Lifelongbender

And, of course, there's also the inevitable question of why the whole thing is such a big deal to so many who aren't directly affected. If the kids' families have the money to pay-to-play, and it matter that much to them, so be it. It's on the kids and their parents to do the research and be properly informed.

I agree 100%. This design takes care of one of the crippling issues that site would have had - parking. I can't see any way to make the Armory work without parking vehicles inside the building, under roof. I also read that the City/County/DOT have committed to upgrading the local road there. Because access to this location is the other crippling issue. It is not going to be an easy site to get into and out of, and I bet the locals come to hate the rink almost immediately because of the traffic.

Well, I assume that if you can build a sheet of ice and a refrigeration plant this way, you can get the Zamboni up there, too. Hard to imagine they missed that in their considerations. Dumber things HAVE happened, though.

One of the guys I know sent me to this website when I just asked him: http://www.perkinseastman.com/project_3432843_hunt_armory_ice_complex And to this website as well: https://www.nextpittsburgh.com/city-design/hunt-armory-ice-rink-office-development-moves-forward-thanks-to-state-grant/ The key takeaway is a paragraph near the bottom: "Once completed, the new and improved complex will be centered around two skating rinks — an NHL regulation-sized rink and a smaller, 100-by-60-foot rink." That's one sheet of hockey-suitable ice. It would appear that parking is planned for indoors.

I've heard conflicting rumors about this, some from people in a very good position to know. I'd love to hear the truth on it, too. I don't see how six hockey teams could drive to, park at, and then get out of the Armory at the same time (if they use the typical two on the ice, two coming in as two leave model). I'd heard they were planning to park cars under the Armory's roof, but I then heard that was off the table. And I just don't see how the neighborhood roads can handle that level of traffic. Cool building though.

These two sentences probably apply to the "AAA" teams at every organization in the entire tri-state area.

If an overnight camp is what you're looking for, my kids have both enjoyed the Kent State camps for several years. It's close to home and reasonably priced.

Boys, at some point you have to come to the realization that trying to convince a guy he's being a jerk ends up making you sound just as bad as it goes on. Just go to your account settings and ignore the guy who bugs you and your days will be much happier and maybe we can actually talk about hockey constructively rather than just argue about who is the bigger 1) idiot and/or 2) jerk. Just my $0.02, but I actually like the hockey talk that sometimes breaks out here during the fighting. For my part, I haven't seen any evidence that fear of competition is a serious issue at the JV games I attend with some regularity. I guess maybe I'm stupid, but that's my observation.

I don’t know about the Vengeance, and the various reasons why a rink would or would not have LiveBarn. But I do wish that LiveBarn had a Roku app.

YMCA (the old Bethel Park Bladerunners) doesn't have it.

Obviously this is hearsay, but you're saying that a player who was at the meeting for a disciplinary hearing lost his temper? Wow, it's hard to see how that could happen. You'd think they'd have been well coached before they got there. Of course the entire incident probably invalidates the supposition that the players are well coached. But that's just hard to imagine.

I guess I assumed that aaaahockey was joking when he wrote that.

Honestly these both seem like commonsense provisions in the rules. On the other hand, in a sane world there'd be no need for a rule about running up the score to that extent. Everyone knows and remembers who the classless coaches and programs are. The rest of us try to impart sportsmanship and respect into our players, and lead by example.

I'd love to see the equivalent PAHL list.

That report is fascinating. It's incredible to me that there were so many issues with parents confronting officials directly, including, of all things, entering the referee locker room. What kind of idiotic behavior is that? Honestly, it's amazing to me that we can even find officials to schedule, given the way they are constantly berated. It's been my experience that, in the vast majority of situations where parents complain about calls either made or not made, I agreed with the officials.

I'm not sure what to make of that. It sure seems from the player's reaction that she felt that she was pushed. From the front page of their organization's website (https://www.claringtonflames.ca/?

That was an idiotic move by the dad, and the rink certainly has every right to take action, but likely the only action taken will be by the organization. The organization certainly should take action. Spectators entering the ice is both dangerous and explicitly prohibited by PIHL rules. Honestly what I worry about the most from that sort of behavior is escalation of the situation, such as other parents responding to it. For me, the behavior of the parents who stayed in the stands was largely idiotic, too. Hard to see how they thought that yelling at opposing players leaving the ice was appropriate. As miked pointed out earlier in this thread, all of those parents are clearly audible on Livebarn, in their own voices, and you can see many of their faces. Shameful and stupid behavior is being recorded nowadays, folks. Almost all of the rinks have Livebarn. I'd keep that in mind.

What a disgusting spectacle. The behavior of the players was outrageous, but the behavior of the parents for both teams was imbecilic. Regarding the parent who entered the ice, if I was the coach of that team I'd ban him myself.

Truer words have never been spoken.

There are a few. Hockey Time in running one out at Delmont - I guess that's the one that Jack Handey was talking about with the Badgers, above. I heard yesterday that they are looking for teams to fill out a few brackets.

Most rinks have facility-specific rules that would apply to this question, too. No matter what may or may not have happened on the ice, it seems pretty classless and also like a very bad idea for a parent to do such a thing. I wouldn't hesitate to confront a parent who approached my own kid, or a kid I coach, and I'd call the police if they persisted and let the police sort it out. I have to believe that there are myriad ways to get into legal trouble VERY quickly by doing such a thing. Just an observation - parents who do this sort of thing tend to develop a reputation, and I know of at least one parent who has adversely affected a placement for their player because teams didn't think their player was worth the hassle of the parent.

That's fascinating. Lots to think about in that report.

Or we could just be happy for a local kid who did good.

Seconded on the assessment of the TK sessions. They're really good, active sessions, covering a number of skills at once.

And then there is this from Wesbanco Arena, for anyone playing in Wheeling this season: https://www.wheelingnailers.com/en/news/nailers-wesbanco-arena-announce-preseason-venue-change https://wtov9.com/news/local/refrigeration-broken-nailers-left-without-ice-rink-at-start-of-season https://weelunk.com/wheeling-nailers-find-temporary-home-at-wheeling-park-ice-rink/ The Nailers are practicing at Southpointe and/or Wheeling Park right now. They apparently hope to get a temporary ice surface in place in time to start their season in Wesbanco. As far as I can tell there's no news about when Wesbanco will have ice yet, though they're hoping to have ice for their home opener on October 19.