Goalie coaches

[Nepotisim_anyone]

I’m over Shane Clifford for Pittsburgh goalies. Who else is there that your goalies like? 

[newhockeydad]

My son is a new part time goalie and we did the Industry Goaltending camp at RMU this summer. JT did a really good job and my son learned quite a bit. 

 

www.industrygoaltending.com 

[TeamRamRod]

https://www.wtae.com/article/kyle-dirks-youth-hockey-couch-butler-iowa-sex-abuse/62485128

[Wes]

1 hour ago, Nepotisim_anyone said:

I’m over Shane Clifford for Pittsburgh goalies. Who else is there that your goalies like? 

So let me open Pandora's box and ask why?

My son went to him from around age 11-15/16 and I thought he did an OK job, but that ended around 2016.  What went downhill?

[Wes]

Here in 2024, now that my kids have graduated college, in hindsight I'd say both in person reviews and analysis of play along with video review of the same would be very beneficial to a goalie who is really interested in learning the position.

However, in my son's entire goalie career, and that was mostly at AA/AAA levels, not once did a goalie coach ever do an in-game review of his play.  There is so many more nuances to the position than just the drills you do with a goalie coach.  Don't get me wrong, those drills help by getting the technique down, but I'd think first hand analysis would be the best thing.

The ability to discuss specific scenarios with a goalie based on their real in game performance in my mind would really help goalies who are aspiring to be the best.

 

 

Edited October 2, 2024 by Wes

[James Gatz]

Like so many other aspects of hockey, there is a correlation between cost and the amount of services the consumer receives.  A general menu might look like:

Free--no supplemental goalie training.  Only coaching is whatever they get, if anything, during team practices.  Some organizations may offer bi-weekly goalie clinics.

~$40-$45/50 minute session--supplemental goalie clinic with multiple stations, goalies, and coaches in a session.  Probably looking at a 3:1 or 4:1 ratio without too much time for individual instruction.  Times are limited and inflexible due to requiring full sheet.

~$50-$75 per 30-45 minute session--private or semi-private with 1-2 goalies sharing a crease.  Can be done on goalie creases opening scheduling options.  Mostly drills, but more easily tailored to the individuals compared to the clinic format.

~$75 plus, start adding video analysis

>$100 outside coach will attend team practices or games, video training and instruction based on game video.  

 

For most A and AA goalies, the first couple pay tiers offer a good return on investment in my opinion. 

[nemesis8679]

6 hours ago, TeamRamRod said:

https://www.wtae.com/article/kyle-dirks-youth-hockey-couch-butler-iowa-sex-abuse/62485128

Another example showing that all of the clearances and other bullshit youth sports puts people through means absolutely nothing as far as keeping abusers and molesters away from kids, as long as they haven't been caught yet.

And maybe not really even then. 

 

[sarampage]

8 hours ago, TeamRamRod said:

https://www.wtae.com/article/kyle-dirks-youth-hockey-couch-butler-iowa-sex-abuse/62485128

My son did lessons with him at Baierl the first year Shane had his sheet there.  Always thought he was a little odd.  He  just moved from Sioux City and Shane told me he had been scouting for the Musketeers.  It was also during COVID and it was convenient since his HS team played out of there.  Looked at my phone and still have pages of texts with him.  Very sad to think about the monster he may be.  With that said, Shane was his his first coach at 12U and we often traveled to Alpha for lessons. I thought Shane was good...definitely a different personality, but he knows his stuff and he'll tell you like it is.

For the last few years of HS, he ended up going to Mike Chiasson at UPMC, who he really liked.  it was convenient because I could just register him online when he wanted to go and there was usually only a few other goalies there.  Plus, the shooters were usually top notch.

As Wes said, Goalie coaches can really only help you with technique and do drills that try to simulate game situations.  In the end,  playing in games and analyzing plays with video is the best way to learn and identify where you need to improve or adjust how you read plays.  

Kenny Reiter was probably the best coach my son had when he was at NP.  He would help out with goalie training and was solid in everything he taught.  Not sure if he is still involved with coaching or not.

Don't overdo it - you don't want your kid to need hip surgery at 20.  Also, I think it's good idea to have several coaches throughout your career to soak in different philosophies.  My .02.  I could talk about goaltending for hours...

