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This is the kind of thing victims have complained about for a long time. Disbelief. Slaps on wrist. It's not just the Catholic Church or USA hockey. It's pervasive throughout our society. Blackmailing a child for sex, even if the perpetrator was a minor at the time, is incredibly repulsive, aberrant behavior that is not going to be a one off. How many others were hurt by this silence? I hope our culture is changing to protect sexual assault victims.

That was a nice tribute.

So create a different thread.

PIHL did address this ages ago and crowd control was not put on the refs, but on the schools. Everyone who has kids who play PIHL hockey received messaging from their home organization on how school crowds would be handled. I haven't heard of any further issues. Schools are hyperaware right now. I think this thread has outlived its usefulness and should be closed. If you want to continue discussing reffing, maybe make another thread.

Looking at the schedule, NA plays a lot of those teams heading into playoffs.

Not any more.

Franklin Regional is number one in penalty minutes, anyway. There is talent there, but it spends a lot of time in the box

How are the outdoor rinks going to accommodate fans?

Yeah, or in the summer. Just go to a court with friends.

I theorize that it is because our kids have less time to play on their own around here, with less access to ice to allow for the game to teach them. No outdoor rinks, etc. Small area games would be USA hockey's answer.With passing....gotta make em do it I guess. But I don't really know what is different in training. I just know that seems to be the glaring difference between our teams and those from the big markets.

To me it's not that, but when was the last time that one of the Western Pa teams that went up to Nationals do well? Seems, with the exception of the girls, western Pa teams get their butts handed to them. Our market still doesn't compare on that level of competition. We are getting better. Our teams don't have comparable hockey IQ and our passing game looks nothing like the teams at that top level.

https://www.post-gazette.com/business/development/2021/11/22/Hunt-Armory-Pittsburgh-Penguins-Shadyside-Emerson-Street-Urban-Redevelopment-Authority-Bill-Peduto-National-Hockey-league/stories/202111220145#:~:text=For decades%2C the armory%2C opened,the state two years ago. Who actually owns it? Looks like combined endeavor. I don't think it is the Pens alone. Good article with more info on intended uses. I heard the demand for the programming already is high, which is great! People who live in the City do go to games, watch on tv, buy merch. Not everyone in the City is poor. ? The suburban entitlement on display in this thread is great. The article mentions the new owners hopefully making even more investments, so hopefully, parking sometime in the future.

No clue dude. I just figured all the hand wringing is a bit much considering the stated main purpose of the rink. The outdoor city rinks don't concern themselves with renting every minute at a high cost. Maybe this is similar. It's not just Pen's ownership.

Everyone is complaining about the parking. It is set in an urban setting, and the main anticipated user appears to be people who live in the City and use public transportation. People who have to drive into the City aren't the audience. At some point, this will be addressed, I am sure. I am glad they got it up and running and I hope it gets some kids playing who wouldn't have had the opportunity otherwise.

Except you look at those competitive club rosters and a large number are older and did play a few years before starting even the club team. ? Too expensive to do that imho. I am with you, try to see if you can get on rather than play some low level juniors. That is co crazy to me.

Shame on him, then. Develop what you have. People need to stop behaving as if playing lower level hockey is somehow less. Kids learn the same life skills, get exercise, learn discipline, friendships. It's a great game, however you are picking up the stick.

People push at PAHL to make changes because 'everyone is leaving.' Well...what do you do with something like this? PAHL put them in the right division. Let them be AA just because they want it? What about not wasting other AA teams' time? Maybe a ban from competing in Mid Ams too, or something, for a few years, in addition to a fine. In Irish Dance, in order to prevent families from jumping schools all the time, you aren't allowed to compete for a few years if you change schools There are some exceptions. Can't fix crazy, I guess. Parents are ruining this sport.

Brianne McLaughlin played goalie for the Olympic team. That high enough?

Do they play some sort of juniors first?

Do we really want them involved in school hockey, really? They messed up the youth scene a ton.

I asked this before, what more do you see the Foundation doing? I couldn't make it out from your original post. Buying the rinks? I don't really know how the programs you mentioned as examples are run, so I was curious for more details.

I get it, but the low numbers are used too often as a shield imho. Primary responsibility of the refs is to protect the players. Miss an offsides, goal, fine. Ignore the bad behavior right in front of you...I think we should be complaining. Our governing bodies share some blame for this. There are players who develop a rep for only playing to hurt kids and they get passed around from organization to organization, rather than being booted entirely from the game. Kids booted from their school teams get too much time in PAHL to continue to target children and vice versa. I don't know how many times last year I heard that there is no point to complain about no calls or light punishment rendered by refs for serious injuries rendered by these types of players because there aren't enough refs. The checking rules requiring a play to be made for the puck are STILL rarely called, and we've had that for a few years now. Puck kinda only needs to be in the vacinity for a check to be ok. Call it, call the late hits. What happened to the Mars goalie and the type of behavior I just described, we really need you, refs. Please protect our kids. I hear your complaints as well, refs. The behavior in the stands is also a huge problem. Organizations need to start policing their own. Help the refs out by not being an ahole and helping to figure out how to curb the aholes sitting next to you. The refs and USA Hockey and PIHL, PAHL etc have been pleading with us to do so for years. Armstrong apparently didn't care and/or bother to try and curb behavior for years and became subject to some national level embarrassment. Wake up call for all programs. It is a multi pronged issue with many shoulders that responsibility falls on. In this thread, I have seen responsibility being handed off and deflected. We need to all be a part of the solution. We need to do better by our kids.

Pens model of development is like giving out some 'seed money'. Like donations here and there for various rink upgrades around town. Building deks around town. Buying the jerseys for a program. Hosting youth hockey websites. They want to empower others to develop the game, be in the background, not owners of it. You can disagree with that, but they are a private entity. Although encouraging development is good for them in the long run for their fan base.

Honestly, that surge of interest to attend that game did not come from the Pens. That was the hockey community in general. My social media blew up in various groups I belong to and plans were being made to go to that game well before the Pens got involved I feel like they rode the wave, rather than built it. What are suggesting they do?

The NHL runs a campaign where they state, 'Hockey is for everyone.' With the amount of incidents the sport experiences regarding race and sex, my point is that it has a long way to go to get to the sentiment of that campaign. And yes, it is expensive, which is another barrier.