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Saucey

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  1. I don't think ncaa Iii is the goal. I think the kids want to go to the Chel or Div 1. Which is my point, not a great choice to go do that.
  2. I have seen some very smart, good people make these kinds of decisions. Say, "I know it isn't going anywhere." And then proceed to overpay for a bad AAA or pay to play junior team. Some think they are getting more than they do, so do fall into that, bought the sales pitch or uneducated category. It really is very emotional for some people. What if....this does lead to something? Do I want them to accuse me of not helping them? You can't fight with that. But you can take advantage of that, and that has been pointed out here many, many times.
  3. I wouldn't knock anymone for paying $14000 a year to play junior Tier III who also understands ncaa div III is as high as their kid is going to get. But....is that really what people are aiming for when they do that?
  4. I think the following is the real reason...we, as humans, are programmed to think our kids are the best and/or want the best for them. Most good ones. Quite a few parents have trouble telling their kids no, too. They don't want to be the dream crushers and literally will finance their child's dream with their house or retirement. Even when all logic tells them it is not going to happen for their child. Or they can flat out afford it and don't care. Those feelings are some powerful stuff. You can't fight that with stats or logic or whatever. It's rooted in wanting to do right by your child, too, so it's hard to fault parents. This is a parent driven market. Until an organization steps in to rein in the AAAs nothing will change. And really, then a non USA sanctioned league would start. If the powers that be don't care why should any of us?
  5. They like to travel their kids like to travel the AA families are so lame because they only want to travel twice the AA programs don't offer enough ice or off ice it's our money let us spend it however we want it's none of your business. There. Took care of everything they will say. Can we talk about something else?
  6. Even if they can't compete in midams? There are still a lot of kids playing PAHL. Just AA wandering off.
  7. My suggestion was that you can play wherever you want just not compete in the good stuff for a year if you change. The point is there is so much shopping people who run organizations have trouble fielding teams. The AA player in a small pond could get out. Maybe an exception is made for a player who reaches that level but his program doesn't have it. Kid doesn't make a team parents think he should have, parents get bent out of shape and leave. A lot of times, once the dust settles and a season gets under way, if they stayed it becomes apparent the skill was judged correctly. Kid has a fine season. But in that haze of anger, they left. I mean, it could always be tweaked to address whatever. I would never want to hold a kid back from developing. I think the people who run these organizations and coach are saying...what happens now is not good. Parents are not the best judges. The point about smaller orgs is good....but then those smaller orgs sometimes just raid and recruit to get a AA team. They did squat for investment at lower levels to grow, but they told that dad coach he can do what he wants, sure bring your prayers over. There is no incentive to try and grow. The trend now is paid coaching at Tier II. That would change it up every age group. Or don't do a league at all. Everyone be independent. Scramble to make a schedule. Bore your players to tears by only playing for a ranking. I think AA pahl's final nail in the coffin will eventually be Black Bear, anyway. But some people are retiring from PAH Most organizations do this and it hasn't slowed the shopping down. People who can afford multiple try outs don't blink at further fees. People are nuts. Don't do it by geography. Play where you want, but suffer some sort of penalty for moving. Or limit number of moves in a lifetime like someone said. I like that idea for hockey. That allows a skilled player to get out of a small market or escape a bad coach. I am all for development and doing what works to develop kids. I just think parents shouldn't have the pull that they do around here. Most are horrible at judging their own kid's skill. Punish recruiting when it is reported. There's one.
  8. Nothing should prevent an organization from booting bad kids and families. Most organizations have rules that can be enforced. It might help clean up the bad behavior everyone complains about and from having those bad eggs just getting moved around from organization to organization. If you can't move junior,maybe people are forced to play nice. Eventually they do run out of places to play, but it takes forever since we are blessed with a lot of rinks. Irish dance prevents you from competing in certain sanctioned events for one year if you move schools. So you can move whenever, but you know you won't be able to compete for a while. USA hockey and Midam could do that. Wouldn't matter if you played independent or pahl, if you changed within the last year, no nationals or playoffs or whatever. So it really only affects the higher talent who want to qualify for Worlds or Nationals. Everyone else can go where they want. You could have it so it only applies to AA. People could still move to develop their kid, they just wouldn't get into the bigger competitions for a year. Or play A major for a year. It would encourage organizations to grow below instead of just pilfering from all the big organizations. It would apply to independent as well....you might pick up those kids, but you can't use them in that year's playoffs or tournaments. It would make families consider more carefully where they go play, it retains some choice for families, but eliminates the grass is greener jumping that encourages bad behavior from coaches with recruiting. Which is on the books that you aren't allowed to do wink wink wink wink. It is really hard to develop properly and run an organization when people can just jump jump every year. This is broader picture stuff. I do believe our market is driven more by parents than a broader picture for development overall.
  9. Lovely thought. I am happy to talk to the kids any day and do so. Best is when a kid asks you what they can work on. Parents are another story. I could care less where a kid plays these days as I have zero skin in the game, so chasing them away is not a concern, but I don't want to be attacked or argue with someone. Unless my opinion is solicited from a parent, which suggests they may listen to what I have to say, I don't bother with them. In fact, if they are yelling from the stands, that signals to me the parent is likely a lost cause, since they obviously already know more than the coaches. Again, who loses in this scenario? The kids.
