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Reading another forum regarding comments made by the PAHL rules' committee, it didn't sound as if there was a great understanding of the girls' landscape. There is no pending litigation, only a fear. There is a prevailing knee jerk reaction that is appealing in its simplicity. "It's not fair that boys can't play Tier I and on a PAHL team and girls can, that is not equal, so hence we are subject to liability." This goes to how a segment of society is viewing affirmative action outreaches in general. This thought process ignores the reality of what it is to be female and try to play. Even Tier I girls teams struggle to find appropriate competition. There are not more than a team or two legit AA teams around here. So good female hockey players struggle to find appropriate competition to develop. Having teams made up of a wide range of age differences is frustrating to development. Playing with boys helps that development, but as others said, also has a lot of drawbacks. Not every girl is going to want that. I don't know what the solution is. Triple rostering is a terrible idea, because that does not help the team that comes in as the last choice for that player. Beer league minutes on youth sports teams because of lack of bodies also hurts development, but hey, there is a team out there! I just don't get the sense that the people who are looking at making this actually knows what it is to be female and try to play around here or sufficiently care. What is new?

It's been a few years but we found it to be a giant waste of time. I am not the only one. I don't think it hurts to go, but to move on as a Tier 2 player is....the exception for sure.

Theoretically the elite are at Pens. No way Icemen can make that claim. No matter, when teams are 'evenly' sorted for the weekend the wanna bes are on the outside looking in, even the PPE players.

You mean the Icemen can no longer send entire teams? ☺️

Never been a fan of SCIR teams. But they have been very successful, and they have to give up everything to become an organization that has had....a few successes. Bleh.

I don't disagree. But paid coaches are used as a sales pitch, like they are always better.

It's also a sales pitch....paid coaches!

Or you could just look for the team and coach that develops your kid and fits with him the best. I loathe this fascination with by by by. My kids definitely benefited from playing with and against older players.

This makes some sense to me. Stats were available when my kid first started, then they shut it off. I don't remember the exact reason why, but it wasn't to prevent poaching. Maybe that became the reason. I seem to think it had more to do with kids and parents focusing too much on stats over development. I did hate when goals and assists were attributed to the wrong kids in PIHL. They use those stats to pick All Stars.

That sounds like it was so much fun.

Hockey should be a bonus with club hockey, nor the reason that you picked the school and for sure.

This is a great article but it only really touches on the very top tier of club hockey, which, just like few kids are gonna play DI, few are going to get on these teams. It didn't delve into anything else that you might find.

I have been on here a few years and discussed my views on hockey in this area many times. You participated in many of those threads. My opinion hasn't changed, my kids are almost aged out and I no longer care enough to engage and repeat. If you really want to refresh, you can read my old posts

He is a cheerleader Grandpa, claiming that he wants to learn the sport. However, he is not overly tolerant of criticism from people who have been playing or have kids playing in the system for years. His desire is to be constantly positive, which is cool. But he pounces on people who are not, which I find not cool.

Definitely some teams that should have been placed differently. There are kids who can barely skate on some these teams. Yay for the watering of AA.

This just happened a few years ago. 16 yr old bled out on the ice. There was some more additional enforcement by some refs in both PIHL and PAHL and then nothing again.

At least as a spectator at Belmont, you can hide in the balcony.

Facts. Always get homered at Belmont. Although there are a lot of teams losing FPP in those age groups it seems.

I feel this was to be expected. Most teams are very young with little standout talent. PAHL at 16uAA is looking very similar. The level of hockey is disappointing, not nearly as good as prior years.

Yes, this too! The school needs to meet 'the broken leg test'. If something should happen to your player and they can't play or decide that they don't want to, are they going to be happy at the school. Congratulations to your son.

Club hockey is weird because the schools seem to set the criteria for what makes M2, M3 etc.RMU told us the levels there really have to do with commitment after the one team. So if you don't want to practice much per week, maybe you look at the last team. Your skill might not mean much between those levels. My boy was told he could play any level there he wanted to, depending on how much time he wanted to devote. And for RMU....there is reason club hockey was not touched when they cut the D1 program. Those teams do attract kids and tuition. Some of those schools, hockey is a draw for people and the school uses hockey as an attraction. Everything Danner said is right on, except in the last few years, it has become harder to make a club team at a big school, which is so disappointing. (And all the more reason not to be chasing around these faux AAA teams, etc) Frustrating that spots are taken up by older players who had the money to pay to play for those Tier III Jr teams. And the pandemic caused a bottle neck. The schools my boy got admitted to, some with fantastic hockey programs and who recruited him heavily.... academically did not have what he wanted to study or were ..not very good schools. Or located in a really bad area like IUP. And like Danner said, at the end of the day, they aren't getting a degree in hockey. The area of study, the school itself, finances, fit for kid... should come ahead of the hockey. If you get the hockey, treat it as a bonus. It all ends at some point. Soon they will be terrorizing us old farts still trying to play.

I would hazard that it would be really hard to do this, considering how different all the teams operate. Scores, schedules and games aren't reliably reported anywhere, either.

Although it is easy to forget on this board, hockey is a pretty tight community. When someone is hurting, you do see people step up all the time.

But....I don't have positive things to say! So why bother responding when you will bemoan that I am so negative! He loved his hockey experience. No regrets there

Cool, cool. Do that, for sure. But you also seem to have an unrelenting desire to chide people for being negative, by your definition. You don't have anything to add to the conversation other than.....be positive! As nd a bunch of exclamation points.