[dazedandconfused]

Yinz goalies are all NUTZ!!!

But nothing kills a season like a goaltending issue can.

Be thankful for the parents willing to take on exponential costs!!

[Nepotisim_anyone]

I agree. Film analysis is huge. Probably more important than anything but finding time for that and instruction is hard. Practices for teams don’t cut it as most coaches ignore their goalies. It’s a double edge sword 

[sarampage]

11 minutes ago, Nepotisim_anyone said:

I agree. Film analysis is huge. Probably more important than anything but finding time for that and instruction is hard. Practices for teams don’t cut it as most coaches ignore their goalies. It’s a double edge sword 

So true...many teams do very little to nothing for goalies, and finding time for lessons when your kid is playing amateur and school hockey while trying to also get him some needed rest is a next to impossible.

[Wes]

We funded all of our son the goalie training.  He turned out to be a really good amateur goalie. (he's done with hockey post college now)

not once in all his years did anyone evaluate his play in person.  and it is vert true if the goalie is solid the coaches mostly ignore them... on the other hand there's not much your average coach can do with goalies anyway.

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Edited October 8, 2024 by Wes

[bender05]

On 10/2/2024 at 2:23 PM, TeamRamRod said:

https://www.wtae.com/article/kyle-dirks-youth-hockey-couch-butler-iowa-sex-abuse/62485128

Yeah surprising Shane clifford didn’t make a statement or anything on their social media or sending out emails to clients saying anything. Friends on a 10u team at our organization heard about it in the lobby of the rink and had been told by their instructor at Shane clifford there was a family emergency and that’s why the cranberry instructor left. They don’t watch the news and couldn’t believe the company didn’t send anything out. 

[Tired Hockey Mom]

On 10/2/2024 at 3:23 PM, Wes said:

Here in 2024, now that my kids have graduated college, in hindsight I'd say both in person reviews and analysis of play along with video review of the same would be very beneficial to a goalie who is really interested in learning the position.

However, in my son's entire goalie career, and that was mostly at AA/AAA levels, not once did a goalie coach ever do an in-game review of his play.  There is so many more nuances to the position than just the drills you do with a goalie coach.  Don't get me wrong, those drills help by getting the technique down, but I'd think first hand analysis would be the best thing.

The ability to discuss specific scenarios with a goalie based on their real in game performance in my mind would really help goalies who are aspiring to be the best.

 

 

Have you ever asked coaches to do a game analysis? I have had coaches willing to do a video analysis of my son's game via zoom. We of course have paid them for their time. 

[nemesis8679]

13 hours ago, bender05 said:

Yeah surprising Shane clifford didn’t make a statement or anything on their social media or sending out emails to clients saying anything. Friends on a 10u team at our organization heard about it in the lobby of the rink and had been told by their instructor at Shane clifford there was a family emergency and that’s why the cranberry instructor left. They don’t watch the news and couldn’t believe the company didn’t send anything out. 

His comment to the news was that he no longer works for him. That was it.

[aaaahockey]

12 minutes ago, nemesis8679 said:

His comment to the news was that he no longer works for him. That was it.

What else would he say?  I'm sure he's as shocked as the rest of us. 

[nemesis8679]

Just now, aaaahockey said:

What else would he say?  I'm sure he's as shocked as the rest of us. 

No kidding. I was just replying to the guy who said he didn't make a statement, that yes, he did make one.

[aaaahockey]

Just now, nemesis8679 said:

No kidding. I was just replying to the guy who said he didn't make a statement, that yes, he did make one.

Yes I wasn't aiming that at you.  I was just saying that's about all you can say.  

[YardSale]

10 hours ago, aaaahockey said:

Yes I wasn't aiming that at you.  I was just saying that's about all you can say.  

He could address his plans to get clearances for his coaches seeing as most don't have them

[nemesis8679]

7 hours ago, YardSale said:

He could address his plans to get clearances for his coaches seeing as most don't have them

If that's true, then he should make sure they have them. He better hope nobody comes forward that was part of his training around here. Massive liability.

 

[dazedandconfused]

The locations should be the ones requiring him to have clearances for everyone as much as him for his own protection.