Happy Hockey Fan

PIHL does a horrible job of placing teams after they lose a bunch of scoring and seniors. Losing half a team to graduation always has a big negative effect on teams. It is even worse when those seniors account for 75% of the goals scored for a team. I have seen it time and time again over the years. Those two factors need to be added to their “formula” in order to make it much better. I have seen it happen to many schools. And has made some kids senior years really tough because they are playing in a division where they get beaten badly a lot of times and lose many games. Whereas if placed properly they would have been competitive but still not on a championship caliber team. Meaning they were way out of the correct division. It leads to teams going 1-19, or 2-18 etc. if TJ is losing half their team and are moved up, I believe they will probably struggle a little. Unless they have a program big enough to add quality players to their varsity roster. Do you know if they 1 or 2 JV teams? If they have 2, restocking the team may not be as hard. If they have 1 it will be much harder(especially if their only JV team barely have enough kids to play games).

Didn’t happen.

At 13U the Pens won one game 2-0, and lead another 3-2 going into the third (6-2) final. They had some competition. We’re definitely the better team, but it wasn’t a total cake walk.

I went in late for first game. Left, and came back on time before start of second game. Didn’t see any ticket tables set up like usual. No ticket takers at either entrance.

Armstrong presidents never care about their own people’s misbehavior. Just the other teams. Worst place to play as a visitor.

Went to a couple playoff games the other night. Two things I found strange, no admission fee, and no announcements during the game. No goals, assists, penalties announced.

Number one on the list. Worst of the worst homers.

You don’t seem to be a fan of RMU hockey.

A goalie can steal a game anytime. And the BH goalie is really good. If they win it will prove all of us thinking that the blue was a lesser division wrong.

It is like that in all major college sports. Most of the time a big name school wins it all. But there are a bunch of other teams that still compete, and sometimes knock off the big guys.

He is probably right. We shall find out soon enough with playoffs fast approaching.

Just curious why you brought me into it? Not sure why you would think that I would be ok with this. It is ridiculous people were scammed. I guess you think I would be ok with it because it is the parents choice? Not sure. Let me know. I have long said that anyone can call themselves AAA but that doesn’t make them AAA. Aviators used have a few teams that they claimed were AAA, called them the Stealth. Always a reach, and I said that those teams would have to play in to AA in PAHL. Couldn’t just say “we are AA” in PAHL.

I agree about A. I don’t see how the west has 5 teams in the top 8.

Well we are talking about the inconsistencies of PIHL. So yes. Are you from Avonworth?

Big reason why they are coop. But Montour has a kid come into 9th grade and actually go to school at Montour and PIHL shuts them down even after their roster was approved.

I also believe forcing some team that has 9 skaters play pure is a bad idea. The rule started that 12 is the number which I think is fair. And I also realize now that even if you have 12 skaters one year, you may not have 12 the next and would need to add players, hence the coop. And if a team has to go back and forth from moire to co-op every year that that would cause continuation problems. The goalie situation is always a tenuous one. Especially schools that have one goalie for both varsity and JV teams. And the eastern part of the state has A teams that have larger enrollments than some of Western PA’s AAA schools. Hence why I believe that no A school from the west will win States in the near future.

I think those rules are fair. I also still believe they had more than 12 skaters at least once since becoming coop. That being said, I also understand that having 12 one year and not in the previous or following years would have a serious effect on continuing a program if they played pure one year and had to go back to co-op. And I also I am happy for kids that get to play when they wouldn’t have a chance otherwise. I already do enough research into youth hockey and since I can’t find the info on the PIHL website about where each kid plays I’ll accept your answer as pretty truthful. Good Luck to Canevin the rest of the way!

If a school has enough kids to field a team without added players they should play pure. If they have 12 skaters and a goalie they should be pure. That is what is fair to all the other schools. And there are plenty of teams that have done this. Why can’t Canevin?

I don’t care what the rule says. If a school can field a team with less than a full roster they should do it. Because that is what some is what other teams do all the time. Listed what? I didn’t see a list of where the kids attend school on this thread or anywhere else for that matter.

I’d like to see the rosters with the kids schools listed. For the past five years. I’d bet that there have been enough kids from Canevin that they could field a pure team. If you have the information to prove me wrong I’d like to see that as well. I wouldn’t mind being wrong. But I can’t find enough information to prove it either way.

How do you determine how many kids on the roster actually attend Canevin? It doesn’t show on the PIHL website. Is it because you are a Canevin insider and know this for a fact? I’d like to see where each kid actually attends school.

Haven’t beaten my team. I am actually a fan of Bishop Canevin as I am a graduate of the school and played there myself. Maybe this year’s team has only 8 kids on the team that attend Canevin. But in the last few years there have been more than enough kids to field a pure team. I know this because I attended games to support my old team and talked to kids a number of times that were not playing, and they attended Canevin. I am talking 5 or 6 kids a game. There have been plenty of schools that play with less than a full team of skaters in the pure divisions. In fact, there have been teams in AA that have played without a full roster. (Which is another failure by PIHL). You can be a fan of a team or school and still disagree with how they make up their team. Good luck to Canevin the rest of the way!

Nobody in Class A from PIHL has shot at States in my opinion. You keep mentioning teams that have competitive and full JV teams should be in 2A. There are teams that have been barely able to field a JV team that have been forced to play AA and it has showed that they didn’t belong there. The competitive balance formula needs to take that as a more serious reason for not moving teams up. As well as taking into consideration how many seniors a team loses. North Hills is a perfect example of that this year. Bishop Canevin should have been removed from the open class years ago. They have had enough kids that attended the school to field teams without the Co-op players. They have played many many games with kids that actually attend the school watch from the stands while the co-op players played in every game. They manipulate the system so they can have their outstanding co-op players play all the while they could field a team without them. It is a shame that PIHL has let this happen. But I guess no one should be surprised by their lack of action as they have been manipulated before. When Moon won the open Class championship they had ONE player that didn’t attend Moon. It was an excuse not to play AAA that year. Which was also a ridiculous ask of Moon after losing so many seniors the previous year.

I really do not understand PIHLs reason for doing this. It is a disservice to many kids that may not get a chance to make the playoffs. But why should it surprise anyone? They fail miserably at selecting the right teams for divisions all the time. However, this seems to be politically motivated where as past mistakes have been a result of the “competitive “ balance formula that doesn’t take into account things like number of seniors lost.

Yeah that is what makes them chase the extra A. They are using that as a reason when in reality they are just chasing extra A’s.