  10. It's not me I worry about tuning them out souch. I see little shoulders hunch and players who become completely distracted by what's coming out of the stands. Not to mention what I am sure happens in the car....
  11. I wish people would chill. I coach less and less each year. Every time I find what I think is an insane parent free zone, someone comes along and spoils it, sitting in the stands to yell at their 8 year old who still has trouble keeping his shoes tied let alone figure out defensive zone coverage. (And tell them wrong things, to boot.) There is no such zone, I guess. I purposely sought out some really low level stuff, thinking no one will take that too seriously and I can't believe the behavior. ? You are chasing the coaches as well as the refs away, too, you crazy people. I still do it because despite the behavior, the kids make it fun. But I can definitely see the day when I will be done.
  12. RMU has something like that too, I forget what scheduling site they use. It's a little cumbersome to use.
  13. It gets old. Scroll through two people just insulting each other....more insults...two people acting Insane about kids hockey...oh, a nugget of something worth thinking about....more insults....we can do better. This board is better than Michigan's, however.
  14. Sigh. Can't anymore on this board figure out how to have a discussion without name calling and mud slinging? Always so delightful.
  15. Oh dear lord. The first week of rankings. But you keep pounding your chest about whoever.
  16. The rah rah as for the Vengeance was nice. I have trouble respecting the Vengeance and their ilk because they take checks from kids who are not AA players. No credibility there. At least icemen and Esmark are straight up with parents about the season that they are about to embark on. Crow about the 08s all you want....the most talented of that lot will leave to get exposure, and then you get what you see at the older levels. Before the most talented left for Pens or Esmark. Now the Barron's are an option if you and the kid can handle cyber school and billeting. (Takes money and a mature kid to do that...tons of sacrifice.) They have to. If you aren't playing at the right tournaments, the people who can advance you aren't seeing you. You are already behind the eight ball because those eyes weren't watching you when you were 14 Case in point...midget Vengeance is peppered with North Pittsburgh kids that people observed shouldn't have been at Mid Ams last year. I don't know how you hreak this stuff. Money, connections still play a heavy influence in the hockey world. Guess Black Bear will be the next model coming here to offer families a new dream, in exchange for their dollars.
  17. OMG can the PPE and Vengeance dad go have their fight privately. ?
  18. Takes five years to figure out being a low level AAA team and playing only for a ranking isn't much fun. ? I guess Black Bear will change that since their league has playoffs, etc? But still won't be able to compete nationally because you will likely still be a low level AAA team.
  19. This is so important and you need to remind your kid of this from time to time. If they broke their leg and can't play, would they still be happy at the school? This may not be accurate at all schools, but a local college coach told us that the difference between the ACHA teams there was how much commitment you wanted to give to the team, with the 1 team having most practices, travel, etc. (I took that with a grain of salt, still think more talent is going to put you on team 1.)
  20. I don't know, maybe it's the pandemic, they don't have spots or something.
  21. Why do programs tell kids to go play juniors, then? I agree with you that it is BS....but it is not BS in the sense that coaches ARE telling kids this. I think it is terrible.
  22. Unfortunately there are quite a few college club programs telling kids they need to go play juniors to make the team. For club hockey. ? Not all of them, there are plenty around here that don't. I wouldn't take a kid out of high school to end up in club hockey. And...I would pause a long time before spending 10 to 14 thousand per year to do it. And if you are a player top of the game in Tier Ii or a AAA high school program, I don't think that is necessarily true although they will tell you otherwise because they benefit from having older, more mature bodies for four years. They can walk on during a try out. Because...even though they are young, they are still more talented than the kid who wasn't top of the game coming out of pay to play juniors. But for anyone else dreaming of continuing to play in college, that is their route. If mom and dada are willing to foot that bill ... ?‍♂️ Look at the prior year roster. They usually list age and where they played, or you can find on elite prospects. Really good ACHA Diiv 1 teams are filled with older kids who played some sort of juniors or AAA. Be aware that to some extent you may be setting them behind their peers. Their friends will start getting real jobs, married, starting families. Your kid will still be messing around with hockey and school. Maybe having a hard time finding a girl because they aren't.aking money. Mentally that can be hard. All to extend a hockey career that won't go past college for club hockey....
  23. This is a different take that may be helpful to new parents that I appreciate. If you really feel the need to do AAA, independent, whatever, I would rather see kids do it at an older age. Pewee, Squirt, even bantam...so much on a family before they hit puberty and really see if they have talent. And no one ever cares when I say this, because it is all me me my kid my money around here, but I struggle with how this helps develop the sport overall. Pushing an already cost prohibitive sport to even a higher expense makes no sense to me and will at some point hurt growth. Why you wouldn't want to encourage and find ways to allow all to participate from the USA Hockey perspective makes no sense to me. You want the best athletes, yes? Not just the best athletes with money. There are other countries who don't follow this travel/elite model and they are putting out incredibly talented players.
  24. Hahaha so the ultimate butt hurt guy making his own team when his kid didn't make the team he thought he should be on. Sigh. Except he has more money.
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