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That 2005 Icemen team was Tier 2 that season, not AAA, and they weren’t the top spot. The top MIDAM/PA Bantam team that season was 2004 Mt Lebo, rated 92.77. There were 8 teams in MIDAM/PA rated higher than that Icemen team’s 87.10 rating. Just trying to understand your post...

Do some research. Look back at prior seasons on MyHockey. Talk to people. Look at team ratings. If they are the same as Tier II team ratings, it’s really not a AAA team.

Speaking from experience with a spring team last year, I would say proceed with caution and take the “terms and conditions” very seriously. We aren’t out of the woods with this pandemic, so be prepared to not get what you paid for and/or lose money if you do sign up and they can’t deliver.

Most teams enjoy playing a highly ranked team that they wouldn’t have the opportunity to otherwise. Hopefully by 18U that in itself would be considered a “win” instead of going home with a meaningless trophy and title. Nice job ATC on attracting some really good teams. The 16U bracket looks like it was especially impressive.

Honestly, why bother? There is incredible inconsistency in the enforcement of the restrictions. Some rinks won’t take the chance of getting caught, while others have been told by local law enforcement that they won’t cite them if they are open. If everyone continues to do whatever they want, the numbers won’t go down, and this shutdown will just be extended. People need to be wearing masks anytime they aren’t with people in their household, and respect each other’s personal space and we wouldn’t need a damn shutdown. No one has to stay home if we do a few simple things. But people are just too selfish to do that. Don’t inconvenience them. It’s everyone else’s responsibility to do what’s right. Everyone who is complaining about hockey and other sports being shutdown, ask your kids if they are wearing masks in the locker room. You may be hoping they are, but guess what - the majority aren’t. It’s a big joke to them. The players are missing games, but the downstream impact to the rinks, leagues, organizations, team managers, etc is huge. Is it worth it?

I completely agree. Hopefully there is compliance, but I have my doubts. If there isn’t compliance, count on hockey getting shutdown in PA like so many other states.

Bacteria infections from wearing a mask too long? It’s been proven? If you’re going to make that claim, provide a reputable source please. It’s interesting how healthcare workers have survived all these years from the bacterial infections.

The PIHL has basically put it on the organizations to enforce. “It is each Member Association’s responsibility to make sure its players and coaches are aware of this Face Coverings Policy and to disseminate within its organization any changes in this policy. It is also each Member Association’s responsibility to require compliance with this Face Coverings Policy at all PIHL sanctioned events by its coaching staff and players to ensure the safety of the players, coaches, their families and the general public.” So what happens when one team is wearing them and the other isn’t? The refs aren’t enforcing it (which I agree with). The game coordinators should have some responsibility in this. There is absolutely no guidance on what to do if the opposing team isn’t in compliance. It also should not be the responsibility of the rink to police this. I see this getting ignored and getting ugly.

It’s not a rink thing, regional thing, league thing... it’s a STATE ORDER. That means everyone will have to comply or sports are very likely to be shutdown. https://www.health.pa.gov/topics/disease/coronavirus/Pages/Guidance/Universal-Masking-FAQ.aspx Does the Order apply to athletes and sports activities? Yes. Everyone who participates in sport activities including coaches, athletes (including cheerleaders), and spectators must wear a face covering, such as a mask, unless they fall under an exception in Section 3 of the Order. Indoors: Coaches, athletes (including cheerleaders), and spectators must wear face coverings, when indoors and where another person or persons who are not members of the individual's household are present in the same space, irrespective of physical distance. This includes while actively engaged in workouts, competition, and on the sidelines, etc. Outdoors: Coaches, athletes (including cheerleaders), and spectators must wear face coverings if they cannot maintain sustained physical distance from persons outside of their household. This includes while actively engaged in workouts, competition, and on the sidelines, in the dugout, etc. If sustained six-foot distancing can be maintained, face coverings may be removed when outdoors.

What started as a weak topic (Icemen - why? should really be “who cares?”) actually turned into a decent discussion. Now it’s devolved into basically insinuating that other posters are pedophiles and we have others liking that. You’re the ones who are sick minded.

So please tell us - why the new profile name with the “a” added to the end?

The 25 limit is also what the PIHL is following for JV and MS hockey at this point. If PAHL does the same, it would likely be a league decision that all teams have to follow, rather than each team or org deciding how they want to play.

