some of us just trying to figure it out with nothing in this game. We are trying to understand it. You just keep repeating the same stuff over & over. Has your hockey board been transparent with you ? Was their an actual reason given for this current problem ?

Thanks! This explains a lot. In years past, the esmark kids that played pihl were always here on a visa. It sounds like this kid jumped a state or two - that would exclude him from the normal set of rules. If I’m understanding the rules correctly - the goalies parents would have had to sign over his guardianship. No parent is doing that. PIHL put in a rule if you have visa players you have to play up a division - they are making mcort finally follow it this year. Montour moves down a division and grabs an out of state esmark goalie in the final hour. Does anyone remember what moon pulled some years back ? Getting moved to the open division, saying all their players quit because they didn’t have a goalie, lost some seniors and were going to get killed In AA after winning the pens cup. pihl moved them all the way down to the open division. all the sudden moon had all their players back and ripped through it. This made pihl look really bad. Moon ended the season with ZERO co op players. This montour situation reminds me a lot of what moon pulled what is it with these west hills teams ?

But here’s the problem - did montour submit the paper work properly ? Did they submit it at all ? Did the board make a mistake ? Why is this just now discovered ? These are questions only pihl & montour people would know. you can try to kid yourself - us with no skin in the game see this for what it really is - montour needed a GOOD goalie. They didn’t want to suffer the ebb n flows of other programs that lose a senior goalie and suck for a few years. Montour did lose thier 3 year starting main goalie after last season ?I was just told montour was also moved down to A this season from AA. Montour’s leading scorer plays for esmark - texting with some coaches from pihl AA today - it was well known montour was going to struggle due to not having any good goalies. August rolls around, the montour esmark forward’s family decides to billet the esmark goalie. It’s very obvious why. Looking through the pihl rules it states in some cases a transfer has to sit out a year. The only real question - were all the pihl rules, guidelines followed. If not, they should be punished. Sure it sucks, as usual adults messing it up for kids but it’s also not fair to those teams that might have a bad goalie but still go out and play with what they have. If the Avonworth example is true, they managed it with one goalie. Montours roster currently shows THREE varsity goalies.

Check the esmark thread. We’ve been talking about it for a few days.

But here’s the problem - did montour submit the paper work properly ? Did they submit it at all ? Did the board make a mistake ? Why is this just now discovered ? There are questions only pihl & montour people would know. you can try to kid yourself - us with no skin in the game see this for what it really is - montour needed a GOOD goalie. They didn’t want to suffer the ebb n flows of other programs that lose a senior goalie and suck for a few years. Montour did lose thier 3 year starting main goalie after last season ?I was just told montour was also moved down to A this season from AA. Looking through the pihl rules it states in some cases a transfer has to sit out a year. The only real question - were all the pihl rules, guidelines followed. If not, they should be punished. Sure it sucks, as usual adults messing it up for kids but it’s also not fair to those teams that might have a bad goalie but still go out and play with what they have. If the Avonworth example is true, they managed it with one goalie. Montours roster currently shows THREE varsity goalies.

My assumption would be yes, if true. who knows with pihl. I’m happily years removed from dealing with them. Friend at ice castle did confirm there is a pihl meeting at ice castle. doesn’t know who, what, why etc.

Don’t compleltly disagree - didn’t kesiel try to be a coach or something ? Tried to take ober the mites program with the kicker ? I could be compleltly wrong, I recall hearing something of the sort.

Someone from PIHL must read this board, montour is getting dragged into a hearing tonight. If the goalie was illegal or his paperwork not done correctly - PIHL is just now picked up on it - it’s a bad look for pihl finding it this late in the season, through this message board of all places. @Happy Hockey Fan you seem to be involved with montour, is this accurate - really a hearing tonight ?

The kickers cleats made me lol for real!

lol - the Steelers old kicker is a coach ? I don’t even have look, I’m assuming he has a young girl who plays.

Looks like montour has 3 goalies on their varsity roster ??‍♂️ If a varsity program brings in players from out of the district they should have to play up a divison or goto the co op divison. It appears pihl finally went through with all the threats they made to mcort, mcort are in AA this year. That program has always been single A.