Lifelongbender

23 minutes ago, dazedandconfused said:

Different entities, different players. Zero crossover. Period. How hard is it to understand that the Prep players are there to live the dream and line the pockets. The school players are there to get an education and be student athletes. Why is this so difficult to comprehend?

And, of course, there's also the inevitable question of why the whole thing is such a big deal to so many who aren't directly affected. If the kids' families have the money to pay-to-play, and it matter that much to them, so be it. It's on the kids and their parents to do the research and be properly informed.

1 hour ago, RegDunlop7 said:

Really like this design. I've seen different plans, but this one definitely stands out as the best in my opinion.

I agree 100%. This design takes care of one of the crippling issues that site would have had - parking. I can't see any way to make the Armory work without parking vehicles inside the building, under roof. I also read that the City/County/DOT have committed to upgrading the local road there. Because access to this location is the other crippling issue. It is not going to be an easy site to get into and out of, and I bet the locals come to hate the rink almost immediately because of the traffic.

42 minutes ago, Jjinson said:

There is an issue with these plans though... how are you going to be getting a zamboni on the ice?

Well, I assume that if you can build a sheet of ice and a refrigeration plant this way, you can get the Zamboni up there, too. Hard to imagine they missed that in their considerations.

Dumber things HAVE happened, though.

One of the guys I know sent me to this website when I just asked him:

http://www.perkinseastman.com/project_3432843_hunt_armory_ice_complex

And to this website as well:

https://www.nextpittsburgh.com/city-design/hunt-armory-ice-rink-office-development-moves-forward-thanks-to-state-grant/

The key takeaway is a paragraph near the bottom:

"Once completed, the new and improved complex will be centered around two skating rinks — an NHL regulation-sized rink and a smaller, 100-by-60-foot rink."

That's one sheet of hockey-suitable ice. It would appear that parking is planned for indoors.

I've heard conflicting rumors about this, some from people in a very good position to know. I'd love to hear the truth on it, too.

I don't see how six hockey teams could drive to, park at, and then get out of the Armory at the same time (if they use the typical two on the ice, two coming in as two leave model). I'd heard they were planning to park cars under the Armory's roof, but I then heard that was off the table. And I just don't see how the neighborhood roads can handle that level of traffic.

Cool building though.

34 minutes ago, discodan said:

Bottom line is the preds were once a good organization but now its all about the money. If they let the aaa kids play on aa where they belong they would still have good teams.

These two sentences probably apply to the "AAA" teams at every organization in the entire tri-state area.

If an overnight camp is what you're looking for, my kids have both enjoyed the Kent State camps for several years. It's close to home and reasonably priced.

Boys, at some point you have to come to the realization that trying to convince a guy he's being a jerk ends up making you sound just as bad as it goes on. Just go to your account settings and ignore the guy who bugs you and your days will be much happier and maybe we can actually talk about hockey constructively rather than just argue about who is the bigger 1) idiot and/or 2) jerk.

Just my $0.02, but I actually like the hockey talk that sometimes breaks out here during the fighting.

For my part, I haven't seen any evidence that fear of competition is a serious issue at the JV games I attend with some regularity. I guess maybe I'm stupid, but that's my observation.

I don’t know about the Vengeance, and the various reasons why a rink would or would not have LiveBarn. But I do wish that LiveBarn had a Roku app.

YMCA (the old Bethel Park Bladerunners) doesn't have it.

43 minutes ago, rock said:

so i heard the hearing for the plum players went south pretty quick.. one of the players lost it during the hearing and they immediately gave everyone involved in the incident from plum 5 games. 

Obviously this is hearsay, but you're saying that a player who was at the meeting for a disciplinary hearing lost his temper? Wow, it's hard to see how that could happen. You'd think they'd have been well coached before they got there.

Of course the entire incident probably invalidates the supposition that the players are well coached. But that's just hard to imagine.

10 minutes ago, Saucey said:

You know, the couple of you pretending that you don't understand this....you do. The poster who said 'don't be an a$#hole' summed it up. If there was no apparent outcry about it, I am guessing that the foot was taken off the gas at some point. 

I guess I assumed that aaaahockey was joking when he wrote that.

13 hours ago, carroll81 said:

From the East:

- 10 goal rule in ICSHL.  If the goal differential is 10 at any point after the end of the 2nd period, game ends

- Atlantic district procedure for unruly fans is a warning to both benches.  Teams have to send AC to monitor parents.  If unruly actions persist, entire stands are cleared by rink personnel.

Honestly these both seem like commonsense provisions in the rules.

On the other hand, in a sane world there'd be no need for a rule about running up the score to that extent. Everyone knows and remembers who the classless coaches and programs are. The rest of us try to impart sportsmanship and respect into our players, and lead by example.

17 hours ago, PuckHead7 said:

This isn’t even a complete list.  Major Incidents?  What about verified SafeSport issues?  Obviously, they aren’t included.  I wonder if the PAHL puts a list together.  Bet that it’s huge.

I'd love to see the equivalent PAHL list.