Two interesting paragraphs from the article: “If the charge is, that there are things that don’t make sense, I’m guilty,” Wolf said. “What we’ve done is work with organizations…to see if we can figure out what is a more sensible policy. Sometimes we disagree, but that sounds like one that is, in fact, inconsistent.” Wolf said his administration would continue working with organizations to try and make sure “that we are consistent and doing the right thing.” Check out the “Let Hockey Play” movement on the Atlantic district’s website: https://www.atlantic-district.org So now I’m going to be blunt. WHERE IN THE HELL IS MIDAM? WHY ARE WE SEEING NO EFFORT BY OUR PA MIDAM REPS TO WORK WITH AND EDUCATE OUR LEGISLATURE? Thankfully the affiliate representing the eastern part of the state is actually trying to get this situation fixed and we will benefit if that happens! Guess what, we pay USA Hockey and affiliate fees so situations like this are addressed. I hope that I’m wrong, but it looks like MIDAM has failed us up to this point.

I’m not sure that it’s possible, but I’d like to hear some opinions without getting into politics, or rink or organization bashing. We all know the current mandates and the potential adjustments that are being proposed for how hockey will be played this season, at least until some of the restrictions are lifted in our favor. We also know that there are a few rinks in the area that are operating “business as usual” for the most part - 5v5 games, full benches, and no spectator limits. So, is this a problem, or will what they are doing actually help us move forward and get some of the restrictions lifted? When you see well publicized events happening, such as the soccer tournament, Trump rally in Latrobe, protests, etc, that don’t abide by the mandates, it makes me think that it gives those rinks and orgs a leg to stand on if anyone actually tried to take legal action. The USA Hockey/MIDAM statement on not sanctioning games really only seems to be a legal CYA on their part. They are discouraging going against the state mandates, but does anyone really believe the games being played aren’t going to “count” towards MIDAMS? As someone mentioned earlier, is anyone really enforcing that? This isn’t meant to bash MIDAM, but do we really think they are going to look at LiveBarn (where available), check scoresheets for reduced rosters and MYHockey for reported games to decide if it should be sanctioned or not? I won’t be surprised if those not following the rules come out as the winners in this whole scenario. Thoughts?

It’s really not about PAHL or PIHL going against what the governor has ordered. These leagues could, but it doesn’t change that USA Hockey/MIDAM won’t sanction the games that are played because they don’t meet the state’s requirement. Parents may not care about the USA Hockey implications, but the associations, leagues and rinks do. Pushing for a change in the state mandate seems to be the only solution.

https://tribhssn.triblive.com/gov-wolf-lifts-ban-on-spectators-at-interscholastic-sports/

Yes they do. And it would be great if PA would adopt a similar plan. https://coronavirus.ohio.gov/static/publicorders/DO-Sports-First-Amended-08.28.20.pdf

Yes, but at least there has been some discussion that didn’t just start yesterday. Restrictions seem to be put in place quickly, but lifted at a snails pace. Hopefully this snail has made some progress in the past few weeks.

Glimmer of hope? https://www.northcentralpa.com/covid-19/piaa-spectator-rules-may-see-a-revision-in-the-next-few-days-gov-wolf/article_f77fea4a-d5b9-11ea-b990-b3e83fda75ea.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share

It’s great that there is a legislative push for changes. However, I’d like to see school gyms, fields, and of course rinks be put in the same category as “indoor recreation and health wellness facilities”, instead of “indoor gatherings”. If this happens, nearly all of the issues go away. Indoor Recreation and Health and Wellness Facilities (such as gyms and spas) Open at 50% Occupancy with Appointments Strongly Encouraged; Fitness Facilities Are Directed to Prioritize Outdoor Fitness Activities

Sorry - I wasn’t clear. I wasn’t suggesting different rules for every rink. I’m talking about indoor venue size, regardless of if it’s sports related. But to use sports as an example, a volleyball or basketball team plays in a smaller venue and playing area than a hockey rink. Why shouldn’t the capacity be scaled to venue size? I get that it means more people, but a bigger area should be able to handle more people. That was the argument with the car show. Yes, it was outside, but there was enough space to maintain social distancing.

I haven’t seen anything official from MIDAM yet, but my understanding is that USA Hockey and MIDAM won’t sanction any games held in states that have restrictions in place. So no sanctioned games in PA because of the 25 max indoor mandate, but OH can because their state doesn’t have the same limits. I get that there needs to be some limitations, but this blanket rule is too broad. Size of the venue and playing surface should be part of the equation.

It looks like there is more to the story and it was hardly a secret. Crap reporting from WPXI, as usual. I read about this in June. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pennlive.com/news/2020/06/carlisle-car-shows-will-go-on-pa-health-department-to-withdraw-covid-19-lawsuit-event-spokesman-says.html%3foutputType=amp https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pennlive.com/coronavirus/2020/06/carlisle-car-show-goes-on-with-smaller-but-excited-crowd-event-spokesman-says.html%3foutputType=amp

That’s because hockey is not a PIAA sport.

The only thing that is certain is continued uncertainty. Our family is all in with a school team, two PAHL teams and an independent team. We believe the independent team is the most at risk due to the out of area travel. Yes, we are definitely taking a financial risk, but that is a choice each family has to decide if they are willing and able to make.