That report is fascinating. It's incredible to me that there were so many issues with parents confronting officials directly, including, of all things, entering the referee locker room. What kind of idiotic behavior is that?

Honestly, it's amazing to me that we can even find officials to schedule, given the way they are constantly berated. It's been my experience that, in the vast majority of situations where parents complain about calls either made or not made, I agreed with the officials.

I'm not sure what to make of that. It sure seems from the player's reaction that she felt that she was pushed.

From the front page of their organization's website (https://www.claringtonflames.ca/?

Quote

SPECIAL NOTICE

We are aware of the situation that occurred with one of Clarington Girls Hockey Association (CGHA) volunteers at a recent tournament in Pittsburgh.

The Ontario Women's Hockey Association and Hockey Canada are currently investigating the situation. The CGHA organization will support and provide full cooperation with all governing entities to ensure a thorough and transparent process.

The CGHA will continue to foster a positive and fun hockey experience for all of our members which supports growth and development to help our players achieve their personal goals.  As always, the CGHA ensures that all health and safety requirements are met or exceeded in the best interest of our members at all times.

We have no further comment at this time.

CGHA President

9 hours ago, HSFBLJ said:

The dad made a mistake and didn't do anythig once he was on the ice.  He obviously came to his senses pretty quickly.  Maybe he was going to get his kid and pull him off the ice.  Maybe he was/is a parent who initially had good thoughts.  Who knows but he should not have been out there.  Moon Hockey should address this if he was from Moon.  Plum should address it if he was Plum.  The rink should stay out of it.

That was an idiotic move by the dad, and the rink certainly has every right to take action, but likely the only action taken will be by the organization. The organization certainly should take action. Spectators entering the ice is both dangerous and explicitly prohibited by PIHL rules. Honestly what I worry about the most from that sort of behavior is escalation of the situation, such as other parents responding to it.

For me, the behavior of the parents who stayed in the stands was largely idiotic, too. Hard to see how they thought that yelling at opposing players leaving the ice was appropriate. As miked pointed out earlier in this thread, all of those parents are clearly audible on Livebarn, in their own voices, and you can see many of their faces. Shameful and stupid behavior is being recorded nowadays, folks. Almost all of the rinks have Livebarn. I'd keep that in mind.

What a disgusting spectacle. The behavior of the players was outrageous, but the behavior of the parents for both teams was imbecilic.

Regarding the parent who entered the ice, if I was the coach of that team I'd ban him myself.

36 minutes ago, Jack Handey said:

Yeah, they used to run one on their own.  See https://www.ahabadgers.com/news_article/show/565555 .   I guess it's gone now.  Can't blame them though.  Tournament planning is a ton of work and stress, especially over major holidays.  

Truer words have never been spoken.

There are a few. Hockey Time in running one out at Delmont - I guess that's the one that Jack Handey was talking about with the Badgers, above. I heard yesterday that they are looking for teams to fill out a few brackets.

Most rinks have facility-specific rules that would apply to this question, too.

No matter what may or may not have happened on the ice, it seems pretty classless and also like a very bad idea for a parent to do such a thing. I wouldn't hesitate to confront a parent who approached my own kid, or a kid I coach, and I'd call the police if they persisted and let the police sort it out. I have to believe that there are myriad ways to get into legal trouble VERY quickly by doing such a thing.

Just an observation - parents who do this sort of thing tend to develop a reputation, and I know of at least one parent who has adversely affected a placement for their player because teams didn't think their player was worth the hassle of the parent.

2 hours ago, Stinger17 said:

The Minnesota model starts with a split season and it doesn’t look like that will happen anytime soon. I personally believe that the current model in This area is limiting the growth of the sport and development of the players. 
 

Here’s a link to the report

http://online.fliphtml5.com/nums/chna/

 

That's fascinating. Lots to think about in that report.

Or we could just be happy for a local kid who did good.

21 minutes ago, Ihearthockey said:

My boys go to Clif Loya (sessions at both Lebo and Baierl) and they love it.  

They've also done TK

I've found that if you want a more dynamic session, lots of movements and techniques thrown together in one drill, then go to TK.  If you want a more focused approach, then go to Clif.  

My older one did UPMC and hated it.  He also did Yuri for Interel and absolutely loved it.  It's amazing how two camps, that focus on similar things, have an impact on the player.  

Seconded on the assessment of the TK sessions. They're really good, active sessions, covering a number of skills at once.

And then there is this from Wesbanco Arena, for anyone playing in Wheeling this season:

https://www.wheelingnailers.com/en/news/nailers-wesbanco-arena-announce-preseason-venue-change

https://wtov9.com/news/local/refrigeration-broken-nailers-left-without-ice-rink-at-start-of-season

https://weelunk.com/wheeling-nailers-find-temporary-home-at-wheeling-park-ice-rink/

The Nailers are practicing at Southpointe and/or Wheeling Park right now. They apparently hope to get a temporary ice surface in place in time to start their season in Wesbanco. As far as I can tell there's no news about when Wesbanco will have ice yet, though they're hoping to have ice for their home opener on October